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It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
to produce this beef.

http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story


By Ricardo Lopez

August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.

For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.

The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
beef grown in a laboratory.

Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.

Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.

To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.

Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.

---------------------------------------------------------

So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
have anything to do with it.

I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
be meaningless. No one will care.

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On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
to produce this beef.


Does it smell like fish?
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On 8/5/2013 3:10 PM, Witziges Rätsel wrote:
On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
order
to produce this beef.


Does it smell like fish?


The meat grown in the laboratory required starter cells from cattle
that did exist.

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On 8/5/2013 1:26 PM, Dakota wrote:
On 8/5/2013 3:10 PM, Witziges Rätsel wrote:
On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
order
to produce this beef.


Does it smell like fish?


The meat grown in the laboratory required starter cells from cattle that
did exist.


Right, but ultimately it would be possible to produce massive amounts of
beef with just a few cattle to provide the stem cells. Hundreds of
millions, perhaps billion, of cattle lives would never occur.

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On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:37:47 -0700, George Plimpton
wrote:

On 8/5/2013 1:26 PM, Dakota wrote:
On 8/5/2013 3:10 PM, Witziges Rätsel wrote:
On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
order
to produce this beef.


Does it smell like fish?


The meat grown in the laboratory required starter cells from cattle that
did exist.


Right, but ultimately it would be possible to produce massive amounts of
beef with just a few cattle to provide the stem cells. Hundreds of
millions, perhaps billion, of cattle lives would never occur.


We can't do that - where would all those Hari Krishnas be reborn into?


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On 8/5/2013 3:46 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:37:47 -0700, George Plimpton
wrote:

On 8/5/2013 1:26 PM, Dakota wrote:
On 8/5/2013 3:10 PM, Witziges Rätsel wrote:
On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
order
to produce this beef.


Does it smell like fish?

The meat grown in the laboratory required starter cells from cattle that
did exist.


Right, but ultimately it would be possible to produce massive amounts of
beef with just a few cattle to provide the stem cells. Hundreds of
millions, perhaps billion, of cattle lives would never occur.


We can't do that - where would all those Hari Krishnas be reborn into?


I think I see a solution to several problems in this laboratory work
being done.

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In article , Dakota
wrote:

On 8/5/2013 3:10 PM, Witziges Rätsel wrote:
On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
order
to produce this beef.


Does it smell like fish?


The meat grown in the laboratory required starter cells from cattle
that did exist.


They had a taste testing of lab-grown beef in London today:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...grown-beef-tas
te-test-almost-like-a-burger/2013/08/05/921a5996-fdf4-11e2-96a8-d3b921c09
24a_story.html

or

http://wapo.st/1crojyJ


Apparently, it tasted almost like a burger. Not bad for a first try.

And yet another sfnal concept is coming to the world.

--

JD

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Le 2013-08-05 14:34, George Plimpton a écrit :
It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
to produce this beef.


Just call me when they produce a porterhouse. Or bacon. Or a pork roast.
Or veal scallops.

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On 8/5/2013 8:56 PM, Olrik wrote:
Le 2013-08-05 14:34, George Plimpton a écrit :
It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
to produce this beef.


Just call me when they produce a porterhouse. Or bacon. Or a pork roast.
Or veal scallops.


It will happen sooner than you imagine.

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On 8/5/2013 5:46 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:37:47 -0700, George Plimpton
wrote:

On 8/5/2013 1:26 PM, Dakota wrote:
On 8/5/2013 3:10 PM, Witziges Rätsel wrote:
On 8/5/2013 2:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in
order
to produce this beef.


Does it smell like fish?

The meat grown in the laboratory required starter cells from cattle that
did exist.


Right, but ultimately it would be possible to produce massive amounts of
beef with just a few cattle to provide the stem cells. Hundreds of
millions, perhaps billion, of cattle lives would never occur.


We can't do that - where would all those Hari Krishnas be reborn into?





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On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, Goo wrote:
..
It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
to produce this beef.

http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story


By Ricardo Lopez

August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.

For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.

The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
beef grown in a laboratory.

Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.

Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.

To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.

Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.

---------------------------------------------------------

So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
have anything to do with it.

I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
be meaningless. No one will care.


I've agreed with that the whole time Goob and I've mentioned the eventual
situation you presented an example of too. But that doesn't prevent millions of
animals from benefitting from lives of positive value NOW, in the past, and in
the foreseeable future Goots. And nothing prevents me or anyone else who
actually can appreciate decent AW over elimination from appreciating the fact
that they do, have and will, Goo. A similar example you MIGHT but probably can't
relate to is with horses Goob. There are a lot less horses now than there would
be if cars still had not been invented. That doesn't matter Goober, but it would
matter if they DID exist as it did matter when they did exist. We, so far, are
in a similar situation with food animals...they exist now but in the future they
eventually will no longer. We are in a position to appreciate their lives more
than the lives of working horses though, if having to work as the horses did
reduced the quality of life for them so that a higher percentage of their lives
were of negative value because of the labor they had to perform. Of course each
situation would be different Goo and some horses no doubt enjoyed their work and
having a purpose, while others were overworked and suffered from the abuse. But
everything like that is necessarily over the heads of people who can't
appreciate when any domestic animals have lives of positive value:

"I don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and
"lives of negative value" means anything." - Rupert

"There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo

much MUCH less can they/YOU appreciate a distinction between when they do and
when they do not, Goo.
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On 8/6/2013 3:45 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate
cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing
but wasting time ever since, lied:

On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
.
It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
to produce this beef.

http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story


By Ricardo Lopez

August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.

For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.

The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
beef grown in a laboratory.

Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.

Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.

To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.

Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.

---------------------------------------------------------

So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
have anything to do with it.

I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
be meaningless. No one will care.


I've agreed with that the whole time


No, that's a lie, *Goo*. You have ****ed and moaned every step of the
way about anything that might reduce the number of livestock animals
"getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it in your shitty
cracker way or writing.

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On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:47:47 -0700, Goo wrote:
..
On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:45:01 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, Goo wrote:
.
It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
to produce this beef.

http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story


By Ricardo Lopez

August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.

For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.

The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
beef grown in a laboratory.

Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.

Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.

To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.

Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.

---------------------------------------------------------

So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
have anything to do with it.

I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
be meaningless. No one will care.


I've agreed with that the whole time Goob and I've mentioned the eventual
situation you presented an example of too. But that doesn't prevent millions of
animals from benefitting from lives of positive value NOW, in the past, and in
the foreseeable future Goots. And nothing prevents me or anyone else who
actually can appreciate decent AW over elimination from appreciating the fact
that they do, have and will, Goo. A similar example you MIGHT but probably can't
relate to is with horses Goob. There are a lot less horses now than there would
be if cars still had not been invented. That doesn't matter Goober, but it would
matter if they DID exist as it did matter when they did exist. We, so far, are
in a similar situation with food animals...they exist now but in the future they
eventually will no longer. We are in a position to appreciate their lives more
than the lives of working horses though, if having to work as the horses did
reduced the quality of life for them so that a higher percentage of their lives
were of negative value because of the labor they had to perform. Of course each
situation would be different Goo and some horses no doubt enjoyed their work and
having a purpose, while others were overworked and suffered from the abuse. But
everything like that is necessarily over the heads of people who can't
appreciate when any domestic animals have lives of positive value:

"I don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and
"lives of negative value" means anything." - Rupert

"There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo

much MUCH less can they/YOU appreciate a distinction between when they do and
when they do not, Goo.


No, that's a lie


Your're lying again since you can't appreciate a distinction Goob. You can't
even appreciate that many domestic animals do experience lives of positive value
Goober, so you certainly can't comprehend any sort of distinction between when
they do and when they don't.
....
animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it


You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better way to put it
Goots, nor even anywhere near as good. That has been proven by you and is not in
dispute, Goo.
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On 8/7/2013 10:45 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:

On 8/6/2013 4:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote: On 8/6/2013 3:45 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate
cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing
but wasting time ever since, lied:

On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
.
It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
to produce this beef.

http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story



By Ricardo Lopez

August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.

For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little
flat.

The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
beef grown in a laboratory.

Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in
London.

Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.

To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.

Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.

---------------------------------------------------------

So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
have anything to do with it.

I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
be meaningless. No one will care.

I've agreed with that the whole time


No, that's a lie, *Goo*. You have ****ed and moaned every step of the
way about anything that might reduce the number of livestock animals
"getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it in your shitty
cracker way or writing.


Your're


chortle

lying again since


I'm not lying, *Gloo*. You have *always* and *only* been ****ing your
panties over the fact that "vegans" want to prevent "future farm
animals" from existing.



animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it


You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better way to put it


Existence, *Gloo*. That's all it is. Coming into existence *is* what
you mean. You should just say it.

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On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:12:42 -0700, Goo idiotically wrote:

On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:45:46 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:47:47 -0700, Goo wrote:
.
On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:45:01 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:34:33 -0700, Goo wrote:
.
It's here, ****wit: laboratory produced meat grown in a container. No
cattle were brought into existence and "got to experience life" in order
to produce this beef.

http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7945932.story


By Ricardo Lopez

August 5, 2013, 8:29 a.m.

For a $330,000 burger, taste testers thought the flavor fell a little flat.

The hefty price tag, however, wasn't for some fancy, rare cut of meat.
In fact, this meat had never so much as mooed in a previous life: It was
beef grown in a laboratory.

Dutch scientists Monday unveiled their ambitious research project, years
in the making, with a public taste test of their cultured beef in London.

Volunteer tasters sampled hamburger made from the lab-grown beef made
from stem cells. Scientists hope it can one day alleviate a food crisis
as the world's population swells and help combat climate change.

To make the meat, scientists at Maastricht University in the Netherlands
used muscle stem cells from two organic cows and combined them with a
nutrient solution. The muscle cells then grew into strands of meat. It
takes 20,000 strands to make a 5-ounce burger.

Taste testers said the meat lacked the fat of a conventional burger,
making the taste a little underwhelming, the Associated Press reported.

---------------------------------------------------------

So, it's not quite ready for market, but this could soon be the way
*all* meat is produced. It would be cheaper and less environmentally
destructive than raising livestock. If it comes to pass, then billions
and billions and eventually trillions of animals will never "get to
experience life" - their lives will be prevented, and "vegans" won't
have anything to do with it.

I'm not saying it will come to pass, but if it does, the fact that
trillions of animals will never exist and "get to experience life" will
be meaningless. No one will care.

I've agreed with that the whole time Goob and I've mentioned the eventual
situation you presented an example of too. But that doesn't prevent millions of
animals from benefitting from lives of positive value NOW, in the past, and in
the foreseeable future Goots. And nothing prevents me or anyone else who
actually can appreciate decent AW over elimination from appreciating the fact
that they do, have and will, Goo. A similar example you MIGHT but probably can't
relate to is with horses Goob. There are a lot less horses now than there would
be if cars still had not been invented. That doesn't matter Goober, but it would
matter if they DID exist as it did matter when they did exist. We, so far, are
in a similar situation with food animals...they exist now but in the future they
eventually will no longer. We are in a position to appreciate their lives more
than the lives of working horses though, if having to work as the horses did
reduced the quality of life for them so that a higher percentage of their lives
were of negative value because of the labor they had to perform. Of course each
situation would be different Goo and some horses no doubt enjoyed their work and
having a purpose, while others were overworked and suffered from the abuse. But
everything like that is necessarily over the heads of people who can't
appreciate when any domestic animals have lives of positive value:

"I don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and
"lives of negative value" means anything." - Rupert

"There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo

much MUCH less can they/YOU appreciate a distinction between when they do and
when they do not, Goo.

No, that's a lie


Your're lying again since you can't appreciate a distinction Goob. You can't
even appreciate that many domestic animals do experience lives of positive value
Goober, so you certainly can't comprehend any sort of distinction between when
they do and when they don't.
...
animals "getting to experience life", as you so wretchedly put it


You have proven without doubt that you can't think of a better way to put it
Goots, nor even anywhere near as good. That has been proven by you and is not in
dispute, Goo.


Existence, *Gloo*. That's all


No Goober. Rocks exist but don't experience life, and it seems even someone
as remarkably stupid as you should be able to appreciate that obvious fact Goob.
But since you haven't been able to learn to appreciate that obvious example,
here are some more to see if you can ever learn to appreciate the stupidity of
your suggestion:

trains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
planes exist but don't experience life, Goo.
automobiles exist but don't experience life, Goo.
mountains exist but don't experience life, Goo.
rivers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
iceburgs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
toasters exist but don't experience life, Goo.
phones exist but don't experience life, Goo.
dead people exist but don't experience life, Goo.
bathtubs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
yoyos exist but don't experience life, Goo.
microwave ovens exist but don't experience life, Goo.
sox exist but don't experience life, Goo.
toilets exist but don't experience life, Goo.
light bulbs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
hamburgers exist but don't experience life, Goo.
hot dogs exist but don't experience life, Goo.
etc............................................... ......., Goo.


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