It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
to produce this beef.

http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story


By Ricardo Lopez

August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.

For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.

The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
beef grown in a laboratory.

Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.

Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.

To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.

Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.

---------------------------------------------------------

So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
have anything to do with it.

I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
be meaningless. No one will care.

On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
> to produce this beef.
>

Does it smell like fish?

On 8/5/2013 3:10 PM, Witziges Rätsel wrote:
> On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>
>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
>> order
>> to produce this beef.
>>
>
> Does it smell like fish?

The meat grown in the laboratory required starter cells from cattle
that did exist.

On 8/5/2013 1:26 PM, Dakota wrote:
> On 8/5/2013 3:10 PM, Witziges Rätsel wrote:
>> On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>
>>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
>>> order
>>> to produce this beef.
>>>
>>
>> Does it smell like fish?
>
> The meat grown in the laboratory required starter cells from cattle that
> did exist.

Right, but ultimately it would be possible to produce massive amounts of
beef with just a few cattle to provide the stem cells. Hundreds of
millions, perhaps billion, of cattle lives would never occur.

On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:37:47 -0700, George Plimpton >
wrote:

>On 8/5/2013 1:26 PM, Dakota wrote:
>> On 8/5/2013 3:10 PM, Witziges Rätsel wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>>>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
>>>> order
>>>> to produce this beef.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Does it smell like fish?
>>
>> The meat grown in the laboratory required starter cells from cattle that
>> did exist.
>
>Right, but ultimately it would be possible to produce massive amounts of
>beef with just a few cattle to provide the stem cells. Hundreds of
>millions, perhaps billion, of cattle lives would never occur.

We can't do that - where would all those Hari Krishnas be reborn into?

On 8/5/2013 3:46 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:37:47 -0700, George Plimpton >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/5/2013 1:26 PM, Dakota wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2013 3:10 PM, Witziges Rätsel wrote:
>>>> On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>>>>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
>>>>> order
>>>>> to produce this beef.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does it smell like fish?
>>>
>>> The meat grown in the laboratory required starter cells from cattle that
>>> did exist.
>>
>> Right, but ultimately it would be possible to produce massive amounts of
>> beef with just a few cattle to provide the stem cells. Hundreds of
>> millions, perhaps billion, of cattle lives would never occur.
>
> We can't do that - where would all those Hari Krishnas be reborn into?

I think I see a solution to several problems in this laboratory work
being done.

In article >, Dakota >
wrote:

> On 8/5/2013 3:10 PM, Witziges Rätsel wrote:
> > On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> >>
> >> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
> >> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
> >> order
> >> to produce this beef.
> >>
> >
> > Does it smell like fish?
>
> The meat grown in the laboratory required starter cells from cattle
> that did exist.

They had a taste testing of lab-grown beef in London today:

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...grown-beef-tas
te-test-almost-like-a-burger/2013/08/05/921a5996-fdf4-11e2-96a8-d3b921c09
24a_story.html>

or

<http://wapo.st/1crojyJ>


Apparently, it tasted almost like a burger. Not bad for a first try.

And yet another sfnal concept is coming to the world.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

Le 2013-08-05 14:34, George Plimpton a écrit :
> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
> to produce this beef.

Just call me when they produce a porterhouse. Or bacon. Or a pork roast.
Or veal scallops.

--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division

On 8/5/2013 8:56 PM, Olrik wrote:
> Le 2013-08-05 14:34, George Plimpton a écrit :
>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
>> to produce this beef.
>
> Just call me when they produce a porterhouse. Or bacon. Or a pork roast.
> Or veal scallops.

It will happen sooner than you imagine.

On 8/5/2013 5:46 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:37:47 -0700, George Plimpton >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/5/2013 1:26 PM, Dakota wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2013 3:10 PM, Witziges Rätsel wrote:
>>>> On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>>>>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
>>>>> order
>>>>> to produce this beef.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does it smell like fish?
>>>
>>> The meat grown in the laboratory required starter cells from cattle that
>>> did exist.
>>
>> Right, but ultimately it would be possible to produce massive amounts of
>> beef with just a few cattle to provide the stem cells. Hundreds of
>> millions, perhaps billion, of cattle lives would never occur.
>
> We can't do that - where would all those Hari Krishnas be reborn into?
>

On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, Goo wrote:
..
>It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
>to produce this beef.
>
>http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>
>
>By Ricardo Lopez
>
>August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>
>For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.
>
>The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
>In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
>beef grown in a laboratory.
>
>Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
>in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.
>
>Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
>from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
>as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>
>To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
>used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
>nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
>takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>
>Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------
>
>So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
>destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
>and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>have anything to do with it.
>
>I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
>be meaningless. No one will care.

I've agreed with that the whole time Goob and I've mentioned the eventual
situation you presented an example of too. But that doesn't prevent millions of
animals from benefitting from lives of positive value NOW, in the past, and in
the foreseeable future Goots. And nothing prevents me or anyone else who
actually can appreciate decent AW over elimination from appreciating the fact
that they do, have and will, Goo. A similar example you MIGHT but probably can't
relate to is with horses Goob. There are a lot less horses now than there would
be if cars still had not been invented. That doesn't matter Goober, but it would
matter if they DID exist as it did matter when they did exist. We, so far, are
in a similar situation with food animals...they exist now but in the future they
eventually will no longer. We are in a position to appreciate their lives more
than the lives of working horses though, if having to work as the horses did
reduced the quality of life for them so that a higher percentage of their lives
were of negative value because of the labor they had to perform. Of course each
situation would be different Goo and some horses no doubt enjoyed their work and
having a purpose, while others were overworked and suffered from the abuse. But
everything like that is necessarily over the heads of people who can't
appreciate when any domestic animals have lives of positive value:

"I don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and
"lives of negative value" means anything." - Rupert

"There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo

much MUCH less can they/YOU appreciate a distinction between when they do and
when they do not, Goo.

On 8/6/2013 3:45 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate
cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing
but wasting time ever since, lied:

> On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
> .
>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
>> to produce this beef.
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>
>>
>> By Ricardo Lopez
>>
>> August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>
>> For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.
>>
>> The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
>> In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
>> beef grown in a laboratory.
>>
>> Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
>> in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.
>>
>> Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
>>from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
>> as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>
>> To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
>> used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
>> nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
>> takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>
>> Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>> making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>> *all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
>> destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
>> and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>> experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>> have anything to do with it.
>>
>> I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>> trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
>> be meaningless. No one will care.
>
> I've agreed with that the whole time

No, that's a lie, *Goo*. You have ****ed and moaned every step of the
way about anything that might reduce the number of livestock animals
"getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it in your shitty
cracker way or writing.

On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:47:47 -0700, Goo wrote:
..
>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:45:01 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>.
>>>It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>>>cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
>>>to produce this beef.
>>>
>>>http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>
>>>
>>>By Ricardo Lopez
>>>
>>>August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>
>>>For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.
>>>
>>>The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
>>>In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
>>>beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>
>>>Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
>>>in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.
>>>
>>>Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
>>>from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
>>>as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>
>>>To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
>>>used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
>>>nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
>>>takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>
>>>Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>>>making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.
>>>
>>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>>>*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
>>>destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
>>>and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>>>experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>>>have anything to do with it.
>>>
>>>I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>>>trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
>>>be meaningless. No one will care.
>>
>> I've agreed with that the whole time Goob and I've mentioned the eventual
>>situation you presented an example of too. But that doesn't prevent millions of
>>animals from benefitting from lives of positive value NOW, in the past, and in
>>the foreseeable future Goots. And nothing prevents me or anyone else who
>>actually can appreciate decent AW over elimination from appreciating the fact
>>that they do, have and will, Goo. A similar example you MIGHT but probably can't
>>relate to is with horses Goob. There are a lot less horses now than there would
>>be if cars still had not been invented. That doesn't matter Goober, but it would
>>matter if they DID exist as it did matter when they did exist. We, so far, are
>>in a similar situation with food animals...they exist now but in the future they
>>eventually will no longer. We are in a position to appreciate their lives more
>>than the lives of working horses though, if having to work as the horses did
>>reduced the quality of life for them so that a higher percentage of their lives
>>were of negative value because of the labor they had to perform. Of course each
>>situation would be different Goo and some horses no doubt enjoyed their work and
>>having a purpose, while others were overworked and suffered from the abuse. But
>>everything like that is necessarily over the heads of people who can't
>>appreciate when any domestic animals have lives of positive value:
>>
>>"I don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and
>>"lives of negative value" means anything." - Rupert
>>
>>"There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo
>>
>>much MUCH less can they/YOU appreciate a distinction between when they do and
>>when they do not, Goo.
>
>No, that's a lie

Your're lying again since you can't appreciate a distinction Goob. You can't
even appreciate that many domestic animals do experience lives of positive value
Goober, so you certainly can't comprehend any sort of distinction between when
they do and when they don't.
....
>animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it

You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better way to put it
Goots, nor even anywhere near as good. That has been proven by you and is not in
dispute, Goo.

On 8/7/2013 10:45 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:

> On 8/6/2013 4:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 8/6/2013 3:45 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate
>> cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing
>> but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>> .
>>>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>>>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
>>>> to produce this beef.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>
>>>> August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>
>>>> For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little
>>>> flat.
>>>>
>>>> The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
>>>> In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
>>>> beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>
>>>> Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
>>>> in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in
>>>> London.
>>>>
>>>> Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
>>>> from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
>>>> as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>
>>>> To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
>>>> used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
>>>> nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
>>>> takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>
>>>> Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>>>> making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>>>> *all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
>>>> destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
>>>> and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>>>> experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>>>> have anything to do with it.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>>>> trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
>>>> be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>
>>> I've agreed with that the whole time
>>
>> No, that's a lie, *Goo*. You have ****ed and moaned every step of the
>> way about anything that might reduce the number of livestock animals
>> "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it in your shitty
>> cracker way or writing.
>
> Your're

<chortle>

> lying again since

I'm not lying, *Gloo*. You have *always* and *only* been ****ing your
panties over the fact that "vegans" want to prevent "future farm
animals" from existing.



>> animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>
> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better way to put it

Existence, *Gloo*. That's all it is. Coming into existence *is* what
you mean. You should just say it.

On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:12:42 -0700, Goo idiotically wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:45:46 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:47:47 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>.
>>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:45:01 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>.
>>>>>It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>>>>>cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
>>>>>to produce this beef.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>
>>>>>August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>
>>>>>For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.
>>>>>
>>>>>The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
>>>>>In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
>>>>>beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
>>>>>in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.
>>>>>
>>>>>Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
>>>>>from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
>>>>>as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>>
>>>>>To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
>>>>>used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
>>>>>nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
>>>>>takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>
>>>>>Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>>>>>making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.
>>>>>
>>>>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>>>>>*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
>>>>>destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
>>>>>and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>>>>>experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>>>>>have anything to do with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>>>>>trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
>>>>>be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>
>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time Goob and I've mentioned the eventual
>>>>situation you presented an example of too. But that doesn't prevent millions of
>>>>animals from benefitting from lives of positive value NOW, in the past, and in
>>>>the foreseeable future Goots. And nothing prevents me or anyone else who
>>>>actually can appreciate decent AW over elimination from appreciating the fact
>>>>that they do, have and will, Goo. A similar example you MIGHT but probably can't
>>>>relate to is with horses Goob. There are a lot less horses now than there would
>>>>be if cars still had not been invented. That doesn't matter Goober, but it would
>>>>matter if they DID exist as it did matter when they did exist. We, so far, are
>>>>in a similar situation with food animals...they exist now but in the future they
>>>>eventually will no longer. We are in a position to appreciate their lives more
>>>>than the lives of working horses though, if having to work as the horses did
>>>>reduced the quality of life for them so that a higher percentage of their lives
>>>>were of negative value because of the labor they had to perform. Of course each
>>>>situation would be different Goo and some horses no doubt enjoyed their work and
>>>>having a purpose, while others were overworked and suffered from the abuse. But
>>>>everything like that is necessarily over the heads of people who can't
>>>>appreciate when any domestic animals have lives of positive value:
>>>>
>>>>"I don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and
>>>>"lives of negative value" means anything." - Rupert
>>>>
>>>>"There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>much MUCH less can they/YOU appreciate a distinction between when they do and
>>>>when they do not, Goo.
>>>
>>>No, that's a lie
>>
>> Your're lying again since you can't appreciate a distinction Goob. You can't
>>even appreciate that many domestic animals do experience lives of positive value
>>Goober, so you certainly can't comprehend any sort of distinction between when
>>they do and when they don't.
>>...
>>>animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>>
>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better way to put it
>>Goots, nor even anywhere near as good. That has been proven by you and is not in
>>dispute, Goo.
>
>Existence, *Gloo*. That's all

No Goober. Rocks exist but don't experience life, and it seems even someone
as remarkably stupid as you should be able to appreciate that obvious fact Goob.
But since you haven't been able to learn to appreciate that obvious example,
here are some more to see if you can ever learn to appreciate the stupidity of
your suggestion:

trains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
planes exist but don't experience life, Goo.
automobiles exist but don't experience life, Goo.
mountains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
rivers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
iceburgs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
toasters exist but don't experience life, Goo.
phones exist but don't experience life, Goo.
dead people exist but don't experience life, Goo.
bathtubs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
yoyos exist but don't experience life, Goo.
microwave ovens exist but don't experience life, Goo.
sox exist but don't experience life, Goo.
toilets exist but don't experience life, Goo.
light bulbs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
hamburgers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
hot dogs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
etc............................................... ......., Goo.

On 8/8/2013 12:54 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:

> On 8/7/2013 12:12 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 8/7/2013 10:45 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 8/6/2013 4:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 8/6/2013 3:45 PM,
>>> ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate
>>>> cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing
>>>> but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>> .
>>>>>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a
>>>>>> container. No
>>>>>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
>>>>>> order
>>>>>> to produce this beef.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>
>>>>>> August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little
>>>>>> flat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
>>>>>> In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life:
>>>>>> It was
>>>>>> beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project,
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in
>>>>>> London.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
>>>>>> from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food
>>>>>> crisis
>>>>>> as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the
>>>>>> Netherlands
>>>>>> used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
>>>>>> nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
>>>>>> takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>>>>>> making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press
>>>>>> reported.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>>>>>> *all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
>>>>>> destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then
>>>>>> billions
>>>>>> and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>>>>>> experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>>>>>> have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>>>>>> trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life"
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time
>>>>
>>>> No, that's a lie, *Goo*. You have ****ed and moaned every step of the
>>>> way about anything that might reduce the number of livestock animals
>>>> "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it in your shitty
>>>> cracker way or writing.
>>>
>>> Your're
>>
>> <chortle>
>>
>>> lying again since
>>
>> I'm not lying, *Gloo*. You have *always* and *only* been ****ing your
>> panties over the fact that "vegans" want to prevent "future farm
>> animals" from existing.
>
>>>> animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>>>
>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better
>>> way to put it
>>
>> Existence, *Gloo*. That's all it is. Coming into existence *is* what
>> you mean. You should just say it.
>
> No Goober.

*YES*, *Gloo*. When you talk about animals "getting to experience
life", all you're talking about is their existence...so that you can
consume them. That's the only thing that's important to you. Everything
you say about something being important to or a "benefit" to them is
just your attempt at a bullshit smokescreen.

Products, *Gloo* - products made from animals - that's all you care
about. Proved, settled, not in rational dispute.

On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 13:55:36 -0700, Goo wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 15:54:49 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:12:42 -0700, Goo idiotically wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:45:46 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:47:47 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>.
>>>>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:45:01 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>>>>>>>cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
>>>>>>>to produce this beef.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
>>>>>>>In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
>>>>>>>beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
>>>>>>>in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
>>>>>>>from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
>>>>>>>as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
>>>>>>>used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
>>>>>>>nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
>>>>>>>takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>>>>>>>making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>>>>>>>*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
>>>>>>>destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
>>>>>>>and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>>>>>>>experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>>>>>>>have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>>>>>>>trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
>>>>>>>be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time Goob and I've mentioned the eventual
>>>>>>situation you presented an example of too. But that doesn't prevent millions of
>>>>>>animals from benefitting from lives of positive value NOW, in the past, and in
>>>>>>the foreseeable future Goots. And nothing prevents me or anyone else who
>>>>>>actually can appreciate decent AW over elimination from appreciating the fact
>>>>>>that they do, have and will, Goo. A similar example you MIGHT but probably can't
>>>>>>relate to is with horses Goob. There are a lot less horses now than there would
>>>>>>be if cars still had not been invented. That doesn't matter Goober, but it would
>>>>>>matter if they DID exist as it did matter when they did exist. We, so far, are
>>>>>>in a similar situation with food animals...they exist now but in the future they
>>>>>>eventually will no longer. We are in a position to appreciate their lives more
>>>>>>than the lives of working horses though, if having to work as the horses did
>>>>>>reduced the quality of life for them so that a higher percentage of their lives
>>>>>>were of negative value because of the labor they had to perform. Of course each
>>>>>>situation would be different Goo and some horses no doubt enjoyed their work and
>>>>>>having a purpose, while others were overworked and suffered from the abuse. But
>>>>>>everything like that is necessarily over the heads of people who can't
>>>>>>appreciate when any domestic animals have lives of positive value:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"I don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and
>>>>>>"lives of negative value" means anything." - Rupert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>much MUCH less can they/YOU appreciate a distinction between when they do and
>>>>>>when they do not, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, that's a lie
>>>>
>>>> Your're lying again since you can't appreciate a distinction Goob. You can't
>>>>even appreciate that many domestic animals do experience lives of positive value
>>>>Goober, so you certainly can't comprehend any sort of distinction between when
>>>>they do and when they don't.
>>>>...
>>>>>animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>>>>
>>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better way to put it
>>>>Goots, nor even anywhere near as good. That has been proven by you and is not in
>>>>dispute, Goo.
>>>
>>>Existence, *Gloo*. That's all
>>
>> No Goober. Rocks exist but don't experience life, and it seems even someone
>>as remarkably stupid as you should be able to appreciate that obvious fact Goob.
>>But since you haven't been able to learn to appreciate that obvious example,
>>here are some more to see if you can ever learn to appreciate the stupidity of
>>your suggestion:
>>
>>trains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>planes exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>automobiles exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>mountains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>rivers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>iceburgs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>toasters exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>phones exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>dead people exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>bathtubs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>yoyos exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>microwave ovens exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>sox exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>toilets exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>light bulbs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>hamburgers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>hot dogs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>etc............................................. ........., Goo.
>
>something being important to or a "benefit" to them is
>just . bullshit

To things that simply exist it is Goots. For things that exist and have the
benefit of experiencing life it's more than "just . bullshit" to them, Goo.

On 8/12/2013 5:10 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:

> On 8/8/2013 1:55 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 8/8/2013 12:54 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 8/7/2013 12:12 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 8/7/2013 10:45 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/6/2013 4:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 8/6/2013 3:45 PM,
>>>>> ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate
>>>>>> cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>> but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a
>>>>>>>> container. No
>>>>>>>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>> to produce this beef.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a
>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>> flat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of
>>>>>>>> meat.
>>>>>>>> In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life:
>>>>>>>> It was
>>>>>>>> beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project,
>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>> in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in
>>>>>>>> London.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef
>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food
>>>>>>>> crisis
>>>>>>>> as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the
>>>>>>>> Netherlands
>>>>>>>> used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them
>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>> nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of
>>>>>>>> meat. It
>>>>>>>> takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>>>>>>>> making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press
>>>>>>>> reported.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>>>>>>>> *all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less
>>>>>>>> environmentally
>>>>>>>> destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then
>>>>>>>> billions
>>>>>>>> and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>>>>>>>> experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>>>>>>>> have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>>>>>>>> trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life"
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that's a lie, *Goo*. You have ****ed and moaned every step of the
>>>>>> way about anything that might reduce the number of livestock animals
>>>>>> "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it in your
>>>>>> shitty
>>>>>> cracker way or writing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your're
>>>>
>>>> <chortle>
>>>>
>>>>> lying again since
>>>>
>>>> I'm not lying, *Gloo*. You have *always* and *only* been ****ing your
>>>> panties over the fact that "vegans" want to prevent "future farm
>>>> animals" from existing.
>>>
>>>>>> animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>>>>>
>>>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better
>>>>> way to put it
>>>>
>>>> Existence, *Gloo*. That's all it is. Coming into existence *is* what
>>>> you mean. You should just say it.
>>>
>>> No Goober.
>>
>> *YES*, *Gloo*. When you talk about animals "getting to experience
>> life", all you're talking about is their existence...so that you can
>> consume them. That's the only thing that's important to you. Everything
>> you say about something being important to or a "benefit" to them is
>> just your attempt at a bullshit smokescreen.
>
> For things that exist and have the
> benefit of experiencing life

"getting to experience life" is not a benefit - proved beyond dispute.

On 8/12/2013 5:10 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:

> On 8/8/2013 1:55 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 8/8/2013 12:54 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 8/7/2013 12:12 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 8/7/2013 10:45 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/6/2013 4:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 8/6/2013 3:45 PM,
>>>>> ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate
>>>>>> cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>> but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a
>>>>>>>> container. No
>>>>>>>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>> to produce this beef.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a
>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>> flat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of
>>>>>>>> meat.
>>>>>>>> In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life:
>>>>>>>> It was
>>>>>>>> beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project,
>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>> in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in
>>>>>>>> London.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef
>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food
>>>>>>>> crisis
>>>>>>>> as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the
>>>>>>>> Netherlands
>>>>>>>> used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them
>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>> nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of
>>>>>>>> meat. It
>>>>>>>> takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>>>>>>>> making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press
>>>>>>>> reported.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>>>>>>>> *all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less
>>>>>>>> environmentally
>>>>>>>> destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then
>>>>>>>> billions
>>>>>>>> and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>>>>>>>> experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>>>>>>>> have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>>>>>>>> trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life"
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that's a lie, *Goo*. You have ****ed and moaned every step of the
>>>>>> way about anything that might reduce the number of livestock animals
>>>>>> "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it in your
>>>>>> shitty
>>>>>> cracker way or writing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your're
>>>>
>>>> <chortle>
>>>>
>>>>> lying again since
>>>>
>>>> I'm not lying, *Gloo*. You have *always* and *only* been ****ing your
>>>> panties over the fact that "vegans" want to prevent "future farm
>>>> animals" from existing.
>>>
>>>>>> animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>>>>>
>>>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better
>>>>> way to put it
>>>>
>>>> Existence, *Gloo*. That's all it is. Coming into existence *is* what
>>>> you mean. You should just say it.
>>>
>>> No Goober.
>>
>> *YES*, *Gloo*. When you talk about animals "getting to experience
>> life", all you're talking about is their existence...so that you can
>> consume them. That's the only thing that's important to you. Everything
>> you say about something being important to or a "benefit" to them is
>> just your attempt at a bullshit smokescreen.
>
> For things that exist and have the
> benefit of experiencing life

"getting to experience life" is not a benefit - proved beyond dispute.

On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:57:51 -0700, Goo wrote:
..
>On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:10:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 13:55:36 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 15:54:49 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:12:42 -0700, Goo idiotically wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:45:46 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:47:47 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:45:01 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>>>It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>>>>>>>>>cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
>>>>>>>>>to produce this beef.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
>>>>>>>>>In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
>>>>>>>>>beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
>>>>>>>>>in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
>>>>>>>>>from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
>>>>>>>>>as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
>>>>>>>>>nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
>>>>>>>>>takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>>>>>>>>>making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>>>>>>>>>*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
>>>>>>>>>destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
>>>>>>>>>and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>>>>>>>>>experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>>>>>>>>>have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>>>>>>>>>trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
>>>>>>>>>be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time Goob and I've mentioned the eventual
>>>>>>>>situation you presented an example of too. But that doesn't prevent millions of
>>>>>>>>animals from benefitting from lives of positive value NOW, in the past, and in
>>>>>>>>the foreseeable future Goots. And nothing prevents me or anyone else who
>>>>>>>>actually can appreciate decent AW over elimination from appreciating the fact
>>>>>>>>that they do, have and will, Goo. A similar example you MIGHT but probably can't
>>>>>>>>relate to is with horses Goob. There are a lot less horses now than there would
>>>>>>>>be if cars still had not been invented. That doesn't matter Goober, but it would
>>>>>>>>matter if they DID exist as it did matter when they did exist. We, so far, are
>>>>>>>>in a similar situation with food animals...they exist now but in the future they
>>>>>>>>eventually will no longer. We are in a position to appreciate their lives more
>>>>>>>>than the lives of working horses though, if having to work as the horses did
>>>>>>>>reduced the quality of life for them so that a higher percentage of their lives
>>>>>>>>were of negative value because of the labor they had to perform. Of course each
>>>>>>>>situation would be different Goo and some horses no doubt enjoyed their work and
>>>>>>>>having a purpose, while others were overworked and suffered from the abuse. But
>>>>>>>>everything like that is necessarily over the heads of people who can't
>>>>>>>>appreciate when any domestic animals have lives of positive value:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"I don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and
>>>>>>>>"lives of negative value" means anything." - Rupert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>much MUCH less can they/YOU appreciate a distinction between when they do and
>>>>>>>>when they do not, Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, that's a lie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your're lying again since you can't appreciate a distinction Goob. You can't
>>>>>>even appreciate that many domestic animals do experience lives of positive value
>>>>>>Goober, so you certainly can't comprehend any sort of distinction between when
>>>>>>they do and when they don't.
>>>>>>...
>>>>>>>animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better way to put it
>>>>>>Goots, nor even anywhere near as good. That has been proven by you and is not in
>>>>>>dispute, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>Existence, *Gloo*. That's all
>>>>
>>>> No Goober. Rocks exist but don't experience life, and it seems even someone
>>>>as remarkably stupid as you should be able to appreciate that obvious fact Goob.
>>>>But since you haven't been able to learn to appreciate that obvious example,
>>>>here are some more to see if you can ever learn to appreciate the stupidity of
>>>>your suggestion:
>>>>
>>>>trains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>planes exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>automobiles exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>mountains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>rivers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>iceburgs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>toasters exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>phones exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>dead people exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>bathtubs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>yoyos exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>microwave ovens exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>sox exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>toilets exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>light bulbs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>hamburgers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>hot dogs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>etc........................................... ..........., Goo.
>>>
>>>something being important to or a "benefit" to them is
>>>just . bullshit
>>
>> To things that simply exist it is Goots. For things that exist and have the
>>benefit of experiencing life it's more than "just . bullshit" to them, Goo.
>
>"getting to experience life" is not a benefit

It clearly appears to be, and you can't even pretend to try to explain what
you want people to think prevents it from being one Goob. You can't, you have
consistently proven that you can't, and that is not in dispute, Goo.

On 8/15/2013 2:23 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:

> On 8/12/2013 8:57 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 8/12/2013 5:10 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 8/8/2013 1:55 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 8/8/2013 12:54 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/7/2013 12:12 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/7/2013 10:45 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/6/2013 4:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 8/6/2013 3:45 PM,
>>>>>>> ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate
>>>>>>>> cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing
>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>> but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a
>>>>>>>>>> container. No
>>>>>>>>>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
>>>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>>>> to produce this beef.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a
>>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>> flat.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of
>>>>>>>>>> meat.
>>>>>>>>>> In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life:
>>>>>>>>>> It was
>>>>>>>>>> beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project,
>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>> in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in
>>>>>>>>>> London.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef
>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>> from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food
>>>>>>>>>> crisis
>>>>>>>>>> as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the
>>>>>>>>>> Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>> used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them
>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>> nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of
>>>>>>>>>> meat. It
>>>>>>>>>> takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional
>>>>>>>>>> burger,
>>>>>>>>>> making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press
>>>>>>>>>> reported.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the
>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>> *all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less
>>>>>>>>>> environmentally
>>>>>>>>>> destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then
>>>>>>>>>> billions
>>>>>>>>>> and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never
>>>>>>>>>> "get to
>>>>>>>>>> experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans"
>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>> have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>>>>>>>>>> trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life"
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, that's a lie, *Goo*. You have ****ed and moaned every step
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> way about anything that might reduce the number of livestock animals
>>>>>>>> "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it in your
>>>>>>>> shitty
>>>>>>>> cracker way or writing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your're
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <chortle>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lying again since
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not lying, *Gloo*. You have *always* and *only* been ****ing your
>>>>>> panties over the fact that "vegans" want to prevent "future farm
>>>>>> animals" from existing.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better
>>>>>>> way to put it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Existence, *Gloo*. That's all it is. Coming into existence *is* what
>>>>>> you mean. You should just say it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No Goober.
>>>>
>>>> *YES*, *Gloo*. When you talk about animals "getting to experience
>>>> life", all you're talking about is their existence...so that you can
>>>> consume them. That's the only thing that's important to you. Everything
>>>> you say about something being important to or a "benefit" to them is
>>>> just your attempt at a bullshit smokescreen.
>>>
>>> For things that exist and have the
>>> benefit of experiencing life
>>
>> "getting to experience life" is not a benefit - proved beyond dispute.
>
> It clearly appears to be,

No, and it isn't. It doesn't appear to be, and it isn't. Coming into
existence - "getting to experience life", in your wretchedly shitty
illiterate cracker expression - is not a benefit. It isn't, because it
doesn't improve welfare.

On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:47:22 -0700, Goo agreed:

>On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:23:52 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:57:51 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>.
>>>On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:10:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 13:55:36 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 15:54:49 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:12:42 -0700, Goo idiotically wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:45:46 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:47:47 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:45:01 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>>>>>It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>>>>>>>>>>>cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
>>>>>>>>>>>to produce this beef.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
>>>>>>>>>>>In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
>>>>>>>>>>>beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
>>>>>>>>>>>in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
>>>>>>>>>>>from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
>>>>>>>>>>>as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>>>used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
>>>>>>>>>>>nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
>>>>>>>>>>>takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>>>>>>>>>>>making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>>>>>>>>>>>*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
>>>>>>>>>>>destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
>>>>>>>>>>>and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>>>>>>>>>>>experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>>>>>>>>>>>have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>>>>>>>>>>>trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
>>>>>>>>>>>be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time Goob and I've mentioned the eventual
>>>>>>>>>>situation you presented an example of too. But that doesn't prevent millions of
>>>>>>>>>>animals from benefitting from lives of positive value NOW, in the past, and in
>>>>>>>>>>the foreseeable future Goots. And nothing prevents me or anyone else who
>>>>>>>>>>actually can appreciate decent AW over elimination from appreciating the fact
>>>>>>>>>>that they do, have and will, Goo. A similar example you MIGHT but probably can't
>>>>>>>>>>relate to is with horses Goob. There are a lot less horses now than there would
>>>>>>>>>>be if cars still had not been invented. That doesn't matter Goober, but it would
>>>>>>>>>>matter if they DID exist as it did matter when they did exist. We, so far, are
>>>>>>>>>>in a similar situation with food animals...they exist now but in the future they
>>>>>>>>>>eventually will no longer. We are in a position to appreciate their lives more
>>>>>>>>>>than the lives of working horses though, if having to work as the horses did
>>>>>>>>>>reduced the quality of life for them so that a higher percentage of their lives
>>>>>>>>>>were of negative value because of the labor they had to perform. Of course each
>>>>>>>>>>situation would be different Goo and some horses no doubt enjoyed their work and
>>>>>>>>>>having a purpose, while others were overworked and suffered from the abuse. But
>>>>>>>>>>everything like that is necessarily over the heads of people who can't
>>>>>>>>>>appreciate when any domestic animals have lives of positive value:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"I don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and
>>>>>>>>>>"lives of negative value" means anything." - Rupert
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>much MUCH less can they/YOU appreciate a distinction between when they do and
>>>>>>>>>>when they do not, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No, that's a lie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your're lying again since you can't appreciate a distinction Goob. You can't
>>>>>>>>even appreciate that many domestic animals do experience lives of positive value
>>>>>>>>Goober, so you certainly can't comprehend any sort of distinction between when
>>>>>>>>they do and when they don't.
>>>>>>>>...
>>>>>>>>>animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better way to put it
>>>>>>>>Goots, nor even anywhere near as good. That has been proven by you and is not in
>>>>>>>>dispute, Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Existence, *Gloo*. That's all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No Goober. Rocks exist but don't experience life, and it seems even someone
>>>>>>as remarkably stupid as you should be able to appreciate that obvious fact Goob.
>>>>>>But since you haven't been able to learn to appreciate that obvious example,
>>>>>>here are some more to see if you can ever learn to appreciate the stupidity of
>>>>>>your suggestion:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>trains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>planes exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>automobiles exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>mountains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>rivers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>iceburgs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>toasters exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>phones exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>dead people exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>bathtubs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>yoyos exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>microwave ovens exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>sox exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>toilets exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>light bulbs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>hamburgers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>hot dogs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>etc......................................... ............., Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>something being important to or a "benefit" to them is
>>>>>just . bullshit
>>>>
>>>> To things that simply exist it is Goots. For things that exist and have the
>>>>benefit of experiencing life it's more than "just . bullshit" to them, Goo.
>>>
>>>"getting to experience life" is not a benefit
>>
>> It clearly appears to be, and you can't even pretend to try to explain what
>>you want people to think prevents it from being one Goob. You can't, you have
>>consistently proven that you can't, and that is not in dispute, Goo.
>
>No, and it isn't.

No you can't and it isn't in dispute Goob. The only way you could even try
to pretend to dispute it would be for you to try telling us what you want people
to think is preventing it from being to your son's advantage that he's still
alive, but you can't even make an attempt, Goo.

On 8/19/2013 3:45 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:

> On 8/15/2013 2:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 8/15/2013 2:23 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 8/12/2013 8:57 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 8/12/2013 5:10 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/2013 1:55 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/8/2013 12:54 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/7/2013 12:12 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/7/2013 10:45 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/2013 4:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 8/6/2013 3:45 PM,
>>>>>>>>> ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid, illiterate
>>>>>>>>>> cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing
>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>> but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> container. No
>>>>>>>>>>>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience
>>>>>>>>>>>> life" in
>>>>>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>>>>>> to produce this beef.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a
>>>>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>>>> flat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of
>>>>>>>>>>>> meat.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous
>>>>>>>>>>>> life:
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was
>>>>>>>>>>>> beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research
>>>>>>>>>>>> project,
>>>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured
>>>>>>>>>>>> beef in
>>>>>>>>>>>> London.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef
>>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>> from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food
>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis
>>>>>>>>>>>> as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>>>> used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>> nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of
>>>>>>>>>>>> meat. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional
>>>>>>>>>>>> burger,
>>>>>>>>>>>> making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press
>>>>>>>>>>>> reported.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the
>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>> *all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less
>>>>>>>>>>>> environmentally
>>>>>>>>>>>> destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then
>>>>>>>>>>>> billions
>>>>>>>>>>>> and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never
>>>>>>>>>>>> "get to
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans"
>>>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>>>> have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience
>>>>>>>>>>>> life"
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, that's a lie, *Gloo*. You have ****ed and moaned every step
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> way about anything that might reduce the number of livestock
>>>>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>>>>> "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it in your
>>>>>>>>>> shitty
>>>>>>>>>> cracker way or writing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your're
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <chortle>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lying again since
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not lying, *Gloo*. You have *always* and *only* been ****ing
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> panties over the fact that "vegans" want to prevent "future farm
>>>>>>>> animals" from existing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better
>>>>>>>>> way to put it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Existence, *Gloo*. That's all it is. Coming into existence *is*
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> you mean. You should just say it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No Goober.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *YES*, *Gloo*. When you talk about animals "getting to experience
>>>>>> life", all you're talking about is their existence...so that you can
>>>>>> consume them. That's the only thing that's important to you.
>>>>>> Everything
>>>>>> you say about something being important to or a "benefit" to them is
>>>>>> just your attempt at a bullshit smokescreen.
>>>>>
>>>>> For things that exist and have the
>>>>> benefit of experiencing life
>>>>
>>>> "getting to experience life" is not a benefit - proved beyond dispute.
>>>
>>> It clearly appears to be,
>>
>> No, and it isn't. It doesn't appear to be, and it isn't. Coming into
>> existence - "getting to experience life", in your wretchedly shitty
>> illiterate cracker expression - is not a benefit. It isn't, because it
>> doesn't improve welfare.
>
> No you can't and

Existence doesn't improve welfare versus never existing, *Gloo*. It
can't be a benefit.

On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 18:40:22 -0700, Goo wrote:
..
>On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:45:22 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:47:22 -0700, Goo agreed:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:23:52 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:57:51 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>.
>>>>>On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:10:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 13:55:36 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 15:54:49 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:12:42 -0700, Goo idiotically wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:45:46 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:47:47 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:45:01 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>to produce this beef.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time Goob and I've mentioned the eventual
>>>>>>>>>>>>situation you presented an example of too. But that doesn't prevent millions of
>>>>>>>>>>>>animals from benefitting from lives of positive value NOW, in the past, and in
>>>>>>>>>>>>the foreseeable future Goots. And nothing prevents me or anyone else who
>>>>>>>>>>>>actually can appreciate decent AW over elimination from appreciating the fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>that they do, have and will, Goo. A similar example you MIGHT but probably can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>relate to is with horses Goob. There are a lot less horses now than there would
>>>>>>>>>>>>be if cars still had not been invented. That doesn't matter Goober, but it would
>>>>>>>>>>>>matter if they DID exist as it did matter when they did exist. We, so far, are
>>>>>>>>>>>>in a similar situation with food animals...they exist now but in the future they
>>>>>>>>>>>>eventually will no longer. We are in a position to appreciate their lives more
>>>>>>>>>>>>than the lives of working horses though, if having to work as the horses did
>>>>>>>>>>>>reduced the quality of life for them so that a higher percentage of their lives
>>>>>>>>>>>>were of negative value because of the labor they had to perform. Of course each
>>>>>>>>>>>>situation would be different Goo and some horses no doubt enjoyed their work and
>>>>>>>>>>>>having a purpose, while others were overworked and suffered from the abuse. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>everything like that is necessarily over the heads of people who can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>appreciate when any domestic animals have lives of positive value:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"I don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>"lives of negative value" means anything." - Rupert
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>much MUCH less can they/YOU appreciate a distinction between when they do and
>>>>>>>>>>>>when they do not, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>No, that's a lie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your're lying again since you can't appreciate a distinction Goob. You can't
>>>>>>>>>>even appreciate that many domestic animals do experience lives of positive value
>>>>>>>>>>Goober, so you certainly can't comprehend any sort of distinction between when
>>>>>>>>>>they do and when they don't.
>>>>>>>>>>...
>>>>>>>>>>>animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better way to put it
>>>>>>>>>>Goots, nor even anywhere near as good. That has been proven by you and is not in
>>>>>>>>>>dispute, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Existence, *Gloo*. That's all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No Goober. Rocks exist but don't experience life, and it seems even someone
>>>>>>>>as remarkably stupid as you should be able to appreciate that obvious fact Goob.
>>>>>>>>But since you haven't been able to learn to appreciate that obvious example,
>>>>>>>>here are some more to see if you can ever learn to appreciate the stupidity of
>>>>>>>>your suggestion:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>trains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>planes exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>automobiles exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>mountains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>rivers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>iceburgs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>toasters exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>phones exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>dead people exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>bathtubs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>yoyos exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>microwave ovens exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>sox exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>toilets exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>light bulbs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>hamburgers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>hot dogs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>etc....................................... ..............., Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>something being important to or a "benefit" to them is
>>>>>>>just . bullshit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To things that simply exist it is Goots. For things that exist and have the
>>>>>>benefit of experiencing life it's more than "just . bullshit" to them, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>"getting to experience life" is not a benefit
>>>>
>>>> It clearly appears to be, and you can't even pretend to try to explain what
>>>>you want people to think prevents it from being one Goob. You can't, you have
>>>>consistently proven that you can't, and that is not in dispute, Goo.
>>>
>>>No, and it isn't.
>>
>> No you can't and it isn't in dispute Goob. The only way you could even try
>>to pretend to dispute it would be for you to try telling us what you want people
>>to think is preventing it from being to your son's advantage that he's still
>>alive, but you can't even make an attempt, Goo.
>
>Existence doesn't improve welfare versus never existing

How did you make that comparison, Goo?

On 8/26/2013 12:33 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:

> On 8/23/2013 6:40 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 8/19/2013 3:45 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 8/15/2013 2:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 8/15/2013 2:23 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/12/2013 8:57 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/12/2013 5:10 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/8/2013 1:55 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/8/2013 12:54 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/7/2013 12:12 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/7/2013 10:45 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>>>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/2013 4:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 8/6/2013 3:45 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>> ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid, illiterate
>>>>>>>>>>>> cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>> but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> container. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to produce this beef.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cut of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beef in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> London.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beef
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the world's population swells and help combat climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meat. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burger,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environmentally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> billions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that's a lie, *Gloo*. You have ****ed and moaned every step
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> way about anything that might reduce the number of livestock
>>>>>>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>>>>>>> "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it in
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> shitty
>>>>>>>>>>>> cracker way or writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your're
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <chortle>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lying again since
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not lying, *Gloo*. You have *always* and *only* been ****ing
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> panties over the fact that "vegans" want to prevent "future farm
>>>>>>>>>> animals" from existing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly
>>>>>>>>>>>> put it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a
>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>> way to put it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Existence, *Gloo*. That's all it is. Coming into existence *is*
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> you mean. You should just say it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No Goober.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *YES*, *Gloo*. When you talk about animals "getting to experience
>>>>>>>> life", all you're talking about is their existence...so that you can
>>>>>>>> consume them. That's the only thing that's important to you.
>>>>>>>> Everything
>>>>>>>> you say about something being important to or a "benefit" to them is
>>>>>>>> just your attempt at a bullshit smokescreen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For things that exist and have the
>>>>>>> benefit of experiencing life
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "getting to experience life" is not a benefit - proved beyond dispute.
>>>>>
>>>>> It clearly appears to be,
>>>>
>>>> No, and it isn't. It doesn't appear to be, and it isn't. Coming into
>>>> existence - "getting to experience life", in your wretchedly shitty
>>>> illiterate cracker expression - is not a benefit. It isn't, because it
>>>> doesn't improve welfare.
>>>
>>> No you can't and
>>
>> Existence doesn't improve welfare versus never existing, *Gloo*. It
>> can't be a benefit.
>
> How did you make that comparison

No one makes it, *Gloo* - that's the very reason why "getting to
experience life" - aka existence - is not a benefit versus never existing.

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:57:38 -0700, Goo wrote:
..
>On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:33:56 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 18:40:22 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>.
>>>On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:45:22 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:47:22 -0700, Goo agreed:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:23:52 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:57:51 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:10:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 13:55:36 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 15:54:49 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:12:42 -0700, Goo idiotically wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:45:46 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:47:47 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:45:01 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to produce this beef.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time Goob and I've mentioned the eventual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>situation you presented an example of too. But that doesn't prevent millions of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>animals from benefitting from lives of positive value NOW, in the past, and in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the foreseeable future Goots. And nothing prevents me or anyone else who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>actually can appreciate decent AW over elimination from appreciating the fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that they do, have and will, Goo. A similar example you MIGHT but probably can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>relate to is with horses Goob. There are a lot less horses now than there would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be if cars still had not been invented. That doesn't matter Goober, but it would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>matter if they DID exist as it did matter when they did exist. We, so far, are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in a similar situation with food animals...they exist now but in the future they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eventually will no longer. We are in a position to appreciate their lives more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>than the lives of working horses though, if having to work as the horses did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reduced the quality of life for them so that a higher percentage of their lives
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>were of negative value because of the labor they had to perform. Of course each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>situation would be different Goo and some horses no doubt enjoyed their work and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>having a purpose, while others were overworked and suffered from the abuse. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything like that is necessarily over the heads of people who can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>appreciate when any domestic animals have lives of positive value:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"I don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"lives of negative value" means anything." - Rupert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>much MUCH less can they/YOU appreciate a distinction between when they do and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>when they do not, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>No, that's a lie
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your're lying again since you can't appreciate a distinction Goob. You can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>even appreciate that many domestic animals do experience lives of positive value
>>>>>>>>>>>>Goober, so you certainly can't comprehend any sort of distinction between when
>>>>>>>>>>>>they do and when they don't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better way to put it
>>>>>>>>>>>>Goots, nor even anywhere near as good. That has been proven by you and is not in
>>>>>>>>>>>>dispute, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Existence, *Gloo*. That's all
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No Goober. Rocks exist but don't experience life, and it seems even someone
>>>>>>>>>>as remarkably stupid as you should be able to appreciate that obvious fact Goob.
>>>>>>>>>>But since you haven't been able to learn to appreciate that obvious example,
>>>>>>>>>>here are some more to see if you can ever learn to appreciate the stupidity of
>>>>>>>>>>your suggestion:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>trains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>planes exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>automobiles exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>mountains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>rivers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>iceburgs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>toasters exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>phones exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>dead people exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>bathtubs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>yoyos exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>microwave ovens exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>sox exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>toilets exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>light bulbs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>hamburgers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>hot dogs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>etc..................................... ................., Goo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>something being important to or a "benefit" to them is
>>>>>>>>>just . bullshit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To things that simply exist it is Goots. For things that exist and have the
>>>>>>>>benefit of experiencing life it's more than "just . bullshit" to them, Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"getting to experience life" is not a benefit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It clearly appears to be, and you can't even pretend to try to explain what
>>>>>>you want people to think prevents it from being one Goob. You can't, you have
>>>>>>consistently proven that you can't, and that is not in dispute, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, and it isn't.
>>>>
>>>> No you can't and it isn't in dispute Goob. The only way you could even try
>>>>to pretend to dispute it would be for you to try telling us what you want people
>>>>to think is preventing it from being to your son's advantage that he's still
>>>>alive, but you can't even make an attempt, Goo.
>>>
>>>Existence doesn't improve welfare versus never existing
>>
>> How did you make that comparison, Goo?
>
>No one makes it, *Gloo* - that's the very reason why "getting to
>experience life" - aka existence - is not a benefit versus never existing.

How did you make that comparison, Goo?

On 8/28/2013 11:15 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:

> On 8/26/2013 1:57 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 8/26/2013 12:33 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 8/23/2013 6:40 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 8/19/2013 3:45 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/15/2013 2:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/15/2013 2:23 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/12/2013 8:57 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/12/2013 5:10 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/8/2013 1:55 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/8/2013 12:54 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>>>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/7/2013 12:12 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/7/2013 10:45 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>>>>>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1999
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/2013 4:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 8/6/2013
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3:45 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid, illiterate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> container. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to produce this beef.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Ricardo Lopez
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fell a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cut of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beef grown in a laboratory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beef in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> London.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beef
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the world's population swells and help combat climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meat. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burger,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Press
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environmentally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> billions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "vegans"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have anything to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be meaningless. No one will care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've agreed with that the whole time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that's a lie, *Gloo*. You have ****ed and moaned every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way about anything that might reduce the number of livestock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shitty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cracker way or writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your're
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <chortle>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lying again since
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not lying, *Gloo*. You have *always* and *only* been
>>>>>>>>>>>> ****ing
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> panties over the fact that "vegans" want to prevent "future farm
>>>>>>>>>>>> animals" from existing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to put it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Existence, *Gloo*. That's all it is. Coming into existence
>>>>>>>>>>>> *is*
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> you mean. You should just say it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No Goober.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *YES*, *Gloo*. When you talk about animals "getting to experience
>>>>>>>>>> life", all you're talking about is their existence...so that
>>>>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>>>>>> consume them. That's the only thing that's important to you.
>>>>>>>>>> Everything
>>>>>>>>>> you say about something being important to or a "benefit" to
>>>>>>>>>> them is
>>>>>>>>>> just your attempt at a bullshit smokescreen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For things that exist and have the
>>>>>>>>> benefit of experiencing life
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "getting to experience life" is not a benefit - proved beyond
>>>>>>>> dispute.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It clearly appears to be,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, and it isn't. It doesn't appear to be, and it isn't. Coming into
>>>>>> existence - "getting to experience life", in your wretchedly shitty
>>>>>> illiterate cracker expression - is not a benefit. It isn't,
>>>>>> because it
>>>>>> doesn't improve welfare.
>>>>>
>>>>> No you can't and
>>>>
>>>> Existence doesn't improve welfare versus never existing, *Gloo*. It
>>>> can't be a benefit.
>>>
>>> How did you make that comparison
>>
>> No one makes it, *Gloo* - that's the very reason why "getting to
>> experience life" - aka existence - is not a benefit versus never existing.
>
> How did

You're just wasting time, *Gloo*. You lost - 14 years ago. Go do
something else.