On 03/04/2013 08:18 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
> scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
> tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
> bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
> breakfast.

Mushroom, tomatoes, and some bacon. That has promise. Thank you!

-T

But you need a fair amount of protein at breakfast IMO, that's why I
choose eggs. You could have chicken, beef, fish etc if you prefer. More
rather than less protein can sometimes prevent a spike if there are any
carbs in the meal.


"Todd" wrote in message ...

On 03/04/2013 08:18 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
> scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
> tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
> bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
> breakfast.

Mushroom, tomatoes, and some bacon. That has promise. Thank you!

-T

I forgot to add, sometimes I have tex mex steak. Cook a piece of steak,
spread it with salsa, top that with jalapenos (the sort you get in a jar
etc) and top with cheese, put under the grill/broiler.


"Ozgirl" wrote in message ...

But you need a fair amount of protein at breakfast IMO, that's why I
choose eggs. You could have chicken, beef, fish etc if you prefer. More
rather than less protein can sometimes prevent a spike if there are any
carbs in the meal.


"Todd" wrote in message ...

On 03/04/2013 08:18 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
> scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
> tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
> bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
> breakfast.

Mushroom, tomatoes, and some bacon. That has promise. Thank you!

-T

On 03/04/2013 09:55 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> I forgot to add, sometimes I have tex mex steak. Cook a piece of steak,
> spread it with salsa, top that with jalapenos (the sort you get in a jar
> etc) and top with cheese, put under the grill/broiler.

Now that just takes the cake. I am incensed. Totally outraged!
Outraged I tell you! Steak for breakfast! That just does it.
I am eating at your house from now on!

:-)

Love it!

Oh you know what? I just ordered a bottle of hot sauce from
Swanson ($3.49 with a additional 15% discount):

https://www.swansonvitamins.com/ariz...5-fl-oz-liquid

Eggs did not come to mind, but just maybe ...

Thank you for the recommendations!

-T

"Todd" > wrote in message
...
> On 03/04/2013 09:55 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>> I forgot to add, sometimes I have tex mex steak. Cook a piece of steak,
>> spread it with salsa, top that with jalapenos (the sort you get in a jar
>> etc) and top with cheese, put under the grill/broiler.
>
> Now that just takes the cake. I am incensed. Totally outraged!
> Outraged I tell you! Steak for breakfast! That just does it.
> I am eating at your house from now on!
>
> :-)
>
> Love it!
>
> Oh you know what? I just ordered a bottle of hot sauce from
> Swanson ($3.49 with a additional 15% discount):
>
> https://www.swansonvitamins.com/ariz...5-fl-oz-liquid
>
> Eggs did not come to mind, but just maybe ...
>
> Thank you for the recommendations!
>
> -T

I didn't know that Swanson sold hot sauce now! They are selling more and
more food.

We had neighbors who ate steak for breakfast every morning. The mother was
from some place in South America. Ecuador I think. They ate so many steaks
that they bought them in bulk. Both she and her daughter were very slim.
We went out for Mexican food with them once. Both of the girls had a kid's
meal but the mom ordered some kind of a big steak and gave each of the girls
a piece. They wolfed it right down. Angela seems to think that she doesn't
like steak but she sure seems to eat it well any time she gets it. I did
love it as a young child...like under the age of 12. Don't think I ate it
much at all after that. For some reason it would sit in my stomach like a
lead weight and make me feel unwell.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Todd" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 03/04/2013 09:55 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>>> I forgot to add, sometimes I have tex mex steak. Cook a piece of steak,
>>> spread it with salsa, top that with jalapenos (the sort you get in a jar
>>> etc) and top with cheese, put under the grill/broiler.
>>
>> Now that just takes the cake. I am incensed. Totally outraged!
>> Outraged I tell you! Steak for breakfast! That just does it.
>> I am eating at your house from now on!
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Love it!
>>
>> Oh you know what? I just ordered a bottle of hot sauce from
>> Swanson ($3.49 with a additional 15% discount):
>>
>> https://www.swansonvitamins.com/ariz...5-fl-oz-liquid
>>
>> Eggs did not come to mind, but just maybe ...
>>
>> Thank you for the recommendations!
>>
>> -T
>
> I didn't know that Swanson sold hot sauce now! They are selling more and
> more food.
>
> We had neighbors who ate steak for breakfast every morning. The mother
> was from some place in South America. Ecuador I think. They ate so many
> steaks that they bought them in bulk. Both she and her daughter were very
> slim. We went out for Mexican food with them once. Both of the girls had
> a kid's meal but the mom ordered some kind of a big steak and gave each of
> the girls a piece. They wolfed it right down. Angela seems to think that
> she doesn't like steak but she sure seems to eat it well any time she gets
> it. I did love it as a young child...like under the age of 12. Don't
> think I ate it much at all after that. For some reason it would sit in my
> stomach like a lead weight and make me feel unwell.
>
>

I remember spending the Summer on my girlfriends Grandfathers beef
ranch,Duncan AZ, we had steak and eggs almost every morning....if we didn't
want that, we got oatmeal ...I chose the steak and eggs Sometimes for
breakfast I will have scrambled eggs with turkey sausage crumbles added. Or
eggs and bacon.

On 03/05/2013 09:54 PM, Jacquie wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Todd" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 03/04/2013 09:55 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>>>> I forgot to add, sometimes I have tex mex steak. Cook a piece of steak,
>>>> spread it with salsa, top that with jalapenos (the sort you get in a
>>>> jar
>>>> etc) and top with cheese, put under the grill/broiler.
>>>
>>> Now that just takes the cake. I am incensed. Totally outraged!
>>> Outraged I tell you! Steak for breakfast! That just does it.
>>> I am eating at your house from now on!
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Love it!
>>>
>>> Oh you know what? I just ordered a bottle of hot sauce from
>>> Swanson ($3.49 with a additional 15% discount):
>>>
>>> https://www.swansonvitamins.com/ariz...5-fl-oz-liquid
>>>
>>>
>>> Eggs did not come to mind, but just maybe ...
>>>
>>> Thank you for the recommendations!
>>>
>>> -T
>>
>> I didn't know that Swanson sold hot sauce now! They are selling more
>> and more food.
>>
>> We had neighbors who ate steak for breakfast every morning. The
>> mother was from some place in South America. Ecuador I think. They
>> ate so many steaks that they bought them in bulk. Both she and her
>> daughter were very slim. We went out for Mexican food with them once.
>> Both of the girls had a kid's meal but the mom ordered some kind of a
>> big steak and gave each of the girls a piece. They wolfed it right
>> down. Angela seems to think that she doesn't like steak but she sure
>> seems to eat it well any time she gets it. I did love it as a young
>> child...like under the age of 12. Don't think I ate it much at all
>> after that. For some reason it would sit in my stomach like a lead
>> weight and make me feel unwell.
>>
>>
>
> I remember spending the Summer on my girlfriends Grandfathers beef
> ranch,Duncan AZ, we had steak and eggs almost every morning....if we
> didn't want that, we got oatmeal ...I chose the steak and eggs
> Sometimes for breakfast I will have scrambled eggs with turkey sausage
> crumbles added. Or eggs and bacon.
>
>

Man. I am going to have to learn how to cook eggs (again).

In article >, Todd >
wrote:

> Now that just takes the cake. I am incensed. Totally outraged!
> Outraged I tell you! Steak for breakfast! That just does it.

Steak and eggs is a classic American breakfast. Most of us can't afford
it anymore, though. I suspect it was a farm breakfast dish originally.

PP
--
"What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
- Chris Malcolm

On 03/11/2013 03:23 PM, Peppermint Patootie wrote:
> In article >, Todd >
> wrote:
>
>> Now that just takes the cake. I am incensed. Totally outraged!
>> Outraged I tell you! Steak for breakfast! That just does it.
>
> Steak and eggs is a classic American breakfast. Most of us can't afford
> it anymore, though. I suspect it was a farm breakfast dish originally.
>
> PP
>

Hi PP,

I wait till the natural Sirloin Tip roasts go on sale at Raley's.
Then have the butcher slice them up what is called "Bottom Sirloin
Steaks". Then freeze what I don't immediately use.

Helps the pocket book.

-T

On 03/04/2013 09:52 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> But you need a fair amount of protein at breakfast IMO, that's why I
> choose eggs. You could have chicken, beef, fish etc if you prefer. More
> rather than less protein can sometimes prevent a spike if there are any
> carbs in the meal.

Great advice. Thank you.

My overly helpful liver loves to do the "wakie wakie"
thing -- "rise and shiny you old ...".

I have been trying to eat something the second I roll out of
bed, even if it is just collage cheese. Did not help this
morning.

Maybe I should try eating a handful of nuts -- lots of
protein and fat.

I did this thing on Saturday with sliced ham where I put cheese
in the middle and fried it. My wife loved it, but I thought it
came out kind of gross. Called it Egg McNoMuffin.

I can only eat two soft boiled eggs at a time or I get
nauseated. (They are farm fresh organic eggs too! They
are VERY good.)

Any tricks to make eggs taste good or differently?

-T

On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:00:52 AM UTC-6, Todd wrote:
[snip]> Any tricks to make eggs taste good or differently?
>
> -T

One of my neighbors puts soy sauce on them. I crumble up bacon and put that on my scrambled eggs.

Have you thought of devilled eggs? How about omelets?

Robert Miles > wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:00:52 AM UTC-6, Todd wrote:
> [snip]> Any tricks to make eggs taste good or differently?

> One of my neighbors puts soy sauce on them. I crumble up bacon and put
> that on my scrambled eggs.
>
> Have you thought of devilled eggs? How about omelets?

I like my eggs sunnyside up, with the white denatured and the yolk liquid.
Served on a patty of hash brown potatoes, with a couple of pork sausages
and some Sriracha sauce. Heaven!

--
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families: https://semperfifund.org https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/
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"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Miles > wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:00:52 AM UTC-6, Todd wrote:
>> [snip]> Any tricks to make eggs taste good or differently?
>
>> One of my neighbors puts soy sauce on them. I crumble up bacon and put
>> that on my scrambled eggs.
>>
>> Have you thought of devilled eggs? How about omelets?
>
> I like my eggs sunnyside up, with the white denatured and the yolk liquid.
> Served on a patty of hash brown potatoes, with a couple of pork sausages
> and some Sriracha sauce. Heaven!
>
> --
> Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
> families: https://semperfifund.org https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/
> http://www.specialops.org/ http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ ~Semper Fi~
> http://www.woundedwarriors.ca/ http://www.legacy.com.au/ ~Semper Fi~
>

Hi Nick, I like mine over easy, I like turkey Sausage...tastes pretty close
to the real thing, and I don't have to hear hubby complain about fatty
sausage(He's not into fatty things to much)
I might have a few tater tots under my eggs, to I make a one or two egg
omelet with chopped ham, onion and cheese. I also add a bit of onion powder
....seems to perk up the eggs...I top the omelet with a tsp of no sugar
apricot jam...really yummy

On 03/05/2013 10:00 PM, Jacquie wrote:
> I like turkey Sausage

Brand?

On 03/04/2013 11:55 PM, Nick Cramer wrote:
> Sriracha sauce

Hmmm. Hot sauce. I have some coming. Can't wait.

Thank you!

-T

Potatoes? Are you non-insulin T2?

Todd > wrote:
> On 03/04/2013 11:55 PM, Nick Cramer wrote:
> > Sriracha sauce
>
> Hmmm. Hot sauce. I have some coming. Can't wait.
>
> Thank you!

Some are really good. Some real hot and not much flavor. Some too vinegary.

> Potatoes? Are you non-insulin T2?

I am. When my FBG is under 90 mg/dL, I'll have a little bit of carbs with
my brekkie.

--
Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
families: https://semperfifund.org https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/
http://www.specialops.org/ http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ ~Semper Fi~
http://www.woundedwarriors.ca/ http://www.legacy.com.au/ ~Semper Fi~

On 03/04/2013 11:36 PM, Robert Miles wrote:
> Have you thought of devilled eggs? How about omelets?

That is an idea. Do you have any favorite recipes/formulas?

In article >,
"Ozgirl" > wrote:

> But you need a fair amount of protein at breakfast IMO, that's why I
> choose eggs. You could have chicken, beef, fish etc if you prefer. More
> rather than less protein can sometimes prevent a spike if there are any
> carbs in the meal.
>
>
> "Todd" wrote in message ...
>
> On 03/04/2013 08:18 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> > Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
> > scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
> > tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
> > bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
> > breakfast.
>
> Mushroom, tomatoes, and some bacon. That has promise. Thank you!
>
> -T

I thought bacon, and lunch meats were all on nutritionist's hit lists.

Caught in the middle again. February 13, 2013, A new study from the
University of Oxford finds vegetarians live longer than people who eat
meat or fish.

Researchers followed 45,000 adults for nearly 20 years, and found that
vegetarians had a 30 percent lower risk for heart disease.

They say vegetarians had lower blood pressure and cholesterol than those
who ate meat, which could be contributing to their reduced risk for
heart problems.

Doctors say cutting the amount of salt in the American diet could save
hundreds of millions of lives. (heart failure)

And then there is Dr. Mario Martinez, who says that there are no 100
year old Vegans.

What's a boy supposed to do?

Oy.

--
Welcome to the New America.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg>
or
E Pluribus Unum
Next time vote Green Party

"Billy" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>
>> But you need a fair amount of protein at breakfast IMO, that's why I
>> choose eggs. You could have chicken, beef, fish etc if you prefer. More
>> rather than less protein can sometimes prevent a spike if there are any
>> carbs in the meal.
>>
>>
>> "Todd" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 03/04/2013 08:18 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>> > Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
>> > scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
>> > tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
>> > bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
>> > breakfast.
>>
>> Mushroom, tomatoes, and some bacon. That has promise. Thank you!
>>
>> -T
>
> I thought bacon, and lunch meats were all on nutritionist's hit lists.

Who cares? Anyone can call themself a nutritionist. I eat bacon. Not a
lot of it and not often. Occasionally I eat sliced turkey but I don't
really like it that much. That's it for me and the lunch meat. Mostly its
the nitrates that you need to watch out for.
>
> Caught in the middle again. February 13, 2013, A new study from the
> University of Oxford finds vegetarians live longer than people who eat
> meat or fish.

Could be.
>
> Researchers followed 45,000 adults for nearly 20 years, and found that
> vegetarians had a 30 percent lower risk for heart disease.

Could be.
>
> They say vegetarians had lower blood pressure and cholesterol than those
> who ate meat, which could be contributing to their reduced risk for
> heart problems.
>
I must be the odd one out then. Got high BP at about age 25 and high
cholesterol by about age 35. I was a vegetarian.

> Doctors say cutting the amount of salt in the American diet could save
> hundreds of millions of lives. (heart failure)

Which Drs. say that?
>
> And then there is Dr. Mario Martinez, who says that there are no 100
> year old Vegans.

Dunno. Never heard of him. But he's wrong.

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc...18&pst=1441656
>
> What's a boy supposed to do?
>
> Oy.
>
> --
> Welcome to the New America.
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg>
> or
> E Pluribus Unum
> Next time vote Green Party
>

On 03/13/2013 12:39 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> I must be the odd one out then. Got high BP at about age 25 and high
> cholesterol by about age 35. I was a vegetarian.

Hi Julie,

Not odd. The cholesterol thing is pure Bull S---. Take a look
at the following:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/23/6/847.full.pdf

And, where it all started:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=xbFQc2kxm9c

Your liver creates what cholesterol you need. And every cell in your
body needs it. And, EVERY hormone (read insulin) uses it as a
precursor.

-T

"Todd" > wrote in message
...
> On 03/13/2013 12:39 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I must be the odd one out then. Got high BP at about age 25 and high
>> cholesterol by about age 35. I was a vegetarian.
>
> Hi Julie,
>
> Not odd. The cholesterol thing is pure Bull S---. Take a look
> at the following:
>
> http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/23/6/847.full.pdf

I don't know what that link has to do with anything. I did have high
cholesterol but when I quit smoking, I no longer did.
>
> And, where it all started:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=xbFQc2kxm9c

Sorry. Not into videos.
>
> Your liver creates what cholesterol you need. And every cell in your
> body needs it. And, EVERY hormone (read insulin) uses it as a
> precursor.

I didn't say that the body didn't need it.

On 03/13/2013 02:08 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Todd" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 03/13/2013 12:39 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> I must be the odd one out then. Got high BP at about age 25 and high
>>> cholesterol by about age 35. I was a vegetarian.
>>
>> Hi Julie,
>>
>> Not odd. The cholesterol thing is pure Bull S---. Take a look
>> at the following:
>>
>> http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/23/6/847.full.pdf
>
> I don't know what that link has to do with anything. I did have high
> cholesterol but when I quit smoking, I no longer did.

That is because you did not read the link. No problem: no one
likes to be given a homework assignment.

I will summarize for you. The study was posted in the American
Heart Association's journal called Circulation. It is an "autopsy
study" on "Serum Cholesterol and Atherosclerosis in Man". Here is the
conclusion:

No correlation could be observed between the serum
cholesterol level and the amount and severity of
atheroselerosis in the arteries.

In other words, cholesterol and atherosclerosis is pure Bull S---.
And there are lots of other autopsy study with the same conclusion.

>>
>> And, where it all started:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=xbFQc2kxm9c
>
> Sorry. Not into videos.

Oh my goodness, you missed a good one. It is Senator McGovern
jumping chiming in to criticism of their being no evidence:

I can only argue that as I senator I do not have the
luxury that a research scientist has to wait for every last
shread of evidence to come in.

These wasn't and isn't any at all. This is of interest to me as
I wonder a lot if this monkey shine is not being pulled
on diabetics. (So far as I can tell, things are legitimate.
Although, I think a lot of the diabetes drugs will end their
life cycles in class action suites.) Statin-induced rhabdomyolysis
is a nasty way to die.


>>
>> Your liver creates what cholesterol you need. And every cell in your
>> body needs it. And, EVERY hormone (read insulin) uses it as a
>> precursor.
>
> I didn't say that the body didn't need it.

Lowering it is dangerous. Would you like a research article
on how cholesterol is actually protective against atherosclerosis?

-T

On 03/12/2013 11:38 PM, Billy wrote:
> In article >,
> "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>
>> But you need a fair amount of protein at breakfast IMO, that's why I
>> choose eggs. You could have chicken, beef, fish etc if you prefer. More
>> rather than less protein can sometimes prevent a spike if there are any
>> carbs in the meal.
>>
>>
>> "Todd" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 03/04/2013 08:18 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>>> Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
>>> scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
>>> tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
>>> bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
>>> breakfast.
>>
>> Mushroom, tomatoes, and some bacon. That has promise. Thank you!
>>
>> -T
>
> I thought bacon, and lunch meats were all on nutritionist's hit lists.
>
> Caught in the middle again. February 13, 2013, A new study from the
> University of Oxford finds vegetarians live longer than people who eat
> meat or fish.
>
> Researchers followed 45,000 adults for nearly 20 years, and found that
> vegetarians had a 30 percent lower risk for heart disease.
>
> They say vegetarians had lower blood pressure and cholesterol than those
> who ate meat, which could be contributing to their reduced risk for
> heart problems.
>
> Doctors say cutting the amount of salt in the American diet could save
> hundreds of millions of lives. (heart failure)
>
> And then there is Dr. Mario Martinez, who says that there are no 100
> year old Vegans.
>
> What's a boy supposed to do?
>
> Oy.
>


Hi Billy,

If this was correct, we would not have whole populations of
humans living on this planet that eat zero vegi's and zero fruit.
(Google the Inuit Enigma). Also they eat zero carbs. And they
have no diabetes, no heart disease, no cancer, and no "white man's
diseases".

And, bear in mind that everything they eat is wild caught. Nothing
comes from a disgusting stock yard. No hormones, antibiotics,
pesticides, weed killers, not covered in their own poop, yada,
yada, yada.

If the study is legit and not just political correctness, the
what is "in" the meat that is harming folks needs to be researched.

In my opinion, buy organic and CSA (community supported
agriculture) whenever possible. And find a friend that hunts.

I have a customer that got a moose the year before and it was
more than his family could eat. What a treat! An elk the year
before that. (I hate venison.)

-T

In article >, Todd >
wrote:

> On 03/12/2013 11:38 PM, Billy wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Ozgirl" > wrote:
> >
> >> But you need a fair amount of protein at breakfast IMO, that's why I
> >> choose eggs. You could have chicken, beef, fish etc if you prefer. More
> >> rather than less protein can sometimes prevent a spike if there are any
> >> carbs in the meal.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Todd" wrote in message ...
> >>
> >> On 03/04/2013 08:18 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> >>> Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
> >>> scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
> >>> tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
> >>> bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
> >>> breakfast.
> >>
> >> Mushroom, tomatoes, and some bacon. That has promise. Thank you!
> >>
> >> -T
> >
> > I thought bacon, and lunch meats were all on nutritionist's hit lists.
> >
> > Caught in the middle again. February 13, 2013, A new study from the
> > University of Oxford finds vegetarians live longer than people who eat
> > meat or fish.
> >
> > Researchers followed 45,000 adults for nearly 20 years, and found that
> > vegetarians had a 30 percent lower risk for heart disease.
> >
> > They say vegetarians had lower blood pressure and cholesterol than those
> > who ate meat, which could be contributing to their reduced risk for
> > heart problems.
> >
> > Doctors say cutting the amount of salt in the American diet could save
> > hundreds of millions of lives. (heart failure)
> >
> > And then there is Dr. Mario Martinez, who says that there are no 100
> > year old Vegans.

And now,
³A common assumption is that the rise in levels of atherosclerosis is
predominantly lifestyle-related, and that if modern humans could emulate
pre-industrial or even pre-agricultural lifestyles, that
atherosclerosis, or at least its clinical manifestations, would be
avoided,² Thompson added.

³Our findings seem to cast doubt on that assumption, and at the very
least, we think they suggest that our understanding of the causes of
atherosclerosis is incomplete, and that it might be somehow inherent to
the process of human aging.²
<http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...study-shows-cl
ogged-arteries-are-nothing-new?lite>
> >
Bummer!
Seems nature just wants us out of here so that the next possible set of
adaptations can try their tricks.

> > What's a boy supposed to do?
> >
Oy.
> >
>
>
> Hi Billy,
>
> If this was correct,

If what was correct?

> we would not have whole populations of
> humans living on this planet that eat zero vegi's and zero fruit.

How did we get here from no lunch meat, and not Vegan?

> (Google the Inuit Enigma).
> Also they eat zero carbs. And they
> have no diabetes, no heart disease, no cancer, and no "white man's
> diseases".
Do areas still exist without trading posts (white bread, canned
sausage, booze)?
Yes, meat needs to be eaten raw to preserve its vitamin C, but
do the Inuits have greater longevity? I'm sure this is a nature/nurture
thing, and as usual there isn't anything to be done about nature, so we
are left with nurturing longevity.

>
> And, bear in mind that everything they eat is wild caught. Nothing
> comes from a disgusting stock yard. No hormones, antibiotics,
> pesticides, weed killers, not covered in their own poop, yada,
> yada, yada.
>
> If the study is legit and not just political correctness, the
> what is "in" the meat that is harming folks needs to be researched.

As Pollan said (and I paraphrase), "Eat mostly plants, stay out of the
middle of supermarkets, and don't eat anything your grandmother wouldn't
recognize as food."
>
> In my opinion, buy organic and CSA (community supported
> agriculture) whenever possible. And find a friend that hunts.

Or grow a garden, and buy organic.
>
> I have a customer that got a moose the year before and it was
> more than his family could eat. What a treat! An elk the year
> before that. (I hate venison.)
>
> -T

Sadly, I still, occasionally, get the lust for salami.

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On 03/13/2013 11:22 AM, Billy wrote:
>> Also they eat zero carbs. And they
>> have no diabetes, no heart disease, no cancer, and no "white man's
>> diseases".

> Do areas still exist without trading posts (white bread, canned
> sausage, booze)?
> Yes, meat needs to be eaten raw to preserve its vitamin C, but
> do the Inuits have greater longevity? I'm sure this is a nature/nurture
> thing, and as usual there isn't anything to be done about nature, so we
> are left with nurturing longevity.

Great point. When the trading posts came, things went to hell.

Here is a good article on it:
http://www.theiflife.com/the-inuit-p...se-and-cancer/

From the article:
Summing Up

Ok….got all that? Whew….Yes I know alot to read….but loads
important points. Let’s summarize:

The Inuit ate a diet high in meat and fat, low in fruits and
vegetables and still had low rates of heart disease and cancer
(sadly only recently when more modernization came to them in the
form of convenience stores, soda and other processed foods did you
see the illnesses start to increase. Once sugar came to them….
things went sour)

Their meat they ate was completely different from the meat you are
eating. Theirs was wild, fresh, sometimes raw, seal and other animals
that you are probably not going to eat. Not to mention they also ate
the organ meats, which again….most people are not going to do. Because
the animals were wild they were also not fed grains, contained good
amounts of Omega 3s and low amounts of Omega 6s…the opposite of
modern meats.


So I would say, it's is what is in the meat.

Think about the vegetarian lifestyle. If you go purely
vegetarian, the lack of animal nutrition will kill you.
(vitamin B12, etc.). This is not a more healthy anything.

In the third world it is not an issue as vegetarians get
their animal nutrition from all the bugs and bug eggs
in their grains. Also, a lot of them eat figs, which
are extremely high in animal nutrition (if you like and
can still eat figs, don't look at the internals of
a fig under a microscope).

In the west, very few vegetarians are actually true
vegetarians. I have made a habit of asking them
and almost all of them eat fish, eggs, milks and so
forth. Had an interesting conversation with one who
said she would not eat anything with a face. In other
words, nothing cuter than she was. She ate fish and
chicken. Ahem. Both have faces and I think chickens
are quite a bit cuter than she was. They are
also hysterical. (Don't get me started on how pretty
trout are.) With her, it was all about condescending.
What an idiot. I guess she cuts her fish heads off
so they can't stare up at her from her plate and
ask "why?"

Complete vegetarians, which are vary rare, get
very sick eventually. Brain damage and all from
lack of B12, etc.. The one true vegetarian I
have know, got so sick, her doctor told her
to either add a bit of chicken to her diet or
she was going to die. She did and recovered.
She was a really sweet lady too: no condescending
at all. I am glad she recovered.

So, if the study you cite is actually legitimate and
not vegetarian propaganda (pure vegetarian will kill
you where pure meat will not), than I do believe it
is what is in the meat, not the meat itself. We
are not carrion eaters. That is for vultures and ants.
If it moves, it is food. If it doesn't, step over it.
As a society, we eat some pretty discussing meat.

I would also posit that vegetarians tend to eat more
organic stuff than the general population. (Even if
they are not really true vegetarians.) They tend
to be more health conscientious.

>> In my opinion, buy organic and CSA (community supported
>> >agriculture) whenever possible. And find a friend that hunts.

> Or grow a garden, and buy organic.

1+

I suck as a farmer. I will try again this year.

>> >
>> > I have a customer that got a moose the year before and it was
>> >more than his family could eat. What a treat! An elk the year
>> >before that. (I hate venison.)
>> >
>> >-T

> Sadly, I still, occasionally, get the lust for salami.

The hunter I mentioned has his own salami maker. He made
up a bunch of moose salami last year. It was *insanely good*.
No chemicals either. Smokes with with real wood or something,
I don't remember the exact process. He is thinking of going
for an elk this year.

Maybe you could look into your own salami maker?

I am babbling, aren't I?

-T

In article >, Todd >
wrote:

> On 03/13/2013 11:22 AM, Billy wrote:
> >> Also they eat zero carbs. And they
> >> have no diabetes, no heart disease, no cancer, and no "white man's
> >> diseases".
>
> > Do areas still exist without trading posts (white bread, canned
> > sausage, booze)?
> > Yes, meat needs to be eaten raw to preserve its vitamin C, but
> > do the Inuits have greater longevity? I'm sure this is a nature/nurture
> > thing, and as usual there isn't anything to be done about nature, so we
> > are left with nurturing longevity.
>
> Great point. When the trading posts came, things went to hell.
>
> Here is a good article on it:
> http://www.theiflife.com/the-inuit-p...disease-and-ca
> ncer/
>
> From the article:
> Summing Up
>
> OkŠ.got all that? WhewŠ.Yes I know alot to readŠ.but loads
> important points. Let¹s summarize:
>
> The Inuit ate a diet high in meat and fat, low in fruits and
> vegetables and still had low rates of heart disease and cancer
> (sadly only recently when more modernization came to them in the
> form of convenience stores, soda and other processed foods did you
> see the illnesses start to increase. Once sugar came to themŠ.
> things went sour)
>
> Their meat they ate was completely different from the meat you are
> eating. Theirs was wild, fresh, sometimes raw, seal and other animals
> that you are probably not going to eat. Not to mention they also ate
> the organ meats, which againŠ.most people are not going to do. Because
> the animals were wild they were also not fed grains, contained good
> amounts of Omega 3s and low amounts of Omega 6sŠthe opposite of
> modern meats.
>
>
> So I would say, it's is what is in the meat.
>
> Think about the vegetarian lifestyle. If you go purely
> vegetarian, the lack of animal nutrition will kill you.
> (vitamin B12, etc.). This is not a more healthy anything.
>
> In the third world it is not an issue as vegetarians get
> their animal nutrition from all the bugs and bug eggs
> in their grains. Also, a lot of them eat figs, which
> are extremely high in animal nutrition (if you like and
> can still eat figs, don't look at the internals of
> a fig under a microscope).
>
> In the west, very few vegetarians are actually true
> vegetarians. I have made a habit of asking them
> and almost all of them eat fish, eggs, milks and so
> forth. Had an interesting conversation with one who
> said she would not eat anything with a face. In other
> words, nothing cuter than she was. She ate fish and
> chicken. Ahem. Both have faces and I think chickens
> are quite a bit cuter than she was. They are
> also hysterical. (Don't get me started on how pretty
> trout are.) With her, it was all about condescending.
> What an idiot. I guess she cuts her fish heads off
> so they can't stare up at her from her plate and
> ask "why?"
>
> Complete vegetarians, which are vary rare, get
> very sick eventually. Brain damage and all from
> lack of B12, etc.. The one true vegetarian I
> have know, got so sick, her doctor told her
> to either add a bit of chicken to her diet or
> she was going to die. She did and recovered.
> She was a really sweet lady too: no condescending
> at all. I am glad she recovered.
>
> So, if the study you cite is actually legitimate and

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677008/>

> not vegetarian propaganda (pure vegetarian will kill
> you where pure meat will not),
A bit of an overstatement, B1 can be supplemented, or yeast can be added
to diet. Protein matching (corn & rice), or Quinoa can give essential
amino acids, and chocolate is a good source of tryptophan.

But,

Somewhere between 30 and 50 percent of the girls and women seeking
treatment for anorexia and bulimia are vegetarian. About a third of
the patients at the eating disorders program at Bloomington Hospital in
Bloomington, Indiana, are vegetarian. At the Harvard Eating Disorder
Clinic it's the same. Sheri Weitz, a nutrition therapist for the Radder
Institute in Los Angeles has fully half her clients identifying as
vegetarian.

The vegetarian women and girls who turn up at eating disorder
clinics in such huge numbers didn't start as anorexics who just hap-
pened to choose a vegetarian diet. It was the other way around. They
started by choosing vegetarianism, and the lack of tryptophan trig-
gered an eating disorder. Zinc deficiency also plays a role in mood dis-
orders and obsessive compulsive behavior, including eating disorders.
And a zinc deficiency is easy to court as a vegetarian.

And dieting produces its own biochemistry. Specifically, the lack
of tryptophan, zinc, and niacin can trigger a full-blown eating disor-
der. Adolescents are most vulnerable because their bodies and brains
are still growing and have higher nutritional needs. Julia Ross has
treated teenage girls who became anorexic while on their very first
diet. The precipitating incident is, essentially, living in this female-
hating culture. What begins as simple dieting ends in an addictive
cycle of either binging and purging or plain starvation.

p. 230 - 31
The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability by Lierre Keith
<http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myt...ability/dp/160
4860804/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1281718588&sr=1-1>
(Available at better libraries near you)

> than I do believe it
> is what is in the meat, not the meat itself. We
> are not carrion eaters. That is for vultures and ants.
> If it moves, it is food. If it doesn't, step over it.
> As a society, we eat some pretty discussing meat.
>
> I would also posit that vegetarians tend to eat more
> organic stuff than the general population. (Even if
> they are not really true vegetarians.) They tend
> to be more health conscientious.
>
> >> In my opinion, buy organic and CSA (community supported
> >> >agriculture) whenever possible. And find a friend that hunts.
>
> > Or grow a garden, and buy organic.
>
> 1+
>
> I suck as a farmer. I will try again this year.
>
> >> >
> >> > I have a customer that got a moose the year before and it was
> >> >more than his family could eat. What a treat! An elk the year
> >> >before that. (I hate venison.)
> >> >
> >> >-T
>
> > Sadly, I still, occasionally, get the lust for salami.
>
> The hunter I mentioned has his own salami maker. He made
> up a bunch of moose salami last year. It was *insanely good*.
> No chemicals either. Smokes with with real wood or something,
> I don't remember the exact process. He is thinking of going
> for an elk this year.
>
> Maybe you could look into your own salami maker?
Thanks, but I usually avoid it.

>
> I am babbling, aren't I?
>
> -T

--
Welcome to the New America.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg>
or
E Pluribus Unum
Next time vote Green Party

In article >, Todd >
wrote:

> In my opinion, buy organic and CSA (community supported
> agriculture) whenever possible. And find a friend that hunts.
>
> I have a customer that got a moose the year before and it was
> more than his family could eat. What a treat! An elk the year
> before that. (I hate venison.)

My version of this is to have an organic vegetable garden and to buy
organic vegetables, free-range organic eggs, and free-range grass fed
meat (domestic and wild) as much as possible. I also cook a lot, rarely
if ever buy processed food, and don't eat out much.

PP
--
"What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
- Chris Malcolm

On 03/18/2013 09:52 AM, Peppermint Patootie wrote:
> In article >, Todd >
> wrote:
>
>> In my opinion, buy organic and CSA (community supported
>> agriculture) whenever possible. And find a friend that hunts.
>>
>> I have a customer that got a moose the year before and it was
>> more than his family could eat. What a treat! An elk the year
>> before that. (I hate venison.)
>
> My version of this is to have an organic vegetable garden and to buy
> organic vegetables, free-range organic eggs, and free-range grass fed
> meat (domestic and wild) as much as possible. I also cook a lot, rarely
> if ever buy processed food, and don't eat out much.
>
> PP
>

Hi Peppermint,

100% agree.

Processed food will be the death of us all. Not real food,
but food like substances.

I stink as a farmer. But, that does not stop me from trying.
I was turning my soil over to kill the encroaching grass
in my organic garden last week. The soil looked and felt
better than I remember. So things are looking up.

I am so looking forward to fresh picked zucchini! Winter
is driving me nuts.

-T

In article >, Todd >
wrote:

>
> I stink as a farmer. But, that does not stop me from trying.
> I was turning my soil over to kill the encroaching grass
> in my organic garden last week. The soil looked and felt
> better than I remember. So things are looking up.
>
> I am so looking forward to fresh picked zucchini! Winter
> is driving me nuts.

I started seeds on 3/17: 14 varieties of tomatoes, and a bunch of
flowers. There will be more veggies started later, and many which are
directly sown in the soil once it's warm enough.

Spring is coming very late to the Boston area. I really need the feel
of sun on my head and soil on my hands.

PP
--
"What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
- Chris Malcolm