Has any one read

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/foods.html

?

On Jan 10, 11:39*pm, DMJoshi > wrote:
> Has any one read
>
> http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/foods.html
>
> ?

I haven't read this specifically until just now. Bacon and other
nitrate/nitrite
reserved food speed the progression of T2 DM. So Bacon is NOT good
choice in the longer term.

I am starting to suspect approaching T2 DM on the mild end has
different
but effective approaches. I've liked and used a low carb diet. But I
suspect
a bit more carbs are passable IF the over all calorie level is pretty
minimal.

Beef may not too good. There is some issue as to insulin and area
under
the curve with glucose level. I don't quite understand the issue.
It certainly has more iron (not too good a thing unless you've been
bleeding)
than the other meats.

I do agree with the approach on fats though lots low carb veggies are
vital.
Depending on the person, I suspect beans are better than the site
allows
as long as one keeps the dose to a cup of cooked beans. Check your
BG after such a meal.

On Jan 11, 9:04*am, |"
> wrote:
> On Jan 10, 11:39*pm, DMJoshi > wrote:
>
> > Has any one read
>
> >http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/foods.html
>
> > ?
>
> I haven't read this specifically until just now. Bacon and other
> nitrate/nitrite
> reserved food speed the progression of T2 DM. So Bacon is NOT good
> choice in the longer term.
>
> I am starting to suspect approaching T2 DM on the mild end has
> different
> but effective approaches. I've liked and used a low carb diet. But I
> suspect
> a bit more carbs are passable IF the over all calorie level is pretty
> minimal.
>
> Beef may not too good. There is some issue as to insulin and area
> under
> the curve with glucose level. I don't quite understand the issue.
> It certainly has more iron (not too good a thing unless you've been
> bleeding)
> than the other meats.
>
> I do agree with the approach on fats though lots low carb veggies are
> vital.
> Depending on the person, I suspect beans are better than the site
> allows
> as long as one keeps the dose to a cup of cooked beans. Check your
> BG after such a meal.

I was am on Metformin for over 3 years now.

I am mostly Vegitarian, though have not a rigid one.

Like Coconut Kernel very much but had read that it is not Good. Was
checking if de-oiled coconut is OK and came across this link. Have
taken a print out to get it checked with Dietician at my surgery.

Have stopped taking butter and Full-Fat Yogurt and cheese.

These things being recommended surprised me a bit.

For cooking Vegetables I use what sells as Vegetable Oil which I
believe is mostly rapeseed oil. They say Olive oil is the best but
then it is always expensive and I will have get used to its taste.

Being Vegetarian have to depend on bread. Do not eat white flour bread
though.

On Jan 11, 2:04*am, DMJoshi > wrote:
> On Jan 11, 9:04*am, |"
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>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Jan 10, 11:39*pm, DMJoshi > wrote:
>
> > > Has any one read
>
> > >http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/foods.html
>
> > > ?
>
> > I haven't read this specifically until just now. Bacon and other
> > nitrate/nitrite
> > reserved food speed the progression of T2 DM. So Bacon is NOT good
> > choice in the longer term.
>
> > I am starting to suspect approaching T2 DM on the mild end has
> > different
> > but effective approaches. I've liked and used a low carb diet. But I
> > suspect
> > a bit more carbs are passable IF the over all calorie level is pretty
> > minimal.
>
> > Beef may not too good. There is some issue as to insulin and area
> > under
> > the curve with glucose level. I don't quite understand the issue.
> > It certainly has more iron (not too good a thing unless you've been
> > bleeding)
> > than the other meats.
>
> > I do agree with the approach on fats though lots low carb veggies are
> > vital.
> > Depending on the person, I suspect beans are better than the site
> > allows
> > as long as one keeps the dose to a cup of cooked beans. Check your
> > BG after such a meal.
>
> I was am on Metformin for over 3 years now.
>
> I am mostly Vegitarian, though have not a rigid one.
>
> Like Coconut Kernel very much but had read that it is not Good. Was
> checking if de-oiled coconut is OK and came across this link. Have
> taken a print out to get it checked with Dietician at my surgery.
>
> Have stopped taking butter and Full-Fat Yogurt and cheese.
>
> These things being recommended surprised me a bit.
>
> For cooking Vegetables I use what sells as Vegetable Oil which I
> believe is mostly rapeseed oil. They say Olive oil is the best but
> then it is always expensive and I will have get used to its taste.
>
> Being Vegetarian have to depend on bread. Do not eat white flour bread
> though.

Given that butter at least commerical butter is loaded with AGEs
butter isn't ideal in the contex of DM.

I eat full fat only way diary products I still. Cheese is better than
bread in not raising the BG and needing insulin.

Find "Heart Scan Blog" by Doctor Davies and read it.
It should change your mind of the supposed merit of wheat and
grains. With DM or preDM the concern is heart and vascular disease,
lipids level are altered, glucose levels vary widely which damages
tissues, oxidative stress damages lipids and microcirculation
function.

For some here silymarin (an heb derived material) is claimed to help
rather like metformin.
Exercise helps though it needs to be every couple of days and
vigorous.

It depends what you have left in the way of beta cells/insulin output.
Perhaps you can get by with diet and exercise.
The drug is one of the safer ones though it has its issues. It impairs
vitamin B-12 uptake.
For some going to insulin is the smart move.

Hang around here and ask and look at the archive.
Learn to read/use Pubmed. Just Google to find it.

good health to
you................................Trig ..........~preDM

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:39:59 -0800 (PST)
DMJoshi > wrote:

> Has any one read
>
> http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/foods.html

I disagree strongly with the opening paragraph:

! Diabetes affects different people in different ways,
! depending on their degree of diabetic complication,
! but, while different amounts of carbs may be eaten for
! this reason, the types of foods to eat and to avoid is
! the same for all.

Diabetes is an autoimmune disease, and autoimmune diseases
are mostly allergies. When I first came into this forum
I read a discussion about glycemic index, and how we cannot
rely on the glycemic index of foods from the standard tables.
Each of us has a different reaction to the foods. Some food
allergies attack the insulin producing cells or increase
insulin resistance. This is *why* they have higher glycemic
index. On top of this there are issues about the amount of
carbs and how quickly they are absorbed.

I did somewhat the same thing that Chris Malcolm did, taking
many BG readings during the day, and I found that dairy products
are incredibly damaging. They are a slow poison for me.
Potatoes OTOH are perfectly OK. I thrive on potatoes and sauerkraut.
Rules about whole grains are completely wrong for me.

I know that others here have different results. They find that
different diets work better for them. Genetic variation is a
consequence of evolution, but "one man's meat is another man's
poison" harks back to Democritus.

On Jan 12, 6:39*pm, Trawley Trash > wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:39:59 -0800 (PST)
>
> DMJoshi > wrote:
> > Has any one read
>
> >http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/foods.html
>
> * I disagree strongly with the opening paragraph:
>
> ! Diabetes affects different people in different ways,
> ! depending on their degree of diabetic complication,
> ! but, while different amounts of carbs may be eaten for
> ! this reason, the types of foods to eat and to avoid is
> ! the same for all.
>
> * Diabetes is an autoimmune disease, and autoimmune diseases
> * are mostly allergies. *When I first came into this forum
> * I read a discussion about glycemic index, and how we cannot
> * rely on the glycemic index of foods from the standard tables.
> * Each of us has a different reaction to the foods. *Some food
> * allergies attack the insulin producing cells or increase
> * insulin resistance. *This is *why* they have higher glycemic
> * index. *On top of this there are issues about the amount of
> * carbs and how quickly they are absorbed.
>
> * I did somewhat the same thing that Chris Malcolm did, taking
> * many BG readings during the day, and I found that dairy products
> * are incredibly damaging. *They are a slow poison for me.
> * Potatoes OTOH are perfectly OK. *I thrive on potatoes and sauerkraut.

On Jan 13, 2:39*am, Trawley Trash > wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:39:59 -0800 (PST)
>
> DMJoshi > wrote:
> > Has any one read
>
> >http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/foods.html
>
> * I disagree strongly with the opening paragraph:
>
> ! Diabetes affects different people in different ways,
> ! depending on their degree of diabetic complication,
> ! but, while different amounts of carbs may be eaten for
> ! this reason, the types of foods to eat and to avoid is
> ! the same for all.
>
> * Diabetes is an autoimmune disease, and autoimmune diseases
> * are mostly allergies. *When I first came into this forum
> * I read a discussion about glycemic index, and how we cannot
> * rely on the glycemic index of foods from the standard tables.
> * Each of us has a different reaction to the foods. *Some food
> * allergies attack the insulin producing cells or increase
> * insulin resistance. *This is *why* they have higher glycemic
> * index. *On top of this there are issues about the amount of
> * carbs and how quickly they are absorbed.
>
> * I did somewhat the same thing that Chris Malcolm did, taking
> * many BG readings during the day, and I found that dairy products
> * are incredibly damaging. *They are a slow poison for me.
> * Potatoes OTOH are perfectly OK. *I thrive on potatoes and sauerkraut.

On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:51:07 -0800 (PST)
|" > wrote:

> Thanks I try to keep your experience in mind when I test in the
> morning
> and after meals. I am wondering if dairy has an impact. Certianly milk
> due to milk sugar but also the creams. Cheese in moderation seems
> OK for me. And I assuming some of this has a longer sweep of effect
> than just post meal.

Most of the foods that came up positive in that Igg allergy test seem
to have an extended effect on BG. Dairy is the worst, but it does not
show up in the test. OTOH I began to feel weak within a few minutes
after eating that cheese. This is too fast for an Igg allergy. So
maybe I need to test for IgE allergy to dairy. It may be making me
ill, but I have no vomiting reflex. I have a congenital condition
with my intestines that may contribute here.

I have been cautiously testing my renewed tolerance for gluten by
eating a few rye crackers. They seem to be OK for me now. The
most difficult result is that the test shows my strongest allergy
is to eggs. I have no symptoms that I am aware of with them.
I will have to try eliminating them to see if they affect my BG.

DMJoshi
> Has any one read
>
> http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/foods.html
>
> ?
This web site is little more, IMO, that beliefs with little real
reference to the full spectrum of science.
In others words pseudo science. Irrelevant references are provided to
portray the illusion of validity but it basically crap.

For instance, there is a page on the site that claims that smoking is
not a cause of smoking. Now, no matter how philosophical you want to
analyze the meaning of "cause" such a claim deserves a lot more
discussion that provided.

See: http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/smo...ng_cancer.html


Regards
Randy

On Jan 16, 2:25*am, " > wrote:
> DMJoshi> Has any one read
>
> >http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/foods.html
>
> > ?
>
> This web site is little more, IMO, that beliefs with little real
> reference to the full spectrum of science.
> In others words pseudo science. Irrelevant references are provided to
> portray the illusion of validity but it basically crap.
>
> For instance, there is a page on the site that claims that smoking is
> not a cause of smoking. Now, no matter how philosophical you want to
> analyze the meaning of "cause" such a claim deserves a lot more
> discussion that provided.
>
> See:http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/smo...ng_cancer.html
>
> Regards
> Randy

Thank you Randy for pointing that page out.