In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, "Dutch" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >, "Dutch" >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article >, "Dutch"
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Ron" > wrote
> >> >> >> [..]
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > The vegan mitigates their responsibility by following all the
> >> >> >> >> > rules
> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > the laws associated with killing animals.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> There are no rules and laws associated with killing animals, no
> >> >> >> >> such
> >> >> >> >> law
> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> even feasible. Vegans have fabricated a morality outside the
> >> >> >> >> normal
> >> >> >> >> one,
> >> >> >> >> with moral rules involving animals that go far beyond it, yet
> >> >> >> >> they
> >> >> >> >> live
> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> the comfort and protection of the normal moral system with it's
> >> >> >> >> cheap
> >> >> >> >> affordable food and health care. If they are going to preach an
> >> >> >> >> outlandish
> >> >> >> >> moral system and preach to me that I ought to follow it, they
> >> >> >> >> need
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> follow
> >> >> >> >> it first. Cutting down on animal products is not nearly enough
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> validate
> >> >> >> >> their alleged moral system.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "Normal moral system?" What's that about. I was taught to eat
> >> >> >> > meat
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> > was taught which meats were acceptable and socially acceptable
> >> >> >> > eat.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Customs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank you. Customs are taught and learned. They are not biological
> >> >> > or
> >> >> > genetic. They are common and popular.
> >> >>
> >> >> Therefore bad according to you.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Of course, your argument has been disputed and your simply
> >> >> >> > ignored
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > formations that clearly demonstrated the double standard that you
> >> >> >> > applied to the vegan.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Not at all, you have utterly misconstrued the arguments all along
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> way.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > Come on, Dutch. You lost.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Phaw.. in your dreams. Wake up!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I clearly demonstrated this. When your own logic was presented
> >> >> >> > with
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > different example, you simply commented that you didn't have the
> >> >> >> > time
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > do all that was necessary to follow through.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Your examples were nothing but a convoluted mess based on
> >> >> >> fallacies. I
> >> >> >> do
> >> >> >> not have the time to completely untangle your mixed-up thinking,
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> must
> >> >> >> do
> >> >> >> some of the work yourself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > the work was done. All the was required was that you clarify why you
> >> >> > applied one standard to the vegan and another to yourself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> If you would learn to listen, instead of playing devil's advocate
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> every
> >> >> >> point to attempt to "score", you might get somewhere. Playing
> >> >> >> devil's
> >> >> >> advocate is exactly as valid as agreeing with everything you read.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Listen? I'm reading your comments.
> >> >>
> >> >> You're reading but graspinf anything. I typically make a series of
> >> >> replies
> >> >> in a post, most of which you breeze over because you are being
> >> >> corrected,
> >> >> than you insert some non-sequitor knee-jerk remark at the end.
> >> >>
> >> >> Your approach is WORTHLESS.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Where you consider me being Devil's Advocate, I consider you blindly
> >> >> > introjecting what is spoonfed.
> >> >>
> >> >> False, unlike you I do NOT blindly reject that which is "spoonfed" in
> >> >> favour
> >> >> of irrational claptrap.
> >> >
> >> > Dutch, others can read this as well as the fact the archives of this
> >> > discussion will be around for a bit of time.
> >>
> >> Mores the pity for you, flyweight.
> >>
> >> > I have clearly given you opportunities to clarify information which you
> >> > have posted and asked me to accept simply because it is common.
> >>
> >> Your "opportunities to clarify" are nonsensical, they're poses. You're
> >> not
> >> bright and you're proving it.
> >
> > Astonish me then.
>
> You are unavailable for processing incoming information, except to knee-jerk
> reject it.
>
> > Which point from the website that you asked me to read
> > should we review, publicly. Do you need to check with the clique before
> > you can respond?
>
> How about this part..
>
> Myth: No one has ever died from using marijuana
> The Kaiser study also found that daily pot users have a 30% higher risk of
> injuries, presumably from accidents. These figures are significant, though
> not as high as comparable risks for heavy drinkers or tobacco addicts. That
> pot can cause accidents is scarcely surprising, since marijuana has been
> shown to degrade short-term memory, concentration, judgment, and
> coordination at complex tasks including driving.(1) There have been numerous
> reports of pot-related accidents --- some of them fatal, belying the
> attractive myth that no one has ever died from marijuana. One survey of 1023
> emergency room trauma patients in Baltimore found that fully 34.7% were
> under the influence of marijuana, more even than alcohol (33.5%); half of
> these (16.5%) used both pot and alcohol in combination.(2) This is perhaps
> the most troublesome research ever reported about marijuana; as we shall
> see, other accident studies have generally found pot to be less dangerous
> than alcohol. Nonetheless, it is important to be informed on all sides of
> the issue. Pot smokers should be aware that accidents are the number one
> hazard of moderate pot use. In addition, of course, the psychoactive effects
> of cannabis can have many other adverse effects on performance, school work,
> and productivity.

Are you prepared to defend this study? Cut and paste is not a substitute
for clear thinking.