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My brother gave me this bottle of wine from his cellar and I wanted to
know more about it and it's current value range.br
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Where would I find this type of info?  Is there a master wine cost book
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Any help would be appreciated.br
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The bottle is mostly written in German or Hungarian.br
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1981br
Ersekhalom-Bischofsbergerbr
Hungarian Spätburgunderbr
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Red bAusbruch/b Grape Winebr
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Quin Filips wrote:

Would you mind reposting in plain text, please?

This is unreadable, thank you.

M.

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My brother gave me this bottle of wine from his cellar and I
wanted to know more about it and it's current value range.br
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Where would I find this type of info?  Is there a master
wine cost book somewhere or a website I can go to to get this
info?br Any help would be appreciated.br
br
The bottle is mostly written in German or Hungarian.br
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1981br
Ersekhalom-Bischofsbergerbr
Hungarian Spätburgunderbr
/bbr
Red bAusbruch/b Grape Winebr
br
Product of Hungarybr
Bottled an shipped by Ferdinand Pieroth GMBH, Burg Layen,
West-Germanybr br
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I think he ment for you to drink it, not sell it.

George Cox

Hi
I'm afraid your bottle is of no great value.. It seems to be an overaged Burgundy-type (Pinot Noir) red wine without a specified producer marketed by a German company (Pieroth) which afaik caters to the low-end market..
But I could be wrong about the quality... :-)
Drink - and tell us about it - could be interesting, but be sure to have a backup bottle!
"Quin Filips" wrote in message news:xzMGb.460445$Dw6.1373235@attbi_s02...
My brother gave me this bottle of wine from his cellar and I wanted to know more about it and it's current value range.

Where would I find this type of info? Is there a master wine cost book somewhere or a website I can go to to get this info?
Any help would be appreciated.

The bottle is mostly written in German or Hungarian.

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Pieroth
1981
Ersekhalom-Bischofsberger
Hungarian Spätburgunder

Red Ausbruch Grape Wine

Product of Hungary
Bottled an shipped by Ferdinand Pieroth GMBH, Burg Layen, West-Germany


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Sorry about that....


My brother gave me this bottle of wine from his cellar and I wanted to
know more about it and it's current value range.

Where would I find this type of info? Is there a master wine cost book
somewhere or a website I can go to to get this info?
Any help would be appreciated.

The bottle is mostly written in German or Hungarian.
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Pieroth
1981
Ersekhalom-Bischofsberger
Hungarian Spätburgunder

Red Ausbruch Grape Wine

Product of Hungary
Bottled an shipped by Ferdinand Pieroth GMBH, Burg Layen, West-Germany

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Michael Pronay wrote:

Quin Filips wrote:

Would you mind reposting in plain text, please?

This is unreadable, thank you.

M.



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My brother gave me this bottle of wine from his cellar and I
wanted to know more about it and it's current value range.br
br
Where would I find this type of info?  Is there a master
wine cost book somewhere or a website I can go to to get this
info?br Any help would be appreciated.br
br
The bottle is mostly written in German or Hungarian.br
hr width="100%" size="2"br
div align="center"bPierothbr
1981br
Ersekhalom-Bischofsbergerbr
Hungarian Spätburgunderbr
/bbr
Red bAusbruch/b Grape Winebr
br
Product of Hungarybr
Bottled an shipped by Ferdinand Pieroth GMBH, Burg Layen,
West-Germanybr br
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Quin Filips wrote:

The bottle is mostly written in German or Hungarian.
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Pieroth
1981
Ersekhalom-Bischofsberger
Hungarian Spätburgunder

Red Ausbruch Grape Wine

Product of Hungary
Bottled an shipped by Ferdinand Pieroth GMBH, Burg Layen,
West-Germany

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Well, a short count reveals 13 English words against 9 in German
(of which 7 names) and 1 Hungarian, but anyhow:

That's cheapish sweetish red plonk, made from pinot noir, designed
for the low end of the German market. Absolutely no commercial
value, curiosity only.

M.

Anders Tørneskog wrote:

It seems to be an overaged Burgundy-type (Pinot Noir) red wine
without a specified producer marketed by a German company
(Pieroth) which afaik caters to the low-end market.

True. And definitely on the very sweet side ("Ausbruch").

M.

True. And definitely on the very sweet side ("Ausbruch").

M
So, a _sweet_ Pinot Noir? That´s ... odd.
(Now I know somebody´s gonna tell me about the really _great_ sweet PN's
made in Outer Mongolia or from this small but perfect plot in ... you name
it ... and I´m sooo looking forward to it!)
)))

Cheers

Nils Gustaf

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Respond to nils dot lindgren at drchips dot se
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"Nils Gustaf Lindgren" wrote:

True. And definitely on the very sweet side ("Ausbruch").

So, a _sweet_ Pinot Noir?

Yes. "Ausbruch" in Hungarian is "Aszù", a term you probaly know
from Tokaj. In Austria, Ausbruch ranges between Beerenauslese and
Trockenbeerenauslese, requiring a minimum must weight of 139°Oe =
38.1°Brix (BA is 127°Oe = 29.4°Brix, TBA 156°Oe = 35.3°Brix). But
I am 100% sure that this wine is sweetened and not a botrytis
wine.

Btw, you can find botrytised reds in Austria; Alois Kracher
regularly has a red TBA in his collection, usually from zweigelt.

That´s ... odd.
(Now I know somebody´s gonna tell me about the really _great_
sweet PN's made in Outer Mongolia or from this small but perfect
plot in ... you name it ... and I´m sooo looking forward to it!)
)))

I've had a few pinot noir TBAs: Usually rather very light in
colour, and not something that gets me excited.

M.

Nils states:"So, a _sweet_ Pinot Noir? That=B4s ... odd. (Now I know
somebody=B4s gonna tell me about the really _great_ sweet PN's made in
Outer Mongolia or from this small but perfect plot in ... you name it
... and I=B4m sooo looking forward to it!)".

You may only have to go to Germany to find a sweet Pinot Noir. Perhaps
some is even exported to your country. Sp=E4tburgunder, as it is called
in Germany, is Pinot Noir. It is grown in several parts of Germany, but
for a long time at Assmannshausen in the Rheingau. The dry wine made
from Sp=E4tburgunder there in many years is very light and nearly a pink
wine. However sweet auslese wines long have been made there in years
when conditions are right. I have never tasted the very sweet version,
mainly because I did not think I would like it enough to seek it out. I
would not be surprised to find a sweet Pinot Noir from Austria also. It
seems that someone in Austria either makes, or has tried to make, a
sweet, late harvest wine from just about every grape that will grow
there, be it whiteor red.

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Nils Gustaf Lindgren wrote:
True. And definitely on the very sweet side ("Ausbruch").

M

So, a _sweet_ Pinot Noir? That´s ... odd.
(Now I know somebody´s gonna tell me about the really _great_ sweet PN's
made in Outer Mongolia or from this small but perfect plot in ... you name
it ... and I´m sooo looking forward to it!)
)))

This week I had dinner at my sister's, she served a
delightful Anderson Valley oddity, Husch Late Harvest Pinot
Noir. At 8.5% residual sugar, it was only mildy sweet and
finished remarkably clean and quite dry-feeling. It was
a treat.

Dana

"Michael Pronay" wrote in message
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True. And definitely on the very sweet side ("Ausbruch").

M.
Hi Michael,
I wasn't too sure whether that would be a sweet wine - interpreting Ausbruch
as an expression of ripeness, equal to Auslese, and so possibly fermented to
dryness...
Wouldn't the common Bordeaux grapes reach sugar levels equal to Ausbruch, by
the way?
Anders

"Anders Tørneskog" wrote:

True. And definitely on the very sweet side ("Ausbruch").

I wasn't too sure whether that would be a sweet wine -
interpreting Ausbruch as an expression of ripeness, equal to
Auslese, and so possibly fermented to dryness...

No. Ausbruch must readings (according to Austrian wine law) would
mean an alcohol content of 20%, so Ausbruch can never be dry.

You might have confounded it with "Ausstich" - a term that, like
Auslese, means something like "choice of the best", but has no
legal definition. Auslese, otoh, in Austria has to have a minimum
must weight of 21°KMW = 21°babo = 105°Oe = 24.7°brix which
correspond to 13.5 to 14% of alcohol, so this latter can be dry.
Note that in Germany, Auslese minimum sugar contents are much
lower.

Wouldn't the common Bordeaux grapes reach sugar levels equal to
Ausbruch, by the way?

Absolutely not - except if you talk about Sauternes, Monbazillac
et. al. in very good years.

M.

Cwdjrx _ wrote:

Nils states:"So, a _sweet_ Pinot Noir? That´s ... odd. (Now I know
somebody´s gonna tell me about the really _great_ sweet PN's made in
Outer Mongolia or from this small but perfect plot in ... you name it
.. and I´m sooo looking forward to it!)".

You may only have to go to Germany to find a sweet Pinot Noir. Perhaps
some is even exported to your country. Spätburgunder, as it is called
in Germany, is Pinot Noir. It is grown in several parts of Germany, but
for a long time at Assmannshausen in the Rheingau. The dry wine made
from Spätburgunder there in many years is very light and nearly a pink
wine.

I bought a bottle of dry Assmanshäuser red the first time I visited
Rheingau. It was marketed as a local specialty so I did not have much
expectations for it and was therefore not disappointed.

I can't remember the producer any more, but there was not much to
remember anyway. Light and thin are good descriptors for at least this
wine. There might, however, be better examples of red from
Assmanshausen, but based on the one bottle I've had I would not want to
spend my time on a random search for them.

Cheers,

-Topi Kuusinen, Finland

"Michael Pronay" wrote in message
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No. Ausbruch must readings (according to Austrian wine law) would
mean an alcohol content of 20%, so Ausbruch can never be dry.

....

Wouldn't the common Bordeaux grapes reach sugar levels equal to
Ausbruch, by the way?

Absolutely not - except if you talk about Sauternes, Monbazillac
et. al. in very good years.

Thank you Michael - I should have been aware that Ausbruch was that high up
in must readings! See now by Google that it is at least 27 KMW = about 139
Oechsle = about 31.7 Brix. Maybe not too impressive in California or
Morocco but certainly a quite high level in more northern areas!
Anders