Greetings,

I get the point of the saying. I also appreciate the idea of
laying down bottles and how the disturbance of re-bottling would be
harmful. But when I heard it today it made me (now a newbie vintner)
stop and wonder how this ever got to be a truism. Most such
folk-sayings have a "truth" somewhere associated with them.
Does anyone care to comment on this ?

Have a Great Weekend,

Andrew

reply@grouponly wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I get the point of the saying. I also appreciate the idea of
> laying down bottles and how the disturbance of re-bottling would be
> harmful. But when I heard it today it made me (now a newbie vintner)
> stop and wonder how this ever got to be a truism. Most such
> folk-sayings have a "truth" somewhere associated with them.
> Does anyone care to comment on this ?
>
> Have a Great Weekend,
>
> Andrew


It sounds like a misquote of Jesus; he said you can't put new wine in
old wineskins (because they would burst).

Bob

reply@grouponly wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I get the point of the saying. I also appreciate the idea of
> laying down bottles and how the disturbance of re-bottling would be
> harmful. But when I heard it today it made me (now a newbie vintner)
> stop and wonder how this ever got to be a truism. Most such
> folk-sayings have a "truth" somewhere associated with them.
> Does anyone care to comment on this ?
>
> Have a Great Weekend,
>
> Andrew


It sounds like a misquote of Jesus; he said you can't put new wine in
old wineskins (because they would burst).

Bob

Yes, it was a quote of Jesus, although a misquote.

It can be found in Matthew 9:17 (the first book of the New Testament)

When the religious authorities were trying to criticize Jesus and his
disciples, as well as Jesus' teachings, saying they went against the old
testament laws and traditions, Jesus was saying that what he was offering
was fresh and new, and just didn't fit their old ways of thinking which had
lost God's intended focus.
Old wineskins were brittle, inflexible. New wine was fermenting, giving off
gas. You needed newer flexible wineskins to expand and stretch as the young
wine still gave of CO2, or else, new wine in old wineskins would burst the
dry skins, losing everything. So too, God's purpose in Jesus needed open,
hungry and humble hearts to be received, instead of inflexible, immoveable
traditions and attitudes.

Hope that's helpful.

Rick
Fremont, MI

Yes, it was a quote of Jesus, although a misquote.

It can be found in Matthew 9:17 (the first book of the New Testament)

When the religious authorities were trying to criticize Jesus and his
disciples, as well as Jesus' teachings, saying they went against the old
testament laws and traditions, Jesus was saying that what he was offering
was fresh and new, and just didn't fit their old ways of thinking which had
lost God's intended focus.
Old wineskins were brittle, inflexible. New wine was fermenting, giving off
gas. You needed newer flexible wineskins to expand and stretch as the young
wine still gave of CO2, or else, new wine in old wineskins would burst the
dry skins, losing everything. So too, God's purpose in Jesus needed open,
hungry and humble hearts to be received, instead of inflexible, immoveable
traditions and attitudes.

Hope that's helpful.

Rick
Fremont, MI

Yes, it was a quote of Jesus, although a misquote.

It can be found in Matthew 9:17 (the first book of the New Testament)

When the religious authorities were trying to criticize Jesus and his
disciples, as well as Jesus' teachings, saying they went against the old
testament laws and traditions, Jesus was saying that what he was offering
was fresh and new, and just didn't fit their old ways of thinking which had
lost God's intended focus.
Old wineskins were brittle, inflexible. New wine was fermenting, giving off
gas. You needed newer flexible wineskins to expand and stretch as the young
wine still gave of CO2, or else, new wine in old wineskins would burst the
dry skins, losing everything. So too, God's purpose in Jesus needed open,
hungry and humble hearts to be received, instead of inflexible, immoveable
traditions and attitudes.

Hope that's helpful.

Rick
Fremont, MI

Makes sense. The skins would stretch, they were made of hide.
Joe
>
> It sounds like a misquote of Jesus; he said you can't put new wine in
> old wineskins (because they would burst).
>
> Bob

Makes sense. The skins would stretch, they were made of hide.
Joe
>
> It sounds like a misquote of Jesus; he said you can't put new wine in
> old wineskins (because they would burst).
>
> Bob

Hi Rick...I've tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
any?........andy j.

Hi Rick...I've tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
any?........andy j.

Hi Rick...I've tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
any?........andy j.

Hi Rick...I've tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
any?........andy j.

Hi Rick...I've tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
any?........andy j.

Hi Rick...I've tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
any?........andy j.

Here's a link from a friend:

http://home.carolina.rr.com/winemaking/

It's at least a look at the art of making wine from Bible times....
an intereaction of the process of winemaking as well as Bible verses...

That's as far as I know.

Rick



"Andy j." > wrote in message
om...
> Hi Rick...I've tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
> the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
> such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
> any?........andy j.

Here's a link from a friend:

http://home.carolina.rr.com/winemaking/

It's at least a look at the art of making wine from Bible times....
an intereaction of the process of winemaking as well as Bible verses...

That's as far as I know.

Rick



"Andy j." > wrote in message
om...
> Hi Rick...I've tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
> the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
> such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
> any?........andy j.

I always thought that quote was refering to old skins being infected due to
wine in contact with air in them and the old wine would ruin the new.

So he was either polking at the old was because they were inflexible and
could not accept new ideas or because their old ideas would infect and sour
the new ones. A little different conotation either way.

Ray

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> reply@grouponly wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I get the point of the saying. I also appreciate the idea of
>> laying down bottles and how the disturbance of re-bottling would be
>> harmful. But when I heard it today it made me (now a newbie vintner)
>> stop and wonder how this ever got to be a truism. Most such
>> folk-sayings have a "truth" somewhere associated with them. Does anyone
>> care to comment on this ?
>>
>> Have a Great Weekend,
>>
>> Andrew
>
>
> It sounds like a misquote of Jesus; he said you can't put new wine in old
> wineskins (because they would burst).
>
> Bob

I always thought that quote was refering to old skins being infected due to
wine in contact with air in them and the old wine would ruin the new.

So he was either polking at the old was because they were inflexible and
could not accept new ideas or because their old ideas would infect and sour
the new ones. A little different conotation either way.

Ray

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> reply@grouponly wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I get the point of the saying. I also appreciate the idea of
>> laying down bottles and how the disturbance of re-bottling would be
>> harmful. But when I heard it today it made me (now a newbie vintner)
>> stop and wonder how this ever got to be a truism. Most such
>> folk-sayings have a "truth" somewhere associated with them. Does anyone
>> care to comment on this ?
>>
>> Have a Great Weekend,
>>
>> Andrew
>
>
> It sounds like a misquote of Jesus; he said you can't put new wine in old
> wineskins (because they would burst).
>
> Bob

Hi Andy,

I'm not aware of an Internet resource, but a good book on the subject is "A
Short History of Wine" by Rod Phillips. Chapter 2 is "Democratic Drinking -
Wine in Ancient Greece and Rome", which covers the 1st century.

I host the web site that Rick Vanderwal referred to, "Winemaking In The
Bible", which covers basic principles of winemaking from the beginning of
the Old Testament (about 5,000 BC) until the close of the New Testament
canon, (about 100 AD).

Regards,

Gary

http://home.carolina.rr.com/winemaking/



"Andy j." > wrote in message
om...
> Hi Rick...I've tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
> the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
> such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
> any?........andy j.

Hi Andy,

I'm not aware of an Internet resource, but a good book on the subject is "A
Short History of Wine" by Rod Phillips. Chapter 2 is "Democratic Drinking -
Wine in Ancient Greece and Rome", which covers the 1st century.

I host the web site that Rick Vanderwal referred to, "Winemaking In The
Bible", which covers basic principles of winemaking from the beginning of
the Old Testament (about 5,000 BC) until the close of the New Testament
canon, (about 100 AD).

Regards,

Gary

http://home.carolina.rr.com/winemaking/



"Andy j." > wrote in message
om...
> Hi Rick...I've tried to find good pages on the internet dealing with
> the history of wine in 1st century Palestine, Rome, Greece and
> such....what wine would have been like....customs etc. .....know of
> any?........andy j.

Thx. to All for replies. I turned 50 last week and I think
the quote I gave ( "Old wine in New Bottles") is becoming
more and more true as time goes on !

Andrew