On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:54:35 +0100, "pearl" > wrote:
>"Digger" > wrote in message ...
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:44:29 GMT, "John Coleman" > wrote:
>> >"Digger" > wrote in message ...
>> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:53:07 GMT, "John Coleman" > wrote:
>> >> >"Digger" > wrote in message ...
>> >> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:10:50 -0400, "magnulus" >wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Isn't a human an animal,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We are mammals by virtue of the female of our species
>> >> >> having mammary glands. (thank you, Lord)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >so wouldn't human breast milk be an "animal
>> >> >> >byproduct"?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, and therefore a non-vegan source of food.
>> >> >
>> >> >incorrect - you need to start with a valid definition of
>> >> >veganism, then work from there
>> >>
>> >> Milk is an animal product and thereby non-vegan by default.
>> >
>> >incorrect
>>
>> Then you must allow all diary users to announce themselves
>> as vegan.
>>
>> >- please start with the right defiition
>> >
>> >as stated befo
>> >"Today, the Society remains as determined as ever to promote vegan
>> >lifestyles - that is, ways of living that seek to exclude, as far as is
>> >possible and practical, all forms of exploitation of animals for food,
>> >clothing or any other purpose. "
>> >http://www.vegansociety.com/html/about_us/
>>
>> And where, in any of that does it conclude milk to be
>> a vegan source of nourishment?
>
>Human breast milk doesn't involve exploitation of animals.

Nevertheless, milk is not a vegan source of nourishment.
True vegans abstain from all animal products, including
milk.

>> They avoid animal products for other reasons apart from
>> its exploitative component. "It applies to the practice
>> of living on the products of the plant kingdom to the
>> exclusion of flesh, fish, fowl, eggs, honey, animal milk and
>> its derivatives, and encourages the use of alternatives for
>> all commodities derived wholly or in part from animals."
>> http://www.vegsource.com/jo/essays/namegame.htm
>
>'Animal milk' here, would not include human breast milk.

Yes, it would. Humans are animals, and animal milk is a
non-vegan food source. Vegan mothers who believe their
infants are also vegan are badly mistaken.