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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
... > Scented Nectar wrote: > >>>>>>>Killer of some bugs and a few > >>>>>>>worms. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>You are refusing to recognize the deaths of the many invertebrates, > >>> > >>>birds > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>and mammals that your comfortable lifestyle is built upon. Your weak > >>>>>>attempts to dismiss them by using words like "mostly wrong" are > > > > pathetic > > > >>>>>and > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>immoral in the extreme. You insist on creating this glorified image of > >>>>>>yourself, but refuse to acknowledge either the animals that die to > > > > serve > > > >>>>>>your daily wants and needs, or those people who do better than you but > >>> > >>>who > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>don't follow your rules. You are a perfect example of the > > > > closed-minded > > > >>>>>>bigotry that "veganism" creates. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Immoral in the extreme? > > > > Do you see a scale to wrongness? > > No. Just to immorality? > >>>>Yes. > >>> > >>>Do you personally find the > >>>cds to be immoral? > >> > >>I don't think "killing animals is wrong." You do. Your consumption > >>doesn't do anything to diminish animal deaths. > > > > You already know that that in > > fact it does. > > No, I disagree with your assumption that the absence of meat on a plate > means you've done anything to reduce animal deaths. Then we disagree. > >>>>>Glorified image? > >>>> > >>>>Yes. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>No more than any other person of > >>>>>good self esteem. > >>>> > >>>>The difference is most people acquire their esteem from successful > >>>>endeavors. You build yours through what you eat/won't eat, and through > >>>>your chronic buck-passing. > >>> > >>>There is nothing wrong with > >>>feeling good about what I eat. > >> > >>To call yourself "successful" as you have on the basis of what you eat > >>IS wrong. > > > > What I eat is only part of > > who I am, > > Why do you define yourself in any degree by what you eat? I define myself in many ways, but here the topic is vegetarianism. Of course I'm going to talk about food and what it means to me. > > but there is > > nothing wrong with feeling > > good about what I eat. > > It's a phony sense of achievement for a completely phony person. It > suits you. Then what are you complaining about? > >>>You do it yourself, don't you? > >> > >>No. > >> > >> > >>>You seem to consider yourself > >>>a flexitarian, if I'm not mistaken. > >> > >>I don't call myself anything with regard to what I eat anymore, nor do I > >>engage in sanctimony about what I eat. > > > > That in itself is a belief system > > regarding foods. > > No, it isn't. > > > What about > > your desire to eat healthy foods? > > I don't define myself by that. Would you define your diet by that? > > Would you still add that as a > > label to what you eat? > > No. Only because you hate labels these days. > >>>>>I fully realize > >>>>>that cds happen, > >>>> > >>>>You do nothing to minimize them in your own consumption. > >>> > >>>My change from a meat > >>>eater to veg was enough > >>>of a change to drastically > >>>reduce them. > >> > >>Not drastically at all. At best, insignificantly; at worst, you're > >>actually causing more CDs than before because of all the imported and > >>transported foods, reliance on "lethal" crops like grains and legumes, > >>machine-harvesting, pesticides, etc. > > > > You know full well that the > > meat industry uses tons and > > tons more grains and legumes > > than people do, and therefore > > have more cds. > > And YOU know full well that you object only to the 1001st death -- you > don't care than 1000 animals die, your sole protest is against the one > killed for its meat. > > >>>I don't expect extremes from > >>>myself, so I'm happy > >>>enough from that. > >> > >>More weak spin. You don't expect yourself to do anything differently > >>even after stating "killing animals is wrong." > > > > Mostly. Get it right, will you. > > I do indeed believe that killing animals is wrong... > http://tinyurl.com/88pb4 > > Want more examples where you never qualified it with "mostly" (which is > irrelevant). My latest quotes always have the qualifier as that's more what I really mean. > >>>>>but I also see > >>>>>that animal products as a whole > >>>>>cause much more. > >>>> > >>>>Tu quoque fallacy. > >>> > >>>It's no fallacy. > >> > >>Look it up, dumb ass. Your argument rests on a tu quoque fallacy. > >>http://www.cuyamaca.net/bruce.thomps...s/tuquoque.asp > > > > I'm not saying meat is bad too. > > I'm saying it's worse. > > Same fallacy, you dumb ass. Same comparison, same results. > >>>>>If you want > >>>>>to discuss the fringe meat Rick > >>>>>eats, let's compare it to vegan > >>>>>food someone has grown with > >>>>>no cds. > >>>> > >>>>You would still be objecting only to +1 (1001st) death. > >>> > >>>No. > >> > >>Yes. > >> > >> > >>>It would be 1 death to 0 deaths. > >> > >>Wrong. Garden and you *will* kill something. > > > > We'll see about that. > > You sure will, ****. Now now, it's not your mother you're talking to. Maybe you talk that way at home but this is a public newsgroup and there may be kids reading this. -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites. Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button. |
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