On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:54:35 +0100, "pearl" > wrote:
>"Digger" > wrote in message ...
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:44:29 GMT, "John Coleman" > wrote:
>> >"Digger" > wrote in message ...
>> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:53:07 GMT, "John Coleman" > wrote:
>> >> >"Digger" > wrote in message ...
>> >> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:10:50 -0400, "magnulus" >wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Isn't a human an animal,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We are mammals by virtue of the female of our species
>> >> >> having mammary glands. (thank you, Lord)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >so wouldn't human breast milk be an "animal
>> >> >> >byproduct"?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, and therefore a non-vegan source of food.
>> >> >
>> >> >incorrect - you need to start with a valid definition of
>> >> >veganism, then work from there
>> >>
>> >> Milk is an animal product and thereby non-vegan by default.
>> >
>> >incorrect
>>
>> Then you must allow all diary users to announce themselves
>> as vegan.
>>
>> >- please start with the right defiition
>> >
>> >as stated befo
>> >"Today, the Society remains as determined as ever to promote vegan
>> >lifestyles - that is, ways of living that seek to exclude, as far as is
>> >possible and practical, all forms of exploitation of animals for food,
>> >clothing or any other purpose. "
>> >http://www.vegansociety.com/html/about_us/
>>
>> And where, in any of that does it conclude milk to be
>> a vegan source of nourishment?
>
>Human breast milk doesn't involve exploitation of animals.

Nevertheless, milk is not a vegan source of nourishment.
True vegans abstain from all animal products, including
milk.

>> They avoid animal products for other reasons apart from
>> its exploitative component. "It applies to the practice
>> of living on the products of the plant kingdom to the
>> exclusion of flesh, fish, fowl, eggs, honey, animal milk and
>> its derivatives, and encourages the use of alternatives for
>> all commodities derived wholly or in part from animals."
>> http://www.vegsource.com/jo/essays/namegame.htm
>
>'Animal milk' here, would not include human breast milk.

Yes, it would. Humans are animals, and animal milk is a
non-vegan food source. Vegan mothers who believe their
infants are also vegan are badly mistaken.

"Digger" > wrote in message ...
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:54:35 +0100, "pearl" > wrote:
> >"Digger" > wrote in message ...
> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:44:29 GMT, "John Coleman" > wrote:
> >> >"Digger" > wrote in message ...
<..>
> >> >> Milk is an animal product and thereby non-vegan by default.
> >> >
> >> >incorrect
> >>
> >> Then you must allow all diary users to announce themselves
> >> as vegan.
> >>
> >> >- please start with the right defiition
> >> >
> >> >as stated befo
> >> >"Today, the Society remains as determined as ever to promote vegan
> >> >lifestyles - that is, ways of living that seek to exclude, as far as is
> >> >possible and practical, all forms of exploitation of animals for food,
> >> >clothing or any other purpose. "
> >> >http://www.vegansociety.com/html/about_us/
> >>
> >> And where, in any of that does it conclude milk to be
> >> a vegan source of nourishment?
> >
> >Human breast milk doesn't involve exploitation of animals.
>
> Nevertheless, milk is not a vegan source of nourishment.
> True vegans abstain from all animal products, including
> milk.

You're not implying that a vegan parent who breastfeeds their baby
isn't a 'true vegan', but that the baby of said vegans is 'vegetarian'?

> >> They avoid animal products for other reasons apart from
> >> its exploitative component. "It applies to the practice
> >> of living on the products of the plant kingdom to the
> >> exclusion of flesh, fish, fowl, eggs, honey, animal milk and
> >> its derivatives, and encourages the use of alternatives for
> >> all commodities derived wholly or in part from animals."
> >> http://www.vegsource.com/jo/essays/namegame.htm
> >
> >'Animal milk' here, would not include human breast milk.
>
> Yes, it would. Humans are animals, and animal milk is a
> non-vegan food source. Vegan mothers who believe their
> infants are also vegan are badly mistaken.

I'd call a suckling baby 'vegetarian', myself. But 'veganism'
does not seek to prohibit or exclude breast milk, being as
it is, the best food for babies. It was that superficial kind of
understanding that led to the baby Swinton (sp?) case. Yes?