"usual suspect" > wrote in message
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> Scented Nectar wrote:
> >>>>>>>Killer of some bugs and a few
> >>>>>>>worms.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You are refusing to recognize the deaths of the many invertebrates,
> >>>
> >>>birds
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>and mammals that your comfortable lifestyle is built upon. Your weak
> >>>>>>attempts to dismiss them by using words like "mostly wrong" are
> >
> > pathetic
> >
> >>>>>and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>immoral in the extreme. You insist on creating this glorified image
of
> >>>>>>yourself, but refuse to acknowledge either the animals that die to
> >
> > serve
> >
> >>>>>>your daily wants and needs, or those people who do better than you
but
> >>>
> >>>who
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>don't follow your rules. You are a perfect example of the
> >
> > closed-minded
> >
> >>>>>>bigotry that "veganism" creates.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Immoral in the extreme?
> >
> > Do you see a scale to wrongness?
>
> No.
Just to immorality?
> >>>>Yes.
> >>>
> >>>Do you personally find the
> >>>cds to be immoral?
> >>
> >>I don't think "killing animals is wrong." You do. Your consumption
> >>doesn't do anything to diminish animal deaths.
> >
> > You already know that that in
> > fact it does.
>
> No, I disagree with your assumption that the absence of meat on a plate
> means you've done anything to reduce animal deaths.
Then we disagree.
> >>>>>Glorified image?
> >>>>
> >>>>Yes.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>No more than any other person of
> >>>>>good self esteem.
> >>>>
> >>>>The difference is most people acquire their esteem from successful
> >>>>endeavors. You build yours through what you eat/won't eat, and through
> >>>>your chronic buck-passing.
> >>>
> >>>There is nothing wrong with
> >>>feeling good about what I eat.
> >>
> >>To call yourself "successful" as you have on the basis of what you eat
> >>IS wrong.
> >
> > What I eat is only part of
> > who I am,
>
> Why do you define yourself in any degree by what you eat?
I define myself in many ways, but
here the topic is vegetarianism.
Of course I'm going to talk about
food and what it means to me.
> > but there is
> > nothing wrong with feeling
> > good about what I eat.
>
> It's a phony sense of achievement for a completely phony person. It
> suits you.
Then what are you complaining about?
> >>>You do it yourself, don't you?
> >>
> >>No.
> >>
> >>
> >>>You seem to consider yourself
> >>>a flexitarian, if I'm not mistaken.
> >>
> >>I don't call myself anything with regard to what I eat anymore, nor do I
> >>engage in sanctimony about what I eat.
> >
> > That in itself is a belief system
> > regarding foods.
>
> No, it isn't.
>
> > What about
> > your desire to eat healthy foods?
>
> I don't define myself by that.
Would you define your diet
by that?
> > Would you still add that as a
> > label to what you eat?
>
> No.
Only because you hate labels
these days.
> >>>>>I fully realize
> >>>>>that cds happen,
> >>>>
> >>>>You do nothing to minimize them in your own consumption.
> >>>
> >>>My change from a meat
> >>>eater to veg was enough
> >>>of a change to drastically
> >>>reduce them.
> >>
> >>Not drastically at all. At best, insignificantly; at worst, you're
> >>actually causing more CDs than before because of all the imported and
> >>transported foods, reliance on "lethal" crops like grains and legumes,
> >>machine-harvesting, pesticides, etc.
> >
> > You know full well that the
> > meat industry uses tons and
> > tons more grains and legumes
> > than people do, and therefore
> > have more cds.
>
> And YOU know full well that you object only to the 1001st death -- you
> don't care than 1000 animals die, your sole protest is against the one
> killed for its meat.
>
> >>>I don't expect extremes from
> >>>myself, so I'm happy
> >>>enough from that.
> >>
> >>More weak spin. You don't expect yourself to do anything differently
> >>even after stating "killing animals is wrong."
> >
> > Mostly. Get it right, will you.
>
> I do indeed believe that killing animals is wrong...
> http://tinyurl.com/88pb4
>
> Want more examples where you never qualified it with "mostly" (which is
> irrelevant).
My latest quotes always have the
qualifier as that's more what I
really mean.
> >>>>>but I also see
> >>>>>that animal products as a whole
> >>>>>cause much more.
> >>>>
> >>>>Tu quoque fallacy.
> >>>
> >>>It's no fallacy.
> >>
> >>Look it up, dumb ass. Your argument rests on a tu quoque fallacy.
> >>http://www.cuyamaca.net/bruce.thomps...s/tuquoque.asp
> >
> > I'm not saying meat is bad too.
> > I'm saying it's worse.
>
> Same fallacy, you dumb ass.
Same comparison, same results.
> >>>>>If you want
> >>>>>to discuss the fringe meat Rick
> >>>>>eats, let's compare it to vegan
> >>>>>food someone has grown with
> >>>>>no cds.
> >>>>
> >>>>You would still be objecting only to +1 (1001st) death.
> >>>
> >>>No.
> >>
> >>Yes.
> >>
> >>
> >>>It would be 1 death to 0 deaths.
> >>
> >>Wrong. Garden and you *will* kill something.
> >
> > We'll see about that.
>
> You sure will, ****.
Now now, it's not your mother
you're talking to. Maybe you
talk that way at home but this
is a public newsgroup and
there may be kids reading
this.
--
SN
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