Through the chaos, MikeMTM was heard:
> Try this: insert the corner of a handkerchief of bandanna a few inches
> into the carboy and smooth it around the inner surface of the neck. Turn
> the carboy over so the bung falls into the neck and rests against the
> cloth. Draw out the cloth, and the bung should come with it.

Thanks for all the all the ideas... ultimately this is the one that
worked!

matt
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Matt Labbe
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