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Dave
 
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dh@. wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2006 15:55:57 -0800, "Dave" > wrote:
>
> >
> >dh@. wrote:
> >> On 14 Jan 2006 05:50:01 -0800, wrote:
> >>
> >> >We do not eat meat for the same reason cited by you. We eat eggs from
> >> >cage free chickens
> >>
> >> More on the chicken thing. Since most broiler chickens have decent
> >> but short lives,

> >
> >Unlikely.
> >
> >> eating chicken most often contributes to decent lives for
> >> chickens, along with the associated cds.

> >
> >What does the term "food conversion ratio" mean to you dhld?

>
> Little or nothing


When you consume a broiler chicken you also indirectly consume all
the crops grown to feed that chicken.

> in regards to whether or not it's cruel to animals to
> raise them for food,


I believe modern industrial methods of animal so-called farming
are cruel. I don't believe raising animals for food is cruel per-se.

> which is what I consider to be the main issue.


It is one of the main issues. Environmental impact is the other.
>
> >> Eating meat substitutes like the
> >> following:
> >>
> >> Worthington Meatless Chicken, Turkey, Ham, Vegetarian Hot Dogs
> >> and Prosage Patties
> >>
> >> Lightlife Chicken Nuggets and Chicken Patties
> >>
> >> Boca Meatless Chick'n and Breakfast Patties
> >>
> >> Quorn Meat-Free Patties, Nuggets and Cutlets
> >>
> >> Morningstar Farms Garden Veggie Patties, Chick Patties,
> >> Chik'n Nuggets, Corn Dogs
> >>
> >> contributes to cds associated with raising chickens, plus those
> >> associated with the veggies in the products, plus it contributes
> >> to the battery method of raising hens

> >
> >Presumably the poster you are replying to would not eat the
> >products on those grounds.

>
> Maybe. It's more certain that he/she would not eat products
> in order to deliberately contribute to decent lives for animals
> raised to eat.


With all that spinning you do you must spend your life feeling dizzy.

> >> since those products all
> >> contain egg whites. Those "veg*n" products come out on the
> >> less ethical side of real chicken, imo.