On 8/19/2013 3:45 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:

> On 8/15/2013 2:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 8/15/2013 2:23 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 8/12/2013 8:57 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 8/12/2013 5:10 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/2013 1:55 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/8/2013 12:54 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/7/2013 12:12 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/7/2013 10:45 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/2013 4:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 8/6/2013 3:45 PM,
>>>>>>>>> ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid, illiterate
>>>>>>>>>> cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing
>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>> but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> container. No
>>>>>>>>>>>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience
>>>>>>>>>>>> life" in
>>>>>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>>>>>> to produce this beef.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a
>>>>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>>>> flat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of
>>>>>>>>>>>> meat.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous
>>>>>>>>>>>> life:
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was
>>>>>>>>>>>> beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research
>>>>>>>>>>>> project,
>>>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured
>>>>>>>>>>>> beef in
>>>>>>>>>>>> London.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef
>>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>> from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food
>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis
>>>>>>>>>>>> as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>>>> used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>> nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of
>>>>>>>>>>>> meat. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional
>>>>>>>>>>>> burger,
>>>>>>>>>>>> making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press
>>>>>>>>>>>> reported.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the
>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>> *all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less
>>>>>>>>>>>> environmentally
>>>>>>>>>>>> destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then
>>>>>>>>>>>> billions
>>>>>>>>>>>> and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never
>>>>>>>>>>>> "get to
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans"
>>>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>>>> have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience
>>>>>>>>>>>> life"
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, that's a lie, *Gloo*. You have ****ed and moaned every step
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> way about anything that might reduce the number of livestock
>>>>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>>>>> "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it in your
>>>>>>>>>> shitty
>>>>>>>>>> cracker way or writing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your're
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <chortle>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lying again since
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not lying, *Gloo*. You have *always* and *only* been ****ing
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> panties over the fact that "vegans" want to prevent "future farm
>>>>>>>> animals" from existing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better
>>>>>>>>> way to put it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Existence, *Gloo*. That's all it is. Coming into existence *is*
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> you mean. You should just say it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No Goober.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *YES*, *Gloo*. When you talk about animals "getting to experience
>>>>>> life", all you're talking about is their existence...so that you can
>>>>>> consume them. That's the only thing that's important to you.
>>>>>> Everything
>>>>>> you say about something being important to or a "benefit" to them is
>>>>>> just your attempt at a bullshit smokescreen.
>>>>>
>>>>> For things that exist and have the
>>>>> benefit of experiencing life
>>>>
>>>> "getting to experience life" is not a benefit - proved beyond dispute.
>>>
>>> It clearly appears to be,
>>
>> No, and it isn't. It doesn't appear to be, and it isn't. Coming into
>> existence - "getting to experience life", in your wretchedly shitty
>> illiterate cracker expression - is not a benefit. It isn't, because it
>> doesn't improve welfare.
>
> No you can't and

Existence doesn't improve welfare versus never existing, *Gloo*. It
can't be a benefit.