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"Cheri" > wrote:
> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
> > "Cheri" > wrote:
> >> "KROM" > wrote in message
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=42oUVwyFsZI
> >> >
> >> > really paula?...really?..and I thought the doughnut as a burger bun
> >> > was bad..
> >
> >> So, did you try one? LOL Personally, it looks awful to me. I love
> >> watching her, but it's up to me to NOT eat the things that any of
> >> those cooks come up with that don't work for me, including Ina at
> >> times. :-)
> >
> > Ina? As far as I'm concerned, she's so stuck up that she thinks her
> > excrement isn't maloderous. Some dying eight or ten year old kid on
> > Make-A-Wish Foundation said that before he died, he wanted to cook with
> > Ima. Well, I guess he wasn't cute (good looking) enough, so she was too
> > busy and had to turn him down. Make-A-Wish Foundation applied again.
> > Same result. I don't watch her anymore.
>
> I love Ina. Her laid back way of cooking, no frenzy etc., is soothing.
> She and Jeffrey don't have children so she might not be comfortable with
> children she doesn't know. I think it's a bit over the top for you to
> even suggest that the kid might not have been "cute enough" since you're
> speculating about something that you have no inside knowledge about.

Cheri, You might note that the first sentence in my entire post began with,
"As far as I'm concerned." Secondly, my 'suggestion' about the kid not
being cute enough was preceded by "I guess."

BTW I have seen the kid in question. He's NOT cute! But he is a human being
and he's a kid who's dying.

Finally, I stay my hand with regard to you thinking what I said was over
the top.

--
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families: https://semperfifund.org https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/
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"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
> > "Cheri" > wrote:
> >> "KROM" > wrote in message
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=42oUVwyFsZI
> >> >
> >> > really paula?...really?..and I thought the doughnut as a burger bun
> >> > was bad..
> >
> >> So, did you try one? LOL Personally, it looks awful to me. I love
> >> watching her, but it's up to me to NOT eat the things that any of
> >> those cooks come up with that don't work for me, including Ina at
> >> times. :-)
> >
> > Ina? As far as I'm concerned, she's so stuck up that she thinks her
> > excrement isn't maloderous. Some dying eight or ten year old kid on
> > Make-A-Wish Foundation said that before he died, he wanted to cook with
> > Ima. Well, I guess he wasn't cute (good looking) enough, so she was too
> > busy and had to turn him down. Make-A-Wish Foundation applied again.
> > Same result. I don't watch her anymore.
>
> I can't stand to watch Ina. Although her food looks good she has such a
> monotone voice and for some weird reason she is always inviting people
> over to eat.

But her house is so immaculate! Hre talble is always set so beatifully! And
her wines are always perfect! I haven't watched her since the
abovementioned incident.

> I like the Neely's! I know some people can't stand them but they seem
> real to me.

I like them, too.

--
Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
families: https://semperfifund.org https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/
http://www.specialops.org/ http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ ~Semper Fi~
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"Ozgirl" > wrote:
> "Susan" > wrote in message
> > On 1/18/2012 1:08 PM, Cheri wrote:
> >
> >> I love Ina. Her laid back way of cooking, no frenzy etc., is
> >> soothing.
> >> She and Jeffrey don't have children so she might not be comfortable
> >> with
> >> children she doesn't know. I think it's a bit over the top for you to
> >> even suggest that the kid might not have been "cute enough" since
> >> you're
> >> speculating about something that you have no inside knowledge about.
> >
> > IIRC, the request wasn't directly denied by Ina, it was a scheduling
> > decision made by staffers before it got to her attention, which is
> > typically how this stuff works with famous folks who get gadzillion
> > such requests constantly and whose calendars are filled a year in
> > advance.

The kid shoud die wishing for something. Builds character!

> > It was a very poor PR move by whomever the decision maker was, but not
> > necessarily reflective in any way of Ina's attitude toward anything.
>
> Surely the Ina person can over-ride her staff's decisions?
>
> > And the child's mother's behavior was really out of line, if you ask
> > me.

If he was my kid, my behavior would have really been 'over the top'!

--
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families: https://semperfifund.org https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/
http://www.specialops.org/ http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ ~Semper Fi~
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"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>> "Susan" > wrote in message
>> > On 1/18/2012 1:08 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> >
>> >> I love Ina. Her laid back way of cooking, no frenzy etc., is
>> >> soothing.
>> >> She and Jeffrey don't have children so she might not be
>> >> comfortable
>> >> with
>> >> children she doesn't know. I think it's a bit over the top for you
>> >> to
>> >> even suggest that the kid might not have been "cute enough" since
>> >> you're
>> >> speculating about something that you have no inside knowledge
>> >> about.
>> >
>> > IIRC, the request wasn't directly denied by Ina, it was a
>> > scheduling
>> > decision made by staffers before it got to her attention, which is
>> > typically how this stuff works with famous folks who get gadzillion
>> > such requests constantly and whose calendars are filled a year in
>> > advance.
>
> The kid shoud die wishing for something. Builds character!
>
>> > It was a very poor PR move by whomever the decision maker was, but
>> > not
>> > necessarily reflective in any way of Ina's attitude toward
>> > anything.
>>
>> Surely the Ina person can over-ride her staff's decisions?
>>
>> > And the child's mother's behavior was really out of line, if you
>> > ask
>> > me.
>
> If he was my kid, my behavior would have really been 'over the top'!

And its not like every dying kid has a big wish to cook alongside Ina,
so I doubt there would be a rush. There are some things you can't really
make excuses about.

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Julie Bove > wrote:


: Hmmm... I've never seen ice cream in a Chinese place. But I have seen it
: in a Mexican place in CA.

When I was young every Chinese restaurant had ice cream for dessert. They
were the only place you coul dget pistachio ice cream, which was a big
favorite in my family. fun, because it was green.

Wendy

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Ozgirl > wrote:


: "Jacquie" > wrote in message
: m...
: >
: > "Cheri" > wrote in message
: > ...
: >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
: >> ...
: >>>
: >>> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
: >>> ...
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
: >>>> ...
: >>>>>
: >>>>> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
: >>>>> ...
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> "KROM" > wrote in message
: >>>>>> ...
: >>>>>>> bleh...I have never been a bread on bread guy..
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> so the thought of wrapping a dessert with a crust in a won ton
: >>>>>>> wrapper is not my cup o sweet tea..lol
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> I also never got why restaurants served toast along with
: >>>>>>> pancakes or waffles..lol
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> I like fried ice cream though. Don't fancy tried a fried
: >>>>>> cheesecake though.
: >>>>>
: >>>>> I had "fried" ice cream once and it was a no go. I now know it
: >>>>> isn't fried at all. Just wrapped in corn flakes. Don't know how
: >>>>> they can get away with calling it fried.
: >>>>
: >>>> Here, it is ice cream in batter. Cooked very quickly at high heat
: >>>> so the ice cream doesn't have a chance to melt. Chinese restaurants
: >>>> sell it.
: >>>
: >>> Mexican here.
: >>
: >> And Chinese in CA.
: >>
: >> Cheri
: >>
: > Mexican Fried ice cream is usually made with cereal flakes or cookie
: > crumbs...Chinese Fried ice cream is usually made with a batter...I've
: > never had the Chinese ones but they sure sound good :)

: Dusted with powdered sugar, with caramel sauce and whipped cream... Now
: I have a major craving and not every Chinese restaurant does these, lol.

Oh my Gosh!
this souncd like something Paula Deen would make? Well back to square 1
;-)

Wendy

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"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
>
> : Hmmm... I've never seen ice cream in a Chinese place. But I have seen
> it
> : in a Mexican place in CA.
>
> When I was young every Chinese restaurant had ice cream for dessert. They
> were the only place you coul dget pistachio ice cream, which was a big
> favorite in my family. fun, because it was green.
>
> Wendy

We're talking about fried ice cream. :-)

Cheri

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fried ice cream usually replaces the cone so wouldn’t be the same ..now had
they taken fried ice cream and put it on a cone..battered and deep fried
that and then doused in powdered sugar...then you have a paula dean
recipe..lol

KROM


"Ozgirl" wrote in message ...



"KROM" > wrote in message
...
> bleh...I have never been a bread on bread guy..
>
> so the thought of wrapping a dessert with a crust in a won ton wrapper is
> not my cup o sweet tea..lol
>
> I also never got why restaurants served toast along with pancakes or
> waffles..lol

I like fried ice cream though. Don't fancy tried a fried cheesecake
though.

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lol..yes..soo many chefs have that look...that or the full body tattoo's

you’re a chef not a gang banger...lol

I always laugh at how these sort of people think they are being original and
cutting edge yet are clones of others.

growing up every Goth and punk person..every biker..every preppie or yuppie
all were like "I am a standout from the crowd I do my own thing.."

while standing a group of 50 others dressed exactly alike and something you
can see in every city in quantity around the world and through time.

yesterdays yuppie is todays hipster...yesterdays Goth is todays emo etc...

KROM


"Susan" wrote in message ...

x-o-archive: yes

On 1/18/2012 2:29 PM, KROM wrote:
> I like Ann a lot and in 20011 she was on fire..but its time to ditch the
> 2006 chef hair.
>
> why EVERY chef felt the need to go platinum with spikes is beyond me..
>

Gettin' hard to tell her and Guy Fieri apart!

Susan

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oh I love whole wheat doughnuts..my favorite was baked in one of those
electric doughnut griddle thingies.

it was a <sadly> recipe from the ADA magazine..if I recall the kids one JDF
and to make doughnuts "diabetic friendly" they replaced white four for whole
grain and instead of frying them you add oil to the batter and bake them..

my mother fell for any and all of these sorts of recipes and it was my job
to call the ambulance for her inevitable trip to the hospital with a
dangerous high or low...usually a low as shed eat 4 "healthy" doughnuts and
spike then shed overshoot her insulin and pass out..

KROM


"W. Baker" wrote in message ...

Ozgirl > wrote:


: "KROM" > wrote in message

: Yep. And geez! Wholegrain donuts? If yer gonna have a donut, have the
: real thing :)

You may be right, but when I was oung a quick lunch place, Chock Full
O'Nuts used to make a simply delicious whole wheat doughnut with powdered
sugar on it. Any other New Yorkers remember them?

Wendy

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"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>>> "Susan" > wrote in message
>>> > On 1/18/2012 1:08 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I love Ina. Her laid back way of cooking, no frenzy etc., is
>>> >> soothing.
>>> >> She and Jeffrey don't have children so she might not be comfortable
>>> >> with
>>> >> children she doesn't know. I think it's a bit over the top for you to
>>> >> even suggest that the kid might not have been "cute enough" since
>>> >> you're
>>> >> speculating about something that you have no inside knowledge about.
>>> >
>>> > IIRC, the request wasn't directly denied by Ina, it was a scheduling
>>> > decision made by staffers before it got to her attention, which is
>>> > typically how this stuff works with famous folks who get gadzillion
>>> > such requests constantly and whose calendars are filled a year in
>>> > advance.
>>
>> The kid shoud die wishing for something. Builds character!
>>
>>> > It was a very poor PR move by whomever the decision maker was, but not
>>> > necessarily reflective in any way of Ina's attitude toward anything.
>>>
>>> Surely the Ina person can over-ride her staff's decisions?
>>>
>>> > And the child's mother's behavior was really out of line, if you ask
>>> > me.
>>
>> If he was my kid, my behavior would have really been 'over the top'!
>
> And its not like every dying kid has a big wish to cook alongside Ina, so
> I doubt there would be a rush. There are some things you can't really make
> excuses about.

Agreed!

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"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
>
> : Hmmm... I've never seen ice cream in a Chinese place. But I have seen
> it
> : in a Mexican place in CA.
>
> When I was young every Chinese restaurant had ice cream for dessert. They
> were the only place you coul dget pistachio ice cream, which was a big
> favorite in my family. fun, because it was green.

How very strange. Here you can only get that in Italian places. I just did
a search of Chinese restaurants to see if they listed desserts. The vast
majority do not. I found one that offers lychee nuts. Of course you get
fortune cookies.

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Cheri > wrote:
: "W. Baker" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Julie Bove > wrote:
: >
: >
: > : Hmmm... I've never seen ice cream in a Chinese place. But I have seen
: > it
: > : in a Mexican place in CA.
: >
: > When I was young every Chinese restaurant had ice cream for dessert. They
: > were the only place you coul dget pistachio ice cream, which was a big
: > favorite in my family. fun, because it was green.
: >
: > Wendy

: We're talking about fried ice cream. :-)

: Cheri

But Julie said (se above) "Hmmm. I've never seen ice cream in a Chinese
place..." That was what I ws responding to.

Wendy

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Julie Bove > wrote:

: "W. Baker" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Julie Bove > wrote:
: >
: >
: > : Hmmm... I've never seen ice cream in a Chinese place. But I have seen
: > it
: > : in a Mexican place in CA.
: >
: > When I was young every Chinese restaurant had ice cream for dessert. They
: > were the only place you coul dget pistachio ice cream, which was a big
: > favorite in my family. fun, because it was green.

: How very strange. Here you can only get that in Italian places. I just did
: a search of Chinese restaurants to see if they listed desserts. The vast
: majority do not. I found one that offers lychee nuts. Of course you get
: fortune cookies.

used to have a choice of ice cream, pineapple bits or lychee nuts, usually
canned, but fresh in season. These were form the old "one form column A
and one from Column B" days.

Wendy

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"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Ozgirl > wrote:
>
>
> : "Jacquie" > wrote in message
> : m...
> : >
> : > "Cheri" > wrote in message
> : > ...
> : >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> : >> ...
> : >>>
> : >>> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> : >>> ...
> : >>>>
> : >>>>
> : >>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> : >>>> ...
> : >>>>>
> : >>>>> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> : >>>>> ...
> : >>>>>>
> : >>>>>>
> : >>>>>> "KROM" > wrote in message
> : >>>>>> ...
> : >>>>>>> bleh...I have never been a bread on bread guy..
> : >>>>>>>
> : >>>>>>> so the thought of wrapping a dessert with a crust in a won
> ton
> : >>>>>>> wrapper is not my cup o sweet tea..lol
> : >>>>>>>
> : >>>>>>> I also never got why restaurants served toast along with
> : >>>>>>> pancakes or waffles..lol
> : >>>>>>
> : >>>>>> I like fried ice cream though. Don't fancy tried a fried
> : >>>>>> cheesecake though.
> : >>>>>
> : >>>>> I had "fried" ice cream once and it was a no go. I now know
> it
> : >>>>> isn't fried at all. Just wrapped in corn flakes. Don't know
> how
> : >>>>> they can get away with calling it fried.
> : >>>>
> : >>>> Here, it is ice cream in batter. Cooked very quickly at high
> heat
> : >>>> so the ice cream doesn't have a chance to melt. Chinese
> restaurants
> : >>>> sell it.
> : >>>
> : >>> Mexican here.
> : >>
> : >> And Chinese in CA.
> : >>
> : >> Cheri
> : >>
> : > Mexican Fried ice cream is usually made with cereal flakes or
> cookie
> : > crumbs...Chinese Fried ice cream is usually made with a
> batter...I've
> : > never had the Chinese ones but they sure sound good :)
>
> : Dusted with powdered sugar, with caramel sauce and whipped cream...
> Now
> : I have a major craving and not every Chinese restaurant does these,
> lol.
>
> Oh my Gosh!

lol

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in Minnesota until recently the only places that had ice cream were the
American buffets like old country buffet and I thin sizzlers had it.

only one Italian place made ice cream here totinos..the other Italian place
(yes other..lol..food choices were not diverse here..)..made shaved
"Italian" ice which was just a snow cone with lemonade on it.

oh and of course chi chis had fried ice cream.

once the Chinese buffets took off big time here they now all have ice cream
but its that gross milky soft serve crap you dont want anyway.

but as far as fried ice cream the only two spots to get it was chi chi's and
the state fair..which for some reason stopped selling it years ago

KROM


"W. Baker" wrote
used to have a choice of ice cream, pineapple bits or lychee nuts, usually
canned, but fresh in season. These were form the old "one form column A
and one from Column B" days.

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In article >,
"W. Baker" > wrote:

> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
>
> : Hmmm... I've never seen ice cream in a Chinese place. But I have seen it
> : in a Mexican place in CA.
>
> When I was young every Chinese restaurant had ice cream for dessert. They
> were the only place you coul dget pistachio ice cream, which was a big
> favorite in my family. fun, because it was green.

I've seen green tea ice cream in some Asian restaurants, also ginger.
Ginger ice cream is *good*!

PP
--
"What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
- Chris Malcolm

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In article >,
"W. Baker" > wrote:

> You may be right, but when I was oung a quick lunch place, Chock Full
> O'Nuts used to make a simply delicious whole wheat doughnut with powdered
> sugar on it. Any other New Yorkers remember them?

Yes! And their shrimp salad sandwiches! And orange drink, bitterish
with lots of pulp.

There was a Chock Full on the corner of 116th and Broadway that I ate at
a lot in my childhood. I can remember eating at one on 34th Street,
too, when down shopping at Macy's.

Do you remember Paddy's Clam House on 34th Street, west of Macy's, IIRC?
LOVED that place, with their formica atmosphere, fresh fish, and
mile-high cream pies? I had my first lobster there!

PP
--
"What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
- Chris Malcolm

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In article
>,
Peppermint Patootie > wrote:

> In article >,
> "W. Baker" > wrote:
>
> > You may be right, but when I was oung a quick lunch place, Chock Full
> > O'Nuts used to make a simply delicious whole wheat doughnut with powdered
> > sugar on it. Any other New Yorkers remember them?
>
> Yes! And their shrimp salad sandwiches! And orange drink, bitterish
> with lots of pulp.
>
> There was a Chock Full on the corner of 116th and Broadway that I ate at
> a lot in my childhood. I can remember eating at one on 34th Street,
> too, when down shopping at Macy's.
>
> Do you remember Paddy's Clam House on 34th Street, west of Macy's, IIRC?
> LOVED that place, with their formica atmosphere, fresh fish, and
> mile-high cream pies? I had my first lobster there!
>
> PP

See http://www.cardcow.com/60925/paddys-...new-york-city/ for a
postcard showing both exterior and interior of Paddy's. Talk about
unassuming! Great place.

PP
--
"What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
- Chris Malcolm

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Peppermint Patootie > wrote:
: In article >,
: "W. Baker" > wrote:
:
: > You may be right, but when I was oung a quick lunch place, Chock Full
: > O'Nuts used to make a simply delicious whole wheat doughnut with powdered
: > sugar on it. Any other New Yorkers remember them?

: Yes! And their shrimp salad sandwiches! And orange drink, bitterish
: with lots of pulp.

: There was a Chock Full on the corner of 116th and Broadway that I ate at
: a lot in my childhood. I can remember eating at one on 34th Street,
: too, when down shopping at Macy's.

: Do you remember Paddy's Clam House on 34th Street, west of Macy's, IIRC?
: LOVED that place, with their formica atmosphere, fresh fish, and
: mile-high cream pies? I had my first lobster there!

: PP
: --
: "What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
: of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
: - Chris Malcolm

Oh Memory lane!

That Chock Full O'Nuts on 1116th st sustained me al ong with teh rickers
on the same block when I was in Ccollege at Barnard:-) Cheap, clean,
unifirm taste, so you knw exactly what you were getting. I loved the
nutted cheese-kind of cream cheese with nuts and it was CHEAP! 15cents a
sandwich an 5 cents a doughnut. Of course, minimum wage went from
75cents an hour to $1.00 during my undeergraduate days.

I used to love Paddy's Clam House. they had something like $1.49 lunches
with a fish, potato and veg, with, I beieve soup too. I never had their
pies, but they were very good and a great value for a young working womman
making about $60 a week. Those fish lunches were not just fried fish
either, but broiled or baked.

thanks for reminding me.

Wendy

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In article >,
"W. Baker" > wrote:
> Peppermint Patootie > wrote:
> : In article >,
> : "W. Baker" > wrote:
> :
> : > You may be right, but when I was oung a quick lunch place, Chock Full
> : > O'Nuts used to make a simply delicious whole wheat doughnut with powdered
> : > sugar on it. Any other New Yorkers remember them?
>
> : Yes! And their shrimp salad sandwiches! And orange drink, bitterish
> : with lots of pulp.
>
> : There was a Chock Full on the corner of 116th and Broadway that I ate at
> : a lot in my childhood. I can remember eating at one on 34th Street,
> : too, when down shopping at Macy's.
>
> : Do you remember Paddy's Clam House on 34th Street, west of Macy's, IIRC?
> : LOVED that place, with their formica atmosphere, fresh fish, and
> : mile-high cream pies? I had my first lobster there!
>
> Oh Memory lane!
>
> That Chock Full O'Nuts on 1116th st sustained me al ong with teh rickers
> on the same block when I was in Ccollege at Barnard:-) Cheap, clean,
> unifirm taste, so you knw exactly what you were getting. I loved the
> nutted cheese-kind of cream cheese with nuts and it was CHEAP! 15cents a
> sandwich an 5 cents a doughnut. Of course, minimum wage went from
> 75cents an hour to $1.00 during my undeergraduate days.
>
> I used to love Paddy's Clam House. they had something like $1.49 lunches
> with a fish, potato and veg, with, I beieve soup too. I never had their
> pies, but they were very good and a great value for a young working womman
> making about $60 a week. Those fish lunches were not just fried fish
> either, but broiled or baked.
>
> thanks for reminding me.
>
> Wendy

Happy memories, indeed!

When I was growing up, there was a grocery/deli almost next to that
Chock Full. Its name was "TA-KOME." When my grandparents, who had
spent years as missionaries in China, moved into the neighborhood for a
while, they thought when they saw it that it was a Japanese store -- you
know, pronounced Tah-Komay. LOL Of course, it was actually pronounced
"Take Home." When I was a kid and went into my father's office at
Columbia with him on Saturdays, we'd get lunch from Ta-Kome. For a
while there I was on a sardines with butter on white bread sandwich and
Yoo-Hoo to drink kick. Eeewww!!!

In June, 2010, I was back in the neighborhood for a reunion at the
school I'd attended from first grade through high school. The spot
where Chock Full was is now a very good pan-Asian restaurant. It packs
people in at tiny tables with table service. Moderately priced, tasty
food. Perfect for students.

The West End bar, where many literary figures (and some of my high
school classmates, both before and after graduation) drank, is now a
Cuban restaurant. Also good. Much good eating in Morningside Heights!

PP
--
"What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
- Chris Malcolm