Dear Paul,

May every glass of wine you drink from today remind you of the blood
The Lord Jesus Christ spilt for your forgiveness.

Whether you enjoy it or not I leave with you, this is in your hands.
Though I pray that you will know this as the blessing Christian's know
at His table.

Carol T

Carol T wrote:

> Dear Paul,
>
> May every glass of wine you drink from today remind you of the blood
> The Lord Jesus Christ spilt for your forgiveness.
>
> Whether you enjoy it or not I leave with you, this is in your hands.
> Though I pray that you will know this as the blessing Christian's know
> at His table.
>
> Carol T

Carol,
You have my home email address. This is a personnal message. There is no
reason to broadcast it to the world. In the future, if you have a
personnal message for me, I ask you to deliver it personally. You have
already professed your beliefs in off topic posts on various newsgroups.
Stick to the subject, please.

"Paul E. Lehmann" wrote:

> Carol T wrote:
>
> > Dear Paul,
> >
> > May every glass of wine you drink from today remind you of the blood
> > The Lord Jesus Christ spilt for your forgiveness.
> >
> > Whether you enjoy it or not I leave with you, this is in your hands.
> > Though I pray that you will know this as the blessing Christian's know
> > at His table.
> >
> > Carol T
>
> Carol,
> You have my home email address.

How do you know?

> This is a personnal message.

It is a personal message.

> There is no
> reason to broadcast it to the world.

She can if she chooses.

> In the future, if you have a
> personnal message for me, I ask you to deliver it personally.

You certainly may ask it. However, it would remain her choice to comply.

Personally, I think it is nice that she professes her love for you publically.

Kind of like skywriting :-)

> You have
> already professed your beliefs in off topic posts on various newsgroups.

So have you.

>
> Stick to the subject, please.

Seems like you are the subject in this thread.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > scribed upon the
newsgroup scroll :

>
>> There is no
>> reason to broadcast it to the world.
>
> She can if she chooses.

Sure she can do whatever she chooses, but just because she can
doesn't make it proper. The object of the initial post is correct,
there's no reason for one person to "broadcast to the world" what she
thinks another's religious position is. A public forum is never the
appropriate place for what is obviously a personal message directed to
one person, regardless of the topic.
As Christians, we have an obligation to spread the gospel into all
the world, but not at the expense of those to whom we are spreading the
Word.







--
Allen McBroom ><>
Remove WOOF when replying by email

Allen McBroom wrote:

> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > scribed upon the
> newsgroup scroll :
>
> >
> >> There is no
> >> reason to broadcast it to the world.
> >
> > She can if she chooses.
>
> Sure she can do whatever she chooses, but just because she can
> doesn't make it proper. The object of the initial post is correct,
> there's no reason for one person to "broadcast to the world" what she
> thinks another's religious position is. A public forum is never the
> appropriate place for what is obviously a personal message directed to
> one person, regardless of the topic.
> As Christians, we have an obligation to spread the gospel into all
> the world, but not at the expense of those to whom we are spreading the
> Word.
>

Correct.

That's why probably Carol did not charge Mr. Lehmann a fee for the service.



Humble bond-servant of Christ,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

well put, Allen.

In my experience, when trying to share one's faith in Jesus, it is almost
always the most effectively done in the context of a kind, caring
relationship where trust is being built or has been built up. Bill Hybel's
book: "Becoming a Contagious Christian" also talks about people finding
a natural style of sharing one's faith in a way that is not only suitable
for the person but also suitable for the situation.

Perhaps some of the seeds that have been placed here by people such as Carol
T. or Dr. Andy will take root someday, especially when something that seems
or sounds really bizarre just kind of nags at one's conscience...until
there's one of those "aha" moments of understanding and acceptance. But in
my other experiences, sharing one's faith in an argumentative way doesn't
really do much to change one person's mind. I think of Jehovah's Witnesses
or Mormons who've come to my door...arguing gets you no where, but instead
makes everyone defensive, and when you're defensive, there's not much chance
of creating the kind of atmosphere that's receptive to the message much less
the messenger.

What's finally come on this winemaking list is something, as I've seen, has
been going on quite a while on the cardiology site..
It sounds like the good news has been shared...
the seed has been planted....
but now it's time to let go and let God...

just my 2 cents worth...

Rick

Rick Vanderwal wrote:

> well put, Allen.
>
> In my experience, when trying to share one's faith in Jesus, it is almost
> always the most effectively done in the context of a kind, caring
> relationship where trust is being built or has been built up. Bill Hybel's
> book: "Becoming a Contagious Christian" also talks about people finding
> a natural style of sharing one's faith in a way that is not only suitable
> for the person but also suitable for the situation.
>
> Perhaps some of the seeds that have been placed here by people such as Carol
> T. or Dr. Andy will take root someday, especially when something that seems
> or sounds really bizarre just kind of nags at one's conscience...until
> there's one of those "aha" moments of understanding and acceptance. But in
> my other experiences, sharing one's faith in an argumentative way doesn't
> really do much to change one person's mind. I think of Jehovah's Witnesses
> or Mormons who've come to my door...arguing gets you no where, but instead
> makes everyone defensive, and when you're defensive, there's not much chance
> of creating the kind of atmosphere that's receptive to the message much less
> the messenger.
>
> What's finally come on this winemaking list is something, as I've seen, has
> been going on quite a while on the cardiology site..
> It sounds like the good news has been shared...
> the seed has been planted....
> but now it's time to let go and let God...
>
> just my 2 cents worth...
>
> Rick

Appreciate your comments, Rick. And I largely agree :-)


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

--
Who is the humblest person in the universe?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L21532147

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:26:31 -0500, "Rick Vanderwal"
> wrote:

>In my experience, when trying to share one's faith in Jesus, it is almost
>always the most effectively done in the context of a kind, caring
>relationship where trust is being built or has been built up.

Almost always is the operative phrase.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap970210.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

"Paul E. Lehmann" > wrote in message >...



Dear Paul,

The subject is the 'wine' you will drink, and the 'heart' you have
touched.

You sent a message to a public newsgroup on 18/09/2003 which I read
and cannot take away from you; nor can I remove the hurt it caused me
except through giving you this gift of remembrance and forgiveness.


"In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This
cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink
it, in remembrance of Me." NKJ 1Cr 11:25

"Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of
God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except
by the Holy Spirit." 1Cr 12:3

If you curse Jesus, even if you personally think that He is not God's
Son, then you are not a Jew but a none-believer; for a true Jew in
faith loves their neighbours and will not hurt their hearts. If you
are not a Jew in faith (as a Gentile), then you can only come to God
through the Saviour for the forgiveness of your sin.

Because you have had a heavy heart you 'have' been given what you
wanted most from Him. It is good news for you and something to share
with others, not to be hidden away.

Carol T

Carol T wrote:


Actually, it doesn't much matter what you wrote.

If the newsgroups you posted to wanted to talk about religion, they'd be
religious newsgroups. They aren't.

If you don't want to discuss the topics relevant to the newsgroups, then
with all due respect - beat it or take it offlist.

Karen

Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:12:58 -0600 in article >
Karen Heim > wrote:
>
>Carol T wrote:
>
>
>Actually, it doesn't much matter what you wrote.
>
>If the newsgroups you posted to wanted to talk about religion, they'd be
>religious newsgroups. They aren't.
>
>If you don't want to discuss the topics relevant to the newsgroups, then
>with all due respect - beat it or take it offlist.
>
Exactly. Are you listening Carol T? We are getting extremely tired and fed
up with your endless religious babble. Take it to religious newsgroups where
it belongs. Otherwise we may have to report you to your ISP.



--
Matti Narkia

Matti Narkia wrote:

> Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:12:58 -0600 in article >
> Karen Heim > wrote:
> >
> >Carol T wrote:
> >
> >
> >Actually, it doesn't much matter what you wrote.
> >
> >If the newsgroups you posted to wanted to talk about religion, they'd be
> >religious newsgroups. They aren't.
> >
> >If you don't want to discuss the topics relevant to the newsgroups, then
> >with all due respect - beat it or take it offlist.
> >
> Exactly. Are you listening Carol T?

I don't know about Carol, but I am sure God is listening, Matti.

What is God hearing from your heart?


> We are getting extremely tired and fed
> up with your endless religious babble.

Why do Carol's words hurt your ears (eyes), Matti?

> Take it to religious newsgroups where
> it belongs.

Or keep it here if she chooses.

> Otherwise we may have to report you to your ISP.
>

Speak for yourself.

>
> --
> Matti Narkia

You remain in my prayers, neighbor.

May you accept Christ as your Lord and Savior someday.



Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

--
Who is the humblest person in the universe?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L21532147