Winemaking (rec.crafts.winemaking) Discussion of the process, recipes, tips, techniques and general exchange of lore on the process, methods and history of wine making. Includes traditional grape wines, sparkling wines & champagnes.

 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #1 (permalink)   Report Post  
Daniel Tortorici
 
Posts: n/a
Default The tale of acid, MLF, and What do I do Now?


In a previous post I mentioned that I had incorrectly measured TA
because I used .1N NaOH in a TA test where I should have used .2
This lead me to the erroneous conclusion that I had the dreaded high
acid, high pH fruit. I proceeded down the path of fermentation followed
by MLF figuring I had to reduce the acidity even though it would raise
the pH.

Thanks to some help from Greg Boyd and Ben Rotter I was able to
backtrack and recalculate the original juice details where TA was half
of what I incorrectly measured:

1. So it turns out the original numbers from the juice we
Cabernet TA 0.475 pH 3.89 (TA mis-measured 9.5)
Zinfandel TA 0.55 pH 3.98 (TA mis-measured 11)
Merlot TA 0.6 pH 3.9 (TA mis-measured 12)
Chardonnay TA 0.675 pH 3.53 (TA mis-measured 13.5)

2. I discovered the error before adding MLF (to the reds) toward the
middle of primary fermentation and measured using the correct .2N NaOH:
Cabernet TA 0.76 pH 3.87
Zinfandel TA 0.9 pH 3.84
Merlot TA 0.84 pH 3.67
Chardonnay TA 0.88 pH 3.43

OK, still looks like high acid and pH though I can't quite relate these
numbers to the back calculated numbers in #1. Something just doesn't
seem right. At any rate given these numbers I thought I would put the
reds through MLF.

3. 5 Days of MLF lead to the following numbers:
Cabernet TA 0.5 pH 3.97
Zinfandel TA 0.65 pH 3.86
Merlot TA 0.64 pH 3.72

At this point I added 50ppm sulfite and moved them into a 58 deg cellar.

So now I am faced with a number of questions.
A. Not sure about the numbers in 1 and 2. Doesn't give me a lot of
confidence.
B. Seems that MLF went real fast. I did verify with paper
chromotography. Is 5 days common?
C. Do I add tartaric acid to these now post fermentation and MLF to
lower pH and increase acid? If so how much change should I try to
achieve?

By the way, these are the quantities I am working with:
Cabernet 18 liters
Zinfandel 36 liters
Merlot 19 liters

thanks for any help,
Dan



 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ascorbic acid (vitamin c) vs. citric acid The Joneses[_1_] Preserving 2 29-07-2014 06:51 PM
Two Versions, One Tale Cheryl[_3_] General Cooking 7 10-09-2009 07:12 AM
A tale of two cabs Godzilla Wine 1 24-02-2008 06:32 PM
A tale of acid, MLF, and What do I do Now? Daniel Tortorici Winemaking 30 24-09-2004 11:18 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:23 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 FoodBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.
 

About Us

"It's about Food and drink"