"Todd" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/13/2014 11:56 AM, Oren wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 14:11:59 -0700, Todd > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I just posted a really fast food recipe over on Mark's site
>>> that I though you guys might be interested in. It is for when
>>> you are really tired and just want to eat. It is a bit
>>> of a treat, due to the secret ingredient (you will have
>>> to read the thread).
>>>
>>> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1550829
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Good Appetite!
>>>
>>
>> Todd,
>>
>> I just came to this group a few days ago. Found out I'm pre-diabetic.
>>
>> Folks here are talking crap about you and I know you have them in the
>> kill file. You know a little bit about my recent health problems,
>> hospitalization, testing, etc.
>>
>> I'm looking at the link you posted to that site. Sounds interesting as
>> I need to make some life changes. I'll read more.
>>
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwRrKaq0IyY>
>>
>> :-) Oren
>>
>
> Hi Oren,
>
> Loved the link. The Trophy Wife laughs whenever
> I play it. She really thinks it is funny.
>
> This group can get on the nasty side at times.
> Some of the drugs, especially Metformin, cause you
> to get depressed, making you paranoid delusional.
> You think everyone if picking on you. Makes from
> some real sparks on groups like these. I had it
> real bad. Had to do a lot of apologizing when I
> finally got the s*** out of my system.

*You* can be nasty too Todd. Such as going to other newsgroups and saying
bad things about me there.
>
> Metformin also causes hair loss, skin spots, sometimes
> permanent insomnia, memory loss, cognitive decline,
> spewing diarrhea, and depression (you act like
> an ass hole).

This may have happened to Todd, but these are not documented side effects at
all.
>
> Pre-diabetic is really easy to fix. You just have to
> scale back on the carbs: switch to burning fat, eat
> plants that have not been artificially hybridized for
> unnatural amounts of carbohydrates, and meat.

Were you ever pre-diabetic Todd? It is not easy to fix. My daughter has
it. Her BG is now always in range but she still has pre-diabetes. And
unless you address the insulin resistance which was severe in her case,
things aren't going to get better. She takes Metformin. No issues after
she switched to a specific brand and cut back on the dose. She did have
stomach issues.
>
> Basically, what you will be doing is going back to the
> was your ancestors ate for 99% of human history. The
> human engine was not designed for high carbs.

I don't think anyone here eats high carbs Todd.
>
> And once you get going at it, it is really kind of fun.
> You get to eat like a "Real Man", barbecue and all!
> (Oh, I am going to catch s*** over that one!)

Mm hm.
>
> Since you are only pre-diabetic, you can probably
> get you numbers down by lowering your carbs to
> less than 100 grams per day, 25 max per meal.
> Basically, you will want to discontinue grains
> (wheat, rice, soy, corn) and high carb fruits
> (apples, oranges, bananas). Also stay away
> from potatoes and beans. And stay away from
> cured meats. Go as natural or organic as you
> can. Help if you have a community farm nearby.

You are just pulling numbers out of a hat. There is no one size fits all.
A better suggestion might be to have his Dr. order a C-Peptide test to see
just how insulin resistant he really is. The Dr. could then decide what the
best treatment would be. He might need to see an Endocrinologist to do
that.
>
> I am on 60 per day, 15 max per meal. And currently
> on 30 max per day until the stinkin' tumbleweeds
> calm down. If your numbers don't come down,
> just keep lowering your carbs.

That never worked for me, Todd. We're all different. What I did recently
learn was that I might have intolerances to corn, potatoes and barley and a
few other thing. But those were the big three. I was eating them at least
twice a week. I have merely removed those from my diet and voila! All of a
sudden my BG is in range almost all of the time. The first two days it was
higher than it should be about half of the time but it is been almost in
range for a full 24 hours now. I think my highest number was 154. I even
pigged out on some crackers I made at 4:00 a.m. and I woke up to 124. So as
you can see, there is no one size fits all.

Note that I am not trying to imply that everyone has food intolerances. But
it would seem that for Tawley Trash (who doesn't seem to be posting at the
moment) and me, this certainly is the case.
>
> Walmart has the best price on meters and supplies.
>
This would be a moot point if he has insurance to cover these things.

> Here is a good place to start counting carbs:
> http://nutritiondata.self.com
> Look carefully at the "Glycemic Load". The lower
> the better. You want to avoid spikes. Spikes are
> what causes all the damage.

This might work for some people but it is a badly flawed notion.
>
> Here is good place to start with both diet and
> lifestyle:
> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/defin...mal-blueprint/
> Start by just reading the chapter headers.

That's debatable.
>
> The lifestyle is very important. And you don't have to
> be perfect or obsess over it. Note the part about eating
> with friends/family/loved ones. And do not forget, as
> the Chayenne say, "The brothers you find". (I have that
> whole quote, if you ever want it.)

Who are the Chayenne?
>
> For exercise, the best one is the one you will do.
> (I don't need an excuse to go fishing.)
>
> Start by taking a daily walk with your wife. If
> you have a dog, your wife and your dog. Wives
> love walks with their husbands as they get them all to
> their selves and get to talk about whatever they like.
> (If she isn't chattering the entire time, you are not
> doing it right.) The feedback of the shared love
> is really good for your spirit and your healing.

*I* am a wife. I don't love walks and I certainly wouldn't like one with my
husband! Please don't make rash assumptions.
>
> Remember, the dog goes beside you, not in front of you.
> Your are "Migrating", not "Seeking/hunting".

OMG! Now you are telling him how to walk a dog?
>
> Here is a great cooking group along the lines
> of what will heal you up:
> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/forum7.html
>
> And there is a recipe for everything over he
> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-paleo-recipes/
>
> One of these days, I am going to try the Enchilada
> recipe.
>
> And no one is on drugs and they cook low carb by choice.
> They are not angry over it, like you find on this
> and other diabetic groups. (Carbohydrate addiction
> has killed many a Diabetic.)

You are making rash statements again. People are angry at *you* here
because of the things you say to and about us.
>
> If you need some herbs to help, I have a running list.
> But you should be fine just lowering your carbs and getting
> off the artificial ultra high carb food like substances.
>
This may or may not be a safe route to go.

> I can also give you more stringent cooking site for
> full drug free diabetics, like myself, but that should
> not be an issue. If it is, you know where to find me.

Then why are you here, Todd? You seem to like that group better. Perhaps
it is a better place for you.
>
> Now go out and fire up the barbecue! Don't forget
> all the vegis you can smother in olive oil and
> cook along side the meat. Incredible! And if you are
> still hungry, EAT ANOTHER SAUSAGE! You are going to
> love this! And find some one to eat it with!

This may not be good advice either. You don't know if he has other medical
problems. And many sausages are loaded with nitrates.
>
> You must not look at this as a negative in your life.
> This is the beginning of a whole new experience
> that you are going to love. (The food is really,
> really good!)

That's debatable too.
>
> Rule: if it does not come from the produce section or
> the meat section, it isn't food. And some of that is
> not food either.

That's not true either. You yourself even mentioned olive oil which is in
neither of those places.
>
> -T
>
> I have a broccoli cheese soup that is so good! Let
> me know. That is if you can put the steak, chicken,
> sausages down.
>
> By the way, natural fat (not chemistry set) is
> not harmful to humans. It is the human engine's
> preferred source of energy. And you can actually
> survive just fine on a zero carb diet. You won't
> have to though.

That's not necessarily true either and there is the school of thought that
BBQing makes carcinogens. You couldn't pay me to eat BBQed food.