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ok so i just bought a v 2420 thinking it would help with several issues. but
i am posting here because they sell a seperate maranating box, do any of you have/use this to marinate and what would be the advantages of it over just sealing in the bag... any other tips/tricks/opinions or places to get the bag materials cheaply would be very appreciated, Lee -- Have a wonderful day |
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On 28-Sep-2009, "Stormmee" > wrote: > ok so i just bought a v 2420 thinking it would help with several issues. > but i am posting here because they sell a seperate maranating box, do any > of > you have/use this to marinate and what would be the advantages of it over > just sealing in the bag... any other tips/tricks/opinions or places to > get the > bag materials cheaply would be very appreciated, Lee > > -- > Have a wonderful day The marinating box allows you to pull a vacuum on the product after submerging it in marinade. All air or gas of any type that was in the product will be sucked out and replaced with the marinade. I just bought a case (500) of 8 inch by 11-1/2 inch channel bags from Sorbent Systems (sorbentsystems.com). That worked out to $0.26/bag delivered. I only recently removed my foodsaver from mothballs while I am repairing my Sinbo VS-280 snorkel machine. Same size bags for that machine are about $0.09/bag. -- Brick (Youth is wasted on young people) |
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thanks a lt, Lee
-- Have a wonderful day "Brick" > wrote in message ster.com... > > On 28-Sep-2009, "Stormmee" > wrote: > >> ok so i just bought a v 2420 thinking it would help with several issues. >> but i am posting here because they sell a seperate maranating box, do any >> of >> you have/use this to marinate and what would be the advantages of it over >> just sealing in the bag... any other tips/tricks/opinions or places to >> get the >> bag materials cheaply would be very appreciated, Lee >> >> -- >> Have a wonderful day > > The marinating box allows you to pull a vacuum on the product after > submerging it in marinade. All air or gas of any type that was in the > product will be sucked out and replaced with the marinade. > > I just bought a case (500) of 8 inch by 11-1/2 inch channel bags from > Sorbent Systems (sorbentsystems.com). That worked out to $0.26/bag > delivered. I only recently removed my foodsaver from mothballs while > I am repairing my Sinbo VS-280 snorkel machine. Same size bags for > that machine are about $0.09/bag. > > -- > Brick (Youth is wasted on young people) |
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:58:04 -0500, "Stormmee"
> wrote: >ok so i just bought a v 2420 thinking it would help with several issues. but >i am posting here because they sell a seperate maranating box, do any of you >have/use this to marinate and what would be the advantages of it over just >sealing in the bag... any other tips/tricks/opinions or places to get the >bag materials cheaply would be very appreciated, Lee I want to get a vacuum bag machine but I can't justify the price right now, so I am no help to you. I use freezer bags and a straw to get out all the air I can. |
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"Gene" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:58:04 -0500, "Stormmee" > > wrote: > >>ok so i just bought a v 2420 thinking it would help with several >>issues. but >>i am posting here because they sell a seperate maranating box, >>do any of you >>have/use this to marinate and what would be the advantages of it >>over just >>sealing in the bag... any other tips/tricks/opinions or places >>to get the >>bag materials cheaply would be very appreciated, Lee > > I want to get a vacuum bag machine but I can't justify the price > right > now, so I am no help to you. I use freezer bags and a straw to > get out > all the air I can. > Long ago, I discovered that saving 1" wide strips of the crinkled part of used Foodsaver bags gave a decent exit point for air when using plain freezer bags. Just place the strip in the mouth of the bag and then use the bag as you'd use a Foodsaver one. The heat sealer will melt/fuse the strip and bag, keeping the air from reentering. Personally, I then immediately pull off the excess hot strip that remains outside the bag and then reseal the bag a second time. It works for me. -- Nonny To compel a man to subsidize with taxes the propagation of policies he abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. |
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i got this one for fifty dollars including 2 canisters, and i bought it from
the lady behind us, so no shopping/shipping needed, otherwise, the price for it was stopping me, Lee -- Have a wonderful day "Gene" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:58:04 -0500, "Stormmee" > > wrote: > >>ok so i just bought a v 2420 thinking it would help with several issues. >>but >>i am posting here because they sell a seperate maranating box, do any of >>you >>have/use this to marinate and what would be the advantages of it over just >>sealing in the bag... any other tips/tricks/opinions or places to get the >>bag materials cheaply would be very appreciated, Lee > > I want to get a vacuum bag machine but I can't justify the price right > now, so I am no help to you. I use freezer bags and a straw to get out > all the air I can. > |
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great tip, Lee
-- Have a wonderful day "Nonny" > wrote in message ... > > "Gene" > wrote in message > ... >> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:58:04 -0500, "Stormmee" >> > wrote: >> >>>ok so i just bought a v 2420 thinking it would help with several issues. >>>but >>>i am posting here because they sell a seperate maranating box, do any of >>>you >>>have/use this to marinate and what would be the advantages of it over >>>just >>>sealing in the bag... any other tips/tricks/opinions or places to get the >>>bag materials cheaply would be very appreciated, Lee >> >> I want to get a vacuum bag machine but I can't justify the price right >> now, so I am no help to you. I use freezer bags and a straw to get out >> all the air I can. >> > > Long ago, I discovered that saving 1" wide strips of the crinkled part of > used Foodsaver bags gave a decent exit point for air when using plain > freezer bags. Just place the strip in the mouth of the bag and then use > the bag as you'd use a Foodsaver one. The heat sealer will melt/fuse the > strip and bag, keeping the air from reentering. Personally, I then > immediately pull off the excess hot strip that remains outside the bag and > then reseal the bag a second time. It works for me. > > -- > Nonny > > To compel a man to subsidize with > taxes the propagation of policies > he abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. > > > |
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On 28-Sep-2009, "Nonny" > wrote: > "Gene" > wrote in message > ... > > On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:58:04 -0500, "Stormmee" > > > wrote: .. . . > > Long ago, I discovered that saving 1" wide strips of the crinkled > part of used Foodsaver bags gave a decent exit point for air when > using plain freezer bags. Just place the strip in the mouth of > the bag and then use the bag as you'd use a Foodsaver one. The > heat sealer will melt/fuse the strip and bag, keeping the air from > reentering. Personally, I then immediately pull off the excess > hot strip that remains outside the bag and then reseal the bag a > second time. It works for me. > > -- > Nonny I've never been able to get "Glad" or "Ziploc" bags to hold a vacuum. With my snorkel sealer, I don't need the extra corragated strip to facilitate evacuating the bag. But they don't hold a vacuum after I seal them. I'll try it like you describe and see what happens. -- Brick (Youth is wasted on young people) |
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On Sep 29, 2:10*am, "Brick" > wrote:
> I've never been able to get "Glad" or "Ziploc" bags to hold a > vacuum. With my snorkel sealer, I don't need the extra > corragated strip to facilitate evacuating the bag. But they > don't hold a vacuum after I seal them. I'll try it like you > describe and see what happens. Me neither. I have a variable heat sealer strip, and if the seal doesn't leak, the bag does. I gave up. I use my vacuum sealer a lot. It is a commercial model I bought on closeout, and I love it. I still have my first small counter top FoodSaver brand, but it doesn't get used my anymore. I buy my bags on ebay, and if I can't get a good deal, I just wait until they come up again. I have to buy lot to get the price down, but I can usually get the bags down to about .18 - .20 cents including shipping if I really look. I have always seen those snorkel units around but have never seen one in action. To me, the cost of operation would almost be worth the purchase of the machine. As far as using the machine to marinate, you should know that it works great, cuts the marinate time down to about 1/3 the normal time and gives much better penetration. My personal experience is that I make the marinade a lot less stronger since the machine pulls it into the meet as opposed to waiting for osmosis to work. BTW, you can use any of their canisters to do the same thing as well. Just make sure the meat is covered with marinade and you are set. Robert |
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> wrote in message ... On Sep 29, 2:10 am, "Brick" > wrote: > I've never been able to get "Glad" or "Ziploc" bags to hold a > vacuum. With my snorkel sealer, I don't need the extra > corragated strip to facilitate evacuating the bag. But they > don't hold a vacuum after I seal them. I'll try it like you > describe and see what happens. Me neither. I have a variable heat sealer strip, and if the seal doesn't leak, the bag does. I gave up. I use my vacuum sealer a lot. It is a commercial model I bought on closeout, and I love it. I still have my first small counter top FoodSaver brand, but it doesn't get used my anymore. I buy my bags on ebay, and if I can't get a good deal, I just wait until they come up again. I have to buy lot to get the price down, but I can usually get the bags down to about .18 - .20 cents including shipping if I really look. I have always seen those snorkel units around but have never seen one in action. To me, the cost of operation would almost be worth the purchase of the machine. As far as using the machine to marinate, you should know that it works great, cuts the marinate time down to about 1/3 the normal time and gives much better penetration. My personal experience is that I make the marinade a lot less stronger since the machine pulls it into the meet as opposed to waiting for osmosis to work. BTW, you can use any of their canisters to do the same thing as well. Just make sure the meat is covered with marinade and you are set. Robert > > Have you tried "sous vide"? You vacuum seal the uncooked meat and then very slowly warm it in water to 110F or so depending on the cut of the meat, and the degree of doneness you want. Then you sear the surface at a very high temp, creating the outside char and uniform rare/medium- rare meat from edge to edge, without a "grey band"["sous vide" cooking". I've tried this with a sucked out ziplock bag unsuccessfully. The small remaining air in the bag expands during the slow heating process, and the heat doesn't get through the air to the meat. Ed, a certified tightwad |
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:58:04 -0500, "Stormmee"
> wrote: >ok so i just bought a v 2420 thinking it would help with several issues. but >i am posting here because they sell a seperate maranating box, do any of you >have/use this to marinate and what would be the advantages of it over just >sealing in the bag... any other tips/tricks/opinions or places to get the >bag materials cheaply would be very appreciated, Lee I bought the FoodSaver marinating container and after using it about three times it would no longer seal. I cleaned the rim and the gasket material several times but, it refuses to seal. Don't remember exactly what I paid for it but, it wasn't cheap. We use the FoodSaver for many things and really like it but, that particular accessory was a waste of money. Everyone's MMV. Ross. |
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thanks, i was wondering about the advantages of using the canister over just
sealing the meat in a bag, Lee -- Have a wonderful day > wrote in message ... On Sep 29, 2:10 am, "Brick" > wrote: > I've never been able to get "Glad" or "Ziploc" bags to hold a > vacuum. With my snorkel sealer, I don't need the extra > corragated strip to facilitate evacuating the bag. But they > don't hold a vacuum after I seal them. I'll try it like you > describe and see what happens. Me neither. I have a variable heat sealer strip, and if the seal doesn't leak, the bag does. I gave up. I use my vacuum sealer a lot. It is a commercial model I bought on closeout, and I love it. I still have my first small counter top FoodSaver brand, but it doesn't get used my anymore. I buy my bags on ebay, and if I can't get a good deal, I just wait until they come up again. I have to buy lot to get the price down, but I can usually get the bags down to about .18 - .20 cents including shipping if I really look. I have always seen those snorkel units around but have never seen one in action. To me, the cost of operation would almost be worth the purchase of the machine. As far as using the machine to marinate, you should know that it works great, cuts the marinate time down to about 1/3 the normal time and gives much better penetration. My personal experience is that I make the marinade a lot less stronger since the machine pulls it into the meet as opposed to waiting for osmosis to work. BTW, you can use any of their canisters to do the same thing as well. Just make sure the meat is covered with marinade and you are set. Robert |
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you are the second person to say this. it was around $17.00 at Sam's or
walmart the other day, Lee -- Have a wonderful day > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:58:04 -0500, "Stormmee" > > wrote: > >>ok so i just bought a v 2420 thinking it would help with several issues. >>but >>i am posting here because they sell a seperate maranating box, do any of >>you >>have/use this to marinate and what would be the advantages of it over just >>sealing in the bag... any other tips/tricks/opinions or places to get the >>bag materials cheaply would be very appreciated, Lee > > > I bought the FoodSaver marinating container and after using it about > three times it would no longer seal. I cleaned the rim and the gasket > material several times but, it refuses to seal. > Don't remember exactly what I paid for it but, it wasn't cheap. > We use the FoodSaver for many things and really like it but, that > particular accessory was a waste of money. > Everyone's MMV. > > Ross. |
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On 29-Sep-2009, Sqwertz > wrote: > On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:10:36 GMT, Brick wrote: > > > I've never been able to get "Glad" or "Ziploc" bags to hold a > > vacuum. With my snorkel sealer, I don't need the extra > > corragated strip to facilitate evacuating the bag. But they > > don't hold a vacuum after I seal them. I'll try it like you > > describe and see what happens. > > The kind of plastic those are made of are inherently porous. No > matter how you seal the bag, they will never hold even the smallest > of vacuums. > > This is why true vacuum bags are made of Nylon, IIRC (making them > more expensive). > > Kent is the only one who as ever insisted they can hold a vacuum. > They don't. > > -sw For anyone that cares, the bags I buy for my snorkel machine are 3 mil mylar. Sharp bones puncture them pretty easily. Thicker bags are readily available, but quite a bit more expensive. -- Brick said that. |
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On 29-Sep-2009, Sqwertz > wrote: > On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:06:49 GMT, Brick wrote: > > > > I just bought a case (500) of 8 inch by 11-1/2 inch channel bags from > > Sorbent Systems (sorbentsystems.com). > > Are they back to selling channel bags again? For years they > wouldn't sell them. > > -sw Oddly enough they do sell bags, but not rolls. The channel pattern used is trapazoidal instead of octagonal like foodsaver. They sold me a case, so I guess they do sell them. -- Brick (Youth is wasted on young people) |
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which brings me to another question, can i mix brands of bags with the food
saver or do i need to stick with the actual food saver material? Lee -- Have a wonderful day "Brick" > wrote in message ster.com... > > On 29-Sep-2009, Sqwertz > wrote: > >> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:06:49 GMT, Brick wrote: >> >> >> > I just bought a case (500) of 8 inch by 11-1/2 inch channel bags from >> > Sorbent Systems (sorbentsystems.com). >> >> Are they back to selling channel bags again? For years they >> wouldn't sell them. >> >> -sw > > Oddly enough they do sell bags, but not rolls. The channel pattern > used is trapazoidal instead of octagonal like foodsaver. They sold > me a case, so I guess they do sell them. > > -- > Brick (Youth is wasted on young people) |
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On 30-Sep-2009, "Stormmee" > wrote: > which brings me to another question, can i mix brands of bags with the > food > saver or do i need to stick with the actual food saver material? Lee > > -- > Have a wonderful day > > "Brick" > wrote in message > ster.com... > > > > On 29-Sep-2009, Sqwertz > wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:06:49 GMT, Brick wrote: > >> > >> > >> > I just bought a case (500) of 8 inch by 11-1/2 inch channel bags > >> > from > >> > Sorbent Systems (sorbentsystems.com). > >> > >> Are they back to selling channel bags again? For years they > >> wouldn't sell them. > >> > >> -sw > > > > Oddly enough they do sell bags, but not rolls. The channel pattern > > used is trapazoidal instead of octagonal like foodsaver. They sold > > me a case, so I guess they do sell them. > > > > -- > > Brick (Youth is wasted on young people) The machines don't know the difference. Only the vendors and the patent office care. Just make sure that you're using channel bags in a "foodsaver" type machine or plain bags in a snorkel machine. If you're fortunate enough to afford a chamber machine, it don't care what kind of bags you use as long as they'll hold a vacuum. -- Brick (Youth is wasted on young people) |
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> wrote in message ... > On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:58:04 -0500, "Stormmee" > > wrote: > >>ok so i just bought a v 2420 thinking it would help with several issues. >>but >>i am posting here because they sell a seperate maranating box, do any of >>you >>have/use this to marinate and what would be the advantages of it over just >>sealing in the bag... any other tips/tricks/opinions or places to get the >>bag materials cheaply would be very appreciated, Lee > > > I bought the FoodSaver marinating container and after using it about > three times it would no longer seal. I cleaned the rim and the gasket > material several times but, it refuses to seal. > Don't remember exactly what I paid for it but, it wasn't cheap. > We use the FoodSaver for many things and really like it but, that > particular accessory was a waste of money. > Everyone's MMV. > > Ross. Did you wash it by hand or in a dish washer? Matt |
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On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:08:44 -0400, "Matt" >
wrote: > > wrote in message .. . >> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:58:04 -0500, "Stormmee" >> > wrote: >> >>>ok so i just bought a v 2420 thinking it would help with several issues. >>>but >>>i am posting here because they sell a seperate maranating box, do any of >>>you >>>have/use this to marinate and what would be the advantages of it over just >>>sealing in the bag... any other tips/tricks/opinions or places to get the >>>bag materials cheaply would be very appreciated, Lee >> >> >> I bought the FoodSaver marinating container and after using it about >> three times it would no longer seal. I cleaned the rim and the gasket >> material several times but, it refuses to seal. >> Don't remember exactly what I paid for it but, it wasn't cheap. >> We use the FoodSaver for many things and really like it but, that >> particular accessory was a waste of money. >> Everyone's MMV. >> >> Ross. > >Did you wash it by hand or in a dish washer? > >Matt Always by hand. Ross. |
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so since i have the food saver the big deal is type of bag, channel, right?
Lee taking notes and saving posts, Lee -- Have a wonderful day "Brick" > wrote in message ster.com... > > On 30-Sep-2009, "Stormmee" > wrote: > >> which brings me to another question, can i mix brands of bags with the >> food >> saver or do i need to stick with the actual food saver material? Lee >> >> -- >> Have a wonderful day >> >> "Brick" > wrote in message >> ster.com... >> > >> > On 29-Sep-2009, Sqwertz > wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:06:49 GMT, Brick wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > I just bought a case (500) of 8 inch by 11-1/2 inch channel bags >> >> > from >> >> > Sorbent Systems (sorbentsystems.com). >> >> >> >> Are they back to selling channel bags again? For years they >> >> wouldn't sell them. >> >> >> >> -sw >> > >> > Oddly enough they do sell bags, but not rolls. The channel pattern >> > used is trapazoidal instead of octagonal like foodsaver. They sold >> > me a case, so I guess they do sell them. >> > >> > -- >> > Brick (Youth is wasted on young people) > > The machines don't know the difference. Only the vendors and the > patent office care. Just make sure that you're using channel bags > in a "foodsaver" type machine or plain bags in a snorkel machine. > If you're fortunate enough to afford a chamber machine, it don't > care what kind of bags you use as long as they'll hold a vacuum. > > -- > Brick (Youth is wasted on young people) |
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On 1-Oct-2009, "Stormmee" > wrote: > so since i have the food saver the big deal is type of bag, channel, > right? > Lee taking notes and saving posts, Lee > > -- > Have a wonderful day > > "Brick" > wrote in message > ster.com... .. . . > > > > The machines don't know the difference. Only the vendors and the > > patent office care. Just make sure that you're using channel bags > > in a "foodsaver" type machine or plain bags in a snorkel machine. > > If you're fortunate enough to afford a chamber machine, it don't > > care what kind of bags you use as long as they'll hold a vacuum. > > -- Brick (Youth is wasted on young people) |
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