You are not your body. The body is dead when you are not in it. It is
alive only because you inhabit it. You are a spirit soul temporarily
inhabiting a human body. You are a spark of God, a child of God and ETERNAL
in nature. When your body dies, YOU DO NOT die. You pass from one body to
the next according to your karma from this and previous lives.

This is your opportunity to realize your position to the supreme person,
God. The human form is the only form capable of doing this. Use this time
to discover truth! Animals, insects, bacteria etc are not capable of doing
this. Use your time wisely. When you discover your tru nature and
restablish your relationship to God, you will feel complete bliss, complete
comfort, no stress, no anxiety, no worries of any kind. This is your true
nature! Your happiness will not depend on getting that better job, or the
new car, or the better school, or the nicer clothes, or the month long
vacation, of the bacon cheeseburger. You will find complete and total
satisfaction and HAPPINESS within! and eternally!

In your next birth, you may inhabit the body of a cow, a pig, a lamb, a
duck, a turtle, or a mosquito. This is a position of suffering. You have
no chance of realizing your real nature. You will be completely and
hopelessly stuch in illusion and you will suffer.

We must realize that the animals that we kill and eat for food are our
brothers and sisters. They are trapped in a miserable condition. The only
difference between them and us is the body that they inhabit. Would you eat
your brother if you knew that he was suffering? Of course not. These souls
in animal forms are no different.

snip ignorant spew from yet another vegan hypocrite that proves
that killing animals for his entertainment means nothing to him
as long as he can demonize those he thinks are killing animals
wrongly.

Hey fool, how do you explain those bloody hands of yours?

Please explain how I am hypocritical and how you can imply that killing
animals for entertainment means nothing to me.

Thanks.

"rick" > wrote in message
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>
>
>
> snip ignorant spew from yet another vegan hypocrite that proves that
> killing animals for his entertainment means nothing to him as long as he
> can demonize those he thinks are killing animals wrongly.
>
> Hey fool, how do you explain those bloody hands of yours?
>

"Anon" > wrote in message
...
> Please explain how I am hypocritical and how you can imply that
> killing animals for entertainment means nothing to me.
> =================================
Because you spew about killing animals to eat them only. It's
the typical vegan/AR ignorance of their own bloody footprints
they track all over the place. You have no 'need' to post to
usenet, you're here for entertainmnet. An entertainmnmet that
contributes to the death and suffering of millions upon millions
of animals needlessly. That you then leave them to rot does not
make their deaths any less real than the ones we kill and eat.


> Thanks.
>
> "rick" > wrote in message
> . net...
>>
>>
>>
>> snip ignorant spew from yet another vegan hypocrite that
>> proves that killing animals for his entertainment means
>> nothing to him as long as he can demonize those he thinks are
>> killing animals wrongly.
>>
>> Hey fool, how do you explain those bloody hands of yours?
>>
>
>

You said: You have no 'need' to post to
usenet

I say: Of course I have no need to post here. Apparently, you do.

Good day sir.


"rick" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> "Anon" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Please explain how I am hypocritical and how you can imply that killing
>> animals for entertainment means nothing to me.
>> =================================
> Because you spew about killing animals to eat them only. It's the typical
> vegan/AR ignorance of their own bloody footprints they track all over the
> place. You have no 'need' to post to usenet, you're here for
> entertainmnet. An entertainmnmet that contributes to the death and
> suffering of millions upon millions of animals needlessly. That you then
> leave them to rot does not make their deaths any less real than the ones
> we kill and eat.
>
>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> "rick" > wrote in message
>> . net...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> snip ignorant spew from yet another vegan hypocrite that proves that
>>> killing animals for his entertainment means nothing to him as long as he
>>> can demonize those he thinks are killing animals wrongly.
>>>
>>> Hey fool, how do you explain those bloody hands of yours?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Anon" > wrote in message
...
> You said: You have no 'need' to post to
> usenet
>
> I say: Of course I have no need to post here. Apparently, you
> do.
===================
No more than you. the difference is that I don't claim killing
animals to eat them is bad, you do.
You tell us that while contibuting to animal death and suffering.
Very cruel and brutal animal deaths.
Why is that? You just like blood on your hands or what? Just
like being a hypocrite? thanks for more proof of AR/vegan
idiocy, fool...



>
> Good day sir.
=====================
Run away now liitle one. You've been caught with your lys
exposed...


>
>
> "rick" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
>>
>> "Anon" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Please explain how I am hypocritical and how you can imply
>>> that killing animals for entertainment means nothing to me.
>>> =================================
>> Because you spew about killing animals to eat them only. It's
>> the typical vegan/AR ignorance of their own bloody footprints
>> they track all over the place. You have no 'need' to post to
>> usenet, you're here for entertainmnet. An entertainmnmet that
>> contributes to the death and suffering of millions upon
>> millions of animals needlessly. That you then leave them to
>> rot does not make their deaths any less real than the ones we
>> kill and eat.
>>
>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> "rick" > wrote in message
>>> . net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> snip ignorant spew from yet another vegan hypocrite that
>>>> proves that killing animals for his entertainment means
>>>> nothing to him as long as he can demonize those he thinks
>>>> are killing animals wrongly.
>>>>
>>>> Hey fool, how do you explain those bloody hands of yours?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Anon wrote:
> You are not your body. The body is dead when you are not in it. It is
> alive only because you inhabit it. You are a spirit soul temporarily
> inhabiting a human body. You are a spark of God, a child of God and ETERNAL
> in nature. When your body dies, YOU DO NOT die. You pass from one body to
> the next according to your karma from this and previous lives.
>
> This is your opportunity to realize your position to the supreme person,
> God. The human form is the only form capable of doing this. Use this time
> to discover truth! Animals, insects, bacteria etc are not capable of doing
> this. Use your time wisely. When you discover your tru nature and
> restablish your relationship to God, you will feel complete bliss, complete
> comfort, no stress, no anxiety, no worries of any kind. This is your true
> nature! Your happiness will not depend on getting that better job, or the
> new car, or the better school, or the nicer clothes, or the month long
> vacation, of the bacon cheeseburger. You will find complete and total
> satisfaction and HAPPINESS within! and eternally!
>
> In your next birth, you may inhabit the body of a cow, a pig, a lamb, a
> duck, a turtle, or a mosquito. This is a position of suffering. You have
> no chance of realizing your real nature. You will be completely and
> hopelessly stuch in illusion and you will suffer.
>
> We must realize that the animals that we kill and eat for food are our
> brothers and sisters. They are trapped in a miserable condition. The only
> difference between them and us is the body that they inhabit. Would you eat
> your brother if you knew that he was suffering? Of course not. These souls
> in animal forms are no different.

Why did this "God" create a world where one species eats another?
Would you want to worship something like that?

Thank you for the question.

God, not "this God" or "some God", but God, created this world and we as
spirit souls live in it. He gives us free will and we do what we please.
This is His gift to us because he loves us so much. We desire, above all,
to forget about Him. In this forgetfulness, we try to become the enjoyers
of our experiences. We try to become God like. We want to be independant
and in control which is impossible, but we try anyway because we aren't very
smart. God allows us to do this in order that we should come back to him
(BY OUR OWN FREE WILL) after we realize that we cannot derive happiness from
trying to do these things. Animals, are in even greater illusion because
they don't have the ability to realize their position in life. They do not
have the ability to question existence. We as people do, and we should.
Many people do not and that's to be expected. This is where we come to
forget.

Does that answer your question? If not please give me another chance.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Anon wrote:
>> You are not your body. The body is dead when you are not in it. It is
>> alive only because you inhabit it. You are a spirit soul temporarily
>> inhabiting a human body. You are a spark of God, a child of God and
>> ETERNAL
>> in nature. When your body dies, YOU DO NOT die. You pass from one body
>> to
>> the next according to your karma from this and previous lives.
>>
>> This is your opportunity to realize your position to the supreme person,
>> God. The human form is the only form capable of doing this. Use this
>> time
>> to discover truth! Animals, insects, bacteria etc are not capable of
>> doing
>> this. Use your time wisely. When you discover your tru nature and
>> restablish your relationship to God, you will feel complete bliss,
>> complete
>> comfort, no stress, no anxiety, no worries of any kind. This is your
>> true
>> nature! Your happiness will not depend on getting that better job, or
>> the
>> new car, or the better school, or the nicer clothes, or the month long
>> vacation, of the bacon cheeseburger. You will find complete and total
>> satisfaction and HAPPINESS within! and eternally!
>>
>> In your next birth, you may inhabit the body of a cow, a pig, a lamb, a
>> duck, a turtle, or a mosquito. This is a position of suffering. You
>> have
>> no chance of realizing your real nature. You will be completely and
>> hopelessly stuch in illusion and you will suffer.
>>
>> We must realize that the animals that we kill and eat for food are our
>> brothers and sisters. They are trapped in a miserable condition. The
>> only
>> difference between them and us is the body that they inhabit. Would you
>> eat
>> your brother if you knew that he was suffering? Of course not. These
>> souls
>> in animal forms are no different.
>
> Why did this "God" create a world where one species eats another?
> Would you want to worship something like that?
>

That was a good answer Anon - but why would God make a world where
animals suffer because of mankind's free will? How is that fair? Why
would an intelligent being make a world where one species eats another?
I suspect your answer will be that man is the "main player" in this
world and it's just tough luck for the others. I hope I am wrong.

In response to your questions.. I'll do my best to answer.

I would not say that man is the "main player".

The idea of reincarnation is as follows: We are not the body- not the human
body, and not the animal body. When my body dies, I will leave it behind
and either take on a new body (or if I succeed in resetablishing my
relationship with God I may not reincarnate). The body I take on, if I've
lived as an animal while in the human body, taht is, if I live simply to
eat, sleep, and have sex (only live to fulfil sense gratification) then I
will reincarnate into an animal body. I will not "become a duck" or a rat
or a bird or anything else. I'll just be trapped in taht body due to the
karma that I've created.

So, man (or woman or humankind) is not the "main player" in the larger
sense. We are all children of God.

The point is that we are not bodies, but spirit-souls and we are eternal.
Not only are we eternal, but in our natural state we are also blissful and
full of joy. It's only natural that we all look for happiness. It's our
original and natural conidtion. This is true even of those souls trapped in
the animal body (and those trapped in animal consciousness while in the
human body!). We are made from the same stuff and we are all equally God's
children.

We were all once loving servants of God, who realized our postion to Him.
We understood that happiness was a direct result of loving and serving Him.
Somehow, we have lost that connection and have decided that we wanted to try
to be the enjoyers and to become our own masters. We are like the
rebellious teenager and we think we know best for ourselves and so we decide
not to serve God.

We all try to become our own masters and everyone one of us has a different
idea of will make us happy (materially). If I ask you "what would you
really like to do with your life?" or "where do you want to be in 5 years?",
then you will have a different answer than the next person I ask. We all
have different ideas because we are individuals with different tastes.

Some people will live their lives as great hunters, some want only to live
by the beach, some want to use their intellect to gain materially, some love
the water. God gives us these animal bodies, I think, so that we can
completely forget about Him. In the human condition, we are constantly
reminded that there is a God, or we are constantly reminded that there isn't
a God (although there is!)- either way, we hear about God. This does not
happen to animals. No one reminds them of their true nature and even if
someone did they could not understand. They live entirely for their senses.

There is a very important point. That is that this life is suffering.
Being born (being away from God) is the cause of suffering. The further you
get, the more suffering there will be because there is less understanding.
But we must also remember that this is a CHOICE made by the individual
spirit soul to be away from God. If a child screams and yells and throws a
fit because it wants to touch the candle flame what can you do to persuade
it? If the child is persistant enoughm, there is nothing you can do except
let him figure it out for himself. So, God lets us incarnate into the body
which we think will give us the most pleasure. If all you want to do is eat
and have sex all day then why not be a pig?

So, this suffering that happens when one spirit soul decides to eat the
flesh of another is due to ignorance on both sides. These are choices that
we have made through past actions. God knows that they self, the spirit
soul is indestrucible. It cannot be killed or even effected in the
slightest by material suffering. He knows that our "death" does not harm
the real self.

I know that my thoughts are rather jumbled, but I hope that I've been able
to communicate what I intended to communicate. Please ask me to clarify
something if I haven't been clear.

Thank you.

I've tried my best not to insert my personal opinions here, but to only say
what I've been taught. If I've added anything of my own personal opinion,
it was unintentional. I intend to only give the information which has been
taught to me by my teachers.





> wrote in message
oups.com...
> That was a good answer Anon - but why would God make a world where
> animals suffer because of mankind's free will? How is that fair? Why
> would an intelligent being make a world where one species eats another?
> I suspect your answer will be that man is the "main player" in this
> world and it's just tough luck for the others. I hope I am wrong.
>

Many thanks. You must be a very spiritual person with a great faith.
May I ask which one, if any? In any case you are lucky to have it. I
hope you are right in what you believe. I wish I could believe it too,
but I can hope at least.

I've come in to this conversation very late and probably should stay out of
it but I never was one to use very good judgement, blaaahhhh. I have a
question. It is just below.

--
Wealth is in the imagination,
riches are in the heart and
magic resides in the soul.
"Anon" > wrote in message
...

> God, not "this God" or "some God", but God, created this world and we as
> spirit souls live in it. He gives us free will and we do what we please.
> This is His gift to us because he loves us so much. We desire, above all,
> to forget about Him. In this forgetfulness, we try to become the enjoyers
> of our experiences. We try to become God like. We want to be independant
> and in control which is impossible, but we try anyway because we aren't
very
> smart. God allows us to do this in order that we should come back to him
> (BY OUR OWN FREE WILL) after we realize that we cannot derive happiness
from
> trying to do these things.

Animals, are in even greater illusion because
> they don't have the ability to realize their position in life. They do
not
> have the ability to question existence.

What evedence of proof do you have that this is a factual statement?

We as people do, and we should.
> Many people do not and that's to be expected. This is where we come to
> forget.
>