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Dave Smith wrote,

> neurocratic malfunction wrote:
>
> > over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
> > imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
> > american stuff.
> >
> > bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.

>
> Over the weekend you parents bought a computer and you decided to troll
> news groups


Congratulations for your correct identification of Trollus
Useneticus, a very common species with manual dexterity but
only the intelligence to quarrel.

later
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"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
--from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.

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over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
american stuff.

bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.
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neurocratic malfunction wrote:

> over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
> imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
> american stuff.


so what exactly did you buy? there's chocolate, and then there's chocolate.

> bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.


Now if you consider hersheys almond 'chocolate'... that's sweet candy, but
not chocolate to me ,)

Petra in Hamburg, Germany
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On 2004-11-11, Petra Hildebrandt > wrote:
> neurocratic malfunction wrote:
>
>> over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
>> imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
>> american stuff.

>
> so what exactly did you buy? there's chocolate, and then there's chocolate.
>
>> bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.

>
> Now if you consider hersheys almond 'chocolate'... that's sweet candy, but
> not chocolate to me ,)
>
> Petra in Hamburg, Germany


Two US chocolate facts:

Baker's Chocolate ...which is ok, but no big deal.... is distinguished by
the fact that its the oldest choc in the US (I think) and in it's history it
refused to buy any raw cocoa from slave based plantations. 'nuff said!

The other is Scharffen Berger, a California producer that is fanatical in
its persuit of producing the best chocolate. Their plant uses "old world"
equipment they've purchased from European companies that have tossed it off
for a more cost efficient processes.

I'm no choco expert, but SB is pretty much considered to be THE premier
choco maker in the US and on par with best of the best of Euro choco makers.

nb


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"neurocratic malfunction" > wrote in message
om...
> over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
> imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
> american stuff.
>
> bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.


American chocolate is rubbish. Try Belgian. Or try Green & Black's Organic.
Yum yum.


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"La Donna Mobile" > wrote in message
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>
> "neurocratic malfunction" > wrote in message
> om...
>> over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
>> imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
>> american stuff.
>>
>> bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.

>
> American chocolate is rubbish. Try Belgian. Or try Green & Black's
> Organic.
> Yum yum.
>

For those who don't know the place, some fantastic Belgian chocolate is
available at a small shop in the Vaults, between the main station and
underground area of London Bridge Station. Can't remember the brand names
off hand, but everything there is uniformly excellent.

Ian


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Wendy wrote,

> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:32:21 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
> > wrote:
>
> >Wendy of NJ wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:59:43 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Wendy of NJ wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 11 Nov 2004 00:41:39 -0800,
> >> >> (neurocratic malfunction) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
> >> >> >imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
> >> >> >american stuff.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.
> >> >>
> >> >> I used to agree with you (but it had to be DARK chocolate), but then,
> >> >> a colleague came back from Eruope with some French chocolates. OMFG.
> >> >> The only thing that supassed that was sex. (and only really GOOD sex).
> >> >
> >> >Wait'll you find out about Belgian!
> >> >
> >> >(And the readily available Godiva isn't considered the best over there.)
> >>
> >> I find the entire chocolate thing slightly amazing, considering the
> >> amount of processing it takes to convert cocoa/cacao to chocolate (and
> >> that someone figured out how to do it in the 17th century).


Actually it was done much early by the Meso-Americans. The Spanish
imperialists/colonialists stole it and didn't begin to change it to a
modern form. Modern chocolate dates from the late 19th- early 20
century
and before that you had a form of chocolate drink that was thick and
bitter
requiring intense sweetening to be truely palatable.

> >
> >I'm impressed by butter.
> >
> >And bread.


As ancient as beer.

> >
> >And tapioca.


South Americans Indians discovered it.
> >
> >And soufflé.
> >
> >And meringue.
> >
> >They're all just so inherently implausible -- kind of like, How did the
> >eye evolve?

>
> But, according to current knowledge, the eye evolved independently on
> Earth about 18 different times, and they are all quite similar to each
> other. (OK, maybe it's 4 instead of 18, but still).


Is the compound eye of the insect much like the eye of a lobster
or the eye of a octopus or squid or the blue eyed mussel or the eye
of a homo sapiens sapiens?
>
> It's like, to me anyway, someone looking at a crab or a lobster and
> thinking this thing could possibly be edible.


But they are edible and have been used as food as early as the
baboons. That is because if you get hungry enough you will try to
eat anything including dirt. Hold it down and pound it with a rock
until it stops struggling and try it in your mouth is the rule for
ambulatory foods. For plants stick it in Mikey's mouth and make
him swallow, if he is alive tomorrow we will all have a feast.

later
bliss -- C O C O A Powered... (at california dot com)

--
"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
--from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.



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Wendy wrote,

> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:32:21 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
> > wrote:
>
> >Wendy of NJ wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:59:43 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Wendy of NJ wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 11 Nov 2004 00:41:39 -0800,
> >> >> (neurocratic malfunction) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
> >> >> >imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
> >> >> >american stuff.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.
> >> >>
> >> >> I used to agree with you (but it had to be DARK chocolate), but then,
> >> >> a colleague came back from Eruope with some French chocolates. OMFG.
> >> >> The only thing that supassed that was sex. (and only really GOOD sex).
> >> >
> >> >Wait'll you find out about Belgian!
> >> >
> >> >(And the readily available Godiva isn't considered the best over there.)
> >>
> >> I find the entire chocolate thing slightly amazing, considering the
> >> amount of processing it takes to convert cocoa/cacao to chocolate (and
> >> that someone figured out how to do it in the 17th century).


Actually it was done much early by the Meso-Americans. The Spanish
imperialists/colonialists stole it and didn't begin to change it to a
modern form. Modern chocolate dates from the late 19th- early 20
century
and before that you had a form of chocolate drink that was thick and
bitter
requiring intense sweetening to be truely palatable.

> >
> >I'm impressed by butter.
> >
> >And bread.


As ancient as beer.

> >
> >And tapioca.


South Americans Indians discovered it.
> >
> >And soufflé.
> >
> >And meringue.
> >
> >They're all just so inherently implausible -- kind of like, How did the
> >eye evolve?

>
> But, according to current knowledge, the eye evolved independently on
> Earth about 18 different times, and they are all quite similar to each
> other. (OK, maybe it's 4 instead of 18, but still).


Is the compound eye of the insect much like the eye of a lobster
or the eye of a octopus or squid or the blue eyed mussel or the eye
of a homo sapiens sapiens?
>
> It's like, to me anyway, someone looking at a crab or a lobster and
> thinking this thing could possibly be edible.


But they are edible and have been used as food as early as the
baboons. That is because if you get hungry enough you will try to
eat anything including dirt. Hold it down and pound it with a rock
until it stops struggling and try it in your mouth is the rule for
ambulatory foods. For plants stick it in Mikey's mouth and make
him swallow, if he is alive tomorrow we will all have a feast.

later
bliss -- C O C O A Powered... (at california dot com)

--
"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
--from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.



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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:05:00 +0000 (UTC), "La Donna Mobile"
> wrote:

>Or try Green & Black's Organic.
>Yum yum.


I find it too acidic for my taste.

--
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neurocratic malfunction wrote:
>
> over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
> imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
> american stuff.
>
> bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.


Europeans reportedly don't like Hershey's because it's made with
buttermilk, and they perceive it to be sour-tasting.
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American "chocolate" is like wax. I will occasionally drop into a
confectioner's and buy a couple chocolate truffles. Mmmmm now that's usually
pretty good chocolate...

neurocratic malfunction > wrote in message
om...
> over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
> imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
> american stuff.
>
> bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.



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In article >, Ian Pace > wrote:
>
>"La Donna Mobile" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "neurocratic malfunction" > wrote in message
>> om...
>>> over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
>>> imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
>>> american stuff.
>>>
>>> bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.

>>
>> American chocolate is rubbish. Try Belgian. Or try Green & Black's
>> Organic.
>> Yum yum.
>>

>For those who don't know the place, some fantastic Belgian chocolate is
>available at a small shop in the Vaults, between the main station and
>underground area of London Bridge Station. Can't remember the brand names
>off hand, but everything there is uniformly excellent.
>
>Ian


All borderline. Real chocolate comes from Mexico and a few points south
of it.



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Sue wrote:
> Having had Swiss chocolate, I'd say it was far better than the American
> item, being much sweeter, smoother and less gritty.
>
> Heshey Almond is very tasty, though!
>


"Mr. Goodbar" is better, but you don't see them in the stores much
anymore after that movie...

Best regards,
Bob
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"Matthew Fields" > wrote in message
...
> >For those who don't know the place, some fantastic Belgian chocolate is
> >available at a small shop in the Vaults, between the main station and
> >underground area of London Bridge Station. Can't remember the brand names
> >off hand, but everything there is uniformly excellent.
> >
> >Ian

>
> All borderline. Real chocolate comes from Mexico and a few points south
> of it.


The best chocolate in the world comes from South America. That is what
European candy makers use.


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neurocratic malfunction wrote:

> over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
> imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
> american stuff.
>
> bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.


Over the weekend you parents bought a computer and you decided to troll
news groups


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Cotton Eyed Joe wrote:
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> "Matthew Fields" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >For those who don't know the place, some fantastic Belgian chocolate is
> > >available at a small shop in the Vaults, between the main station and
> > >underground area of London Bridge Station. Can't remember the brand names
> > >off hand, but everything there is uniformly excellent.
> > >
> > >Ian

> >
> > All borderline. Real chocolate comes from Mexico and a few points south
> > of it.

>
> The best chocolate in the world comes from South America. That is what
> European candy makers use.


That's the raw material, not the candy. Molé sauce is a great invention.
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"La Donna Mobile" > wrote in message
...
>
> "neurocratic malfunction" > wrote in message
> om...
>> over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
>> imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
>> american stuff.
>>
>> bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.

>
> American chocolate is rubbish.


This statement is just as silly as the OP's. There are good American
chocolates. There are bad American chocolates. Same thing holds true in
Europe.




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"BeingAnonymousMakesMeObnoxious" > wrote in message
news
> American "chocolate" is like wax. I will occasionally drop into a
> confectioner's and buy a couple chocolate truffles. Mmmmm now that's
> usually
> pretty good chocolate...
>


Sounds like you've been eating American summer coating, not American
chocolate.

BTW, the cross posting ought to alert us all that the OP is a troll. So why
are any of us bothering to reply?


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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:32:21 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
> wrote:

>Wendy of NJ wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:59:43 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Wendy of NJ wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 11 Nov 2004 00:41:39 -0800,
>> >> (neurocratic malfunction) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
>> >> >imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
>> >> >american stuff.
>> >> >
>> >> >bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.
>> >>
>> >> I used to agree with you (but it had to be DARK chocolate), but then,
>> >> a colleague came back from Eruope with some French chocolates. OMFG.
>> >> The only thing that supassed that was sex. (and only really GOOD sex).
>> >
>> >Wait'll you find out about Belgian!
>> >
>> >(And the readily available Godiva isn't considered the best over there.)

>>
>> I find the entire chocolate thing slightly amazing, considering the
>> amount of processing it takes to convert cocoa/cacao to chocolate (and
>> that someone figured out how to do it in the 17th century).

>
>I'm impressed by butter.
>
>And bread.
>
>And tapioca.
>
>And soufflé.
>
>And meringue.
>
>They're all just so inherently implausible -- kind of like, How did the
>eye evolve?


But, according to current knowledge, the eye evolved independently on
Earth about 18 different times, and they are all quite similar to each
other. (OK, maybe it's 4 instead of 18, but still).

It's like, to me anyway, someone looking at a crab or a lobster and
thinking this thing could possibly be edible.


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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:32:21 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
> wrote:

>Wendy of NJ wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:59:43 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Wendy of NJ wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 11 Nov 2004 00:41:39 -0800,
>> >> (neurocratic malfunction) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
>> >> >imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
>> >> >american stuff.
>> >> >
>> >> >bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.
>> >>
>> >> I used to agree with you (but it had to be DARK chocolate), but then,
>> >> a colleague came back from Eruope with some French chocolates. OMFG.
>> >> The only thing that supassed that was sex. (and only really GOOD sex).
>> >
>> >Wait'll you find out about Belgian!
>> >
>> >(And the readily available Godiva isn't considered the best over there.)

>>
>> I find the entire chocolate thing slightly amazing, considering the
>> amount of processing it takes to convert cocoa/cacao to chocolate (and
>> that someone figured out how to do it in the 17th century).

>
>I'm impressed by butter.
>
>And bread.
>
>And tapioca.
>
>And soufflé.
>
>And meringue.
>
>They're all just so inherently implausible -- kind of like, How did the
>eye evolve?


But, according to current knowledge, the eye evolved independently on
Earth about 18 different times, and they are all quite similar to each
other. (OK, maybe it's 4 instead of 18, but still).

It's like, to me anyway, someone looking at a crab or a lobster and
thinking this thing could possibly be edible.


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American chocolate, like American made
motocycles is garbage.
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neurocratic malfunction wrote:
>
> over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
> imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
> american stuff.
>
> bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.


Let's put it this way: if you like Hershey's at all, you won't ever like
decent chocolate whether it's 'European' or American. Hershey's has so
little cocoa solid in it, it probably wouldn't even be legally
considered chocolate in some places.
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neurocratic malfunction wrote:
>
> over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
> imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
> american stuff.
>
> bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.


Let's put it this way: if you like Hershey's at all, you won't ever like
decent chocolate whether it's 'European' or American. Hershey's has so
little cocoa solid in it, it probably wouldn't even be legally
considered chocolate in some places.
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"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
>
> neurocratic malfunction wrote:
> >
> > over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
> > imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
> > american stuff.
> >
> > bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.

>
> Europeans reportedly don't like Hershey's because it's made with
> buttermilk, and they perceive it to be sour-tasting.
> --
> Peter T. Daniels



They don't like it because it doesn't have enough cocoa in it to begin
with.
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"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
>
> neurocratic malfunction wrote:
> >
> > over the weekend, i decided to be a little fancy and bought some
> > imported european chocolate cuz i heard it's so much better than
> > american stuff.
> >
> > bullshit. american stuff is much better. hershey almond is the best.

>
> Europeans reportedly don't like Hershey's because it's made with
> buttermilk, and they perceive it to be sour-tasting.
> --
> Peter T. Daniels



They don't like it because it doesn't have enough cocoa in it to begin
with.
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Peter T. Daniels wrote,

> Matthew Fields wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > Peter T. Daniels > wrote:
> >
> > >They're all just so inherently implausible -- kind of like, How did the
> > >eye evolve?
> > >--
> > >Peter T. Daniels

> >
> > Ever seen planaria flatworms? or octopusses? Eyes have evolved
> > something like 8 separate times,

>
> Are you not aware that "How did the eye evolve?" is the standard
> Creationist challenge to evolutionists?
>
> Obviously both eyes evolved and butter was invented, but both processes
> got a lot of 'splainin' to do.


Not really. The processes of evolution only require that acceptance
of the time involved. Light sensitive organisms usually leave the
light.
but when the light dectection system is hooked up to a reactive nervous
system it becomes an advantage for survival and hence for reproduction.

Light sensitivity may lead to the nervous system as much as learning
to herd animals lead to taking milk from the cattle and trying to carry
it in leather bags, leads to cheese and butter. Curiously enough in
Africa the milk digestion gene doesn't work well after childhood
and cattle may be used for the extraction of blood for food and drink.

The big difficulty is acceptance of the immense time scale of
the macro universe which permits the evolution of all things.

> --
> Peter T. Daniels


later
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"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
--from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.

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