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Subway Veggie Burger Nutrition Information.
"Dave" > wrote in message
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> rick wrote:
>> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
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>> > rick wrote:
>> > [snip]
>> >> >> How do I know? because I know the farmer that is
>> >> >> raising
>> >> >> them.
>> >> >> I can drive by and see them in the fields anytime I
>> >> >> like.
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> know
>> >> >> how he raises them.
>> >> >> Not really. Organic does not mean pesticide free dave.
>> >> >
>> >> > No but organic standards do impose restrictions on the
>> >> > range
>> >> > of chemicals that may be used and also on the
>> >> > circumstances
>> >> > under which they may be used. Also just because organic
>> >> > does
>> >> > not
>> >> > mean *cide free and you don't know any farms who grow
>> >> > *cide free veggies does not mean *cide free veggies do
>> >> > not
>> >> > exist.
>> >> ====================
>> >> I can assure you they are more rare than grass-fed beef and
>> >> free-range eggs.
>> >
>> > Sure, you can get grass fed beef in my country, although a
>> > portion
>> > of this is almost certainly hay and sileage since our
>> > climate
>> > is not
>> > really warm enough for high quality, fresh grass, year
>> > round.
>> > Also
>> > there is no such thing as a grass fed label. You can not
>> > walk
>> > down
>> > the meat aisle of any supermarket I am aware of and purchase
>> > beef labelled as grass-fed. You have to purchase direct from
>> > the farm.
>> > I don't believe they are any easier to get hold of than
>> > *cide
>> > free
>> > veggies.
>> >
>> >> Organic pesticides are not less toxic, and have fewer
>> >> restrictions on them than synthetic ones.
>> >
>> > Who told you that?
>>
>> http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf
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> That site certainly provides food for thought although it is
> worth
> noting that, like most sources including many that I quote, the
> CGFI does have an agenda. The claims made against organic
> agriculture are worth looking into. In the meanwhile here is
> another
> quote, admittedly from a source with a very strong agenda.
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> "The use of these pesticides is not widespread and they
> are only applied to a narrow range of crops, mainly top
> fruit and potatoes. Almost all other organic arable farming
> in the UK has no need, and no possibility, of using pesticides.
> No herbicides are permitted. They are used in small
> quantities on Soil Association farms and accounted for
> 0.4 per cent of total UK pesticide in 2003."
> http://www.soilassociation.org/web/sa/saweb.nsf/848d689047cb466780256a6b00298980/ff83a83e9c9e75ea80256e3600609101!OpenDocument
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> It occured to me that this statistic was meaningless without
> reference to the per cent total of UK crop production that
> organic production accounted for so I did a quick google and
> found an article on the BBC website that said less than 3
> per cent of agricultural production in the UK was organic.
> The implication is that at least in the UK organic uses less
> pesticides on average. It seems reasonable to suppose
> that the organic movement is tainted by a prejudice against
> the synthetic but my current impression remains favourable
> overall, pending further research.
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