"Phil Odox" > wrote in message
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> rick wrote:
>> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>rick wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Phil Odox" > wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>usual suspect wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Phil Odox wrote:
>>>>>><...>
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>>>>>>>I've dealt with your repeated list of pesticides a while
>>>>>>>ago
>>>>>>>by telling you that such measures aren't at all necessary
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>grow vegetables,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They *are* necessary
>>>>>
>>>>>No they aren't. Whole forests grow around the world without
>>>>>the
>>>>>use of any pesticides at all, and without our having to kill
>>>>>animals, so to claim that vegetables cannot grow without
>>>>>killing
>>>>>any animals or the use of pesticides is a lie and easily
>>>>>debunked.
>>>>
>>>>========================
>>>>Then do it fool.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I've done so already by providing the forest example. If
>>>ancient
>>>forests can exist without our having to kill animals and the
>>>use
>>>of pesticides, then so can other vegetation such as the
>>>vegetables
>>>and fruits I eat.
>>>
> No response to that, eh killer?
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many many times already fool. Forests aren't crops. Now show me
all those fields of wild potatoes you talked about, killer.
>
>>>
>>>>>Your attempt to drag vegetarians down to your level by
>>>>>insisting
>>>>>they kill animals shows you know that the killing of animals
>>>>>is
>>>>>wrong and that what you do is immoral. That's why you're
>>>>>here on
>>>>>a vegetarian board; you want to throw sticks at those who
>>>>>occupy
>>>>>a higher moral status than you.
>>>>
>>>>==========================
>>>>ROTFLMAO Your twisting in the wind
>>>
>>>No, I'm explaining the reason behind your refusal to concede
>>>simple
>>>facts. Publicly admitting the fact that a vegetarian *can* eat
>>>without
>>>killing animals and using pesticides ruins your efforts to
>>>drag them
>>>down to your level, but it's something you must do if you want
>>>to
>>>convince them you have any credibility left at all.
>>><cut>
>>
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>> Thanks for again proving that animals are of no concern to you
>
> That desperate little aside doesn't address the points I've
> just made.
> When and where are you going to summon the courage to admit
> that a
> vegetarian *CAN* eat a meal without killing animals, Rick?
> ===========================
You *CANNOT* live on veggies without causeing death to animals.
Too hard for your 2 braincells to understand, killer?
>> You cannot eat without killing animals fool
>
> Of course you can, but your dishonesty isn't going to allow you
> to admit
> that fact because doing so will ruin your efforts to bring
> vegetarians
> down to your animal-killing level. That's all you're here for
> on this
> vegan board: to try and drag the participants down to your
> level. That
> alone shows you realise your level is lower than that of the
> people you
> lie to here.
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More dishonest snipping that proves you have lost, killer.
http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm
http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm
http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf
http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html
http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm
http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm
http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html
http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html
http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html
http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135
http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf
http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html
http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm
http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm
http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml
http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c
http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html
http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm
http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm
http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml
http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5
http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html
http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf
http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm
http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm
http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html
http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm
http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf
Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either,
here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton.
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm
To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field,
here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there
can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field.
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs
/natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8
http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf
http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and
maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple
dealing with power and communications.
http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html