Hello all in the wine making group. I would like to ask you all for some
information. I am currently studying computer programing. I have to create a
program for the end of the class. I want to make my program on wine making
but need some input on what kind of infomation should be in it and what kind
of tasks the program should accomplish. Does anyone have any suggestions on
what kind of tasks would be good for this program. I was thinking of
starting with the measurement equations for problems like "this much sugar
makes this much alcohol. adding this much acid will make this ph" and so on.
I can make this program as in depth as I want. So after I get an A for
the program I will distribute it out to anyone in here that wants a copy of
it. Also ive notices there is alot of ppl in here from over seas (im in the
USA) should this be written in our math or the metric system. or both.
Stephen Burch

Stephen wrote" I was thinking of starting with the measurement equations for
problems like "this much sugar
> makes this much alcohol. adding this much acid will make this ph" and so
on."

Stephen - If you can write a program to predict what the pH will be after
adding a specific amount of acid to various grape musts or wines you should
surely get an A.

Bill Frazier
Olathe, Kansas

I have written a program that I call Lazy Hill Wine Log that is
available at: http://www.chadandtrish.com/winelog. This is a Windows
program, I apologize to the Apple users, that runs on an Access
backend. I am in the process of releasing an update which will
include a Ingredient Note/Recipe Section and XML Reports. PLease take
a look at it and let me know. Several people on this newsgroup are
currently using it, and have helped improve it's functionality with
their suggestions. Thanks

Chad

Wine Log Software - http://www.chadandtrish.com/winelog

My only comment: don't assume everyone has Windows, because Mac users
make wine too.

Karen

Stephen wrote:

>Hello all in the wine making group. I would like to ask you all for some
>information. I am currently studying computer programing. I have to create a
>program for the end of the class. I want to make my program on wine making
>but need some input on what kind of infomation should be in it and what kind
>of tasks the program should accomplish. Does anyone have any suggestions on
>what kind of tasks would be good for this program. I was thinking of
>starting with the measurement equations for problems like "this much sugar
>makes this much alcohol. adding this much acid will make this ph" and so on.
>I can make this program as in depth as I want. So after I get an A for
>the program I will distribute it out to anyone in here that wants a copy of
>it. Also ive notices there is alot of ppl in here from over seas (im in the
>USA) should this be written in our math or the metric system. or both.
>Stephen Burch
>
>

On 1/21/04 10:38 PM, in article , "Karen Heim"
> wrote:

> My only comment: don't assume everyone has Windows, because Mac users
> make wine too.
>
> Karen

Indeed! Thanks Karen!


--
Greg Cook
http://homepage.mac.com/gregcook/Wine
<Made on a Mac>

(remove spamblocker from my email)

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:37:44 -0600, Greg Cook
> wrote:

> On 1/21/04 10:38 PM, in article , "Karen
> Heim"
> > wrote:
>
>> My only comment: don't assume everyone has Windows, because Mac users
>> make wine too.
>>
>> Karen
>
> Indeed! Thanks Karen!

I'm creating a wine making program that will run on most operating
systems. It is currently being developed and tested on Windows and Linux.
It should work on Mac OS X but it is untested on this OS. The web page is:

http://www.fermsoft.com/amphora/

Currently there are no downloads available but I will be uploading a
public beta test release within the next 2 weeks. I'm especially
interested in getting feedback from Mac users as I don't currently have a
Mac OS available for testing. Of course feedback is welcome from users of
other operating systems as well.

Robert
www.fermsoft.com

Considered doing this myself actually. I personally was thinking of
creating a program that allowed you to deal with the process on a
project basis, allowing you to enter the ingredients, and set up a
timetable for fermenting and racking. The program could then have a
global diary, letting you know what you need to get done in a certain
week or on a certain day......i.e.

Sat 14th Feb - Rack banana to secondary
Rack tomato and basil (2nd Rack)
Bottle Shiraz
Buy wife flowers!!!

Allow for a simple journaling feature, and then when it comes time to
make the same wine again, you can fire up the old project and start it
over. This time, however, all your useful comments and tid-bits will
be there, so you can tweak a recipe over many iterations.

Nice to have a few utility functions too. For instance, It'd be nice
to have something to calculate the likes of:

If I have 600ml of strawberry juice from a couple of cans of
fresh strawberrys that has a PA of 22%, how much water and sugar do I
need to add to make a galon of 13% wine. Obviously it can't be too
accurate, as the strawberrys themselves could vary greatly in sugar
content, but it could be as accurate as necessary for my purpose.

The comment about not eveyone owning a windows PC is also worth
bearing in mind, which would lead me to suggest that you either use a
cross-platform language like Java, or you use a cross-platform library
like wxWindows....I'd personally use the latter. Are you required to
use a specific language for your course?

j.

You could also make it an online Web application written using
XML/XSLT with a lightweight database on the back-end that stores data,
such as MySQL. You can use a Web app like Cocoon to be the servlet
that consumes the XML and transforms it into HTML. That way, it
doesn't matter what platform accesses it (Sun, Linux, PC, Mac, Amiga,
whatever), it'll work. All the end-use needs is a browser and an
Internet connection. You'd certainly have a unique site!

Developing your idea in Cocoon would be about 25% of the work
required compared to doing it in Java. I wouldn't suggest doing it
that way. All you need is a server to host it. I have install
instructions I wrote that can get you started. Cocoon and MySQL are
open source freeware. You can use Tomcat to host the site.

Personally, I'd love to see you start small and built. Like,
perhaps create a page that does all the calculations. Someone can
input some beginning data, like SG, TA, pH, etc. Then add to the page
based on feedback from people here. You can have a button that
toggles between metric and other units. It's a lot easier to do
calculations in XSL/XSP than in Java. Once you're comfortable with
that platform, you could create a page like this in about a day.

However you end-up deciding to to this, I'm curious to see what
you produce! I think you have some superb ideas!

-Paul

hammerstein > wrote in message >. ..
> Considered doing this myself actually. I personally was thinking of
> creating a program that allowed you to deal with the process on a
> project basis, allowing you to enter the ingredients, and set up a
> timetable for fermenting and racking. The program could then have a
> global diary, letting you know what you need to get done in a certain
> week or on a certain day......i.e.
>
> Sat 14th Feb - Rack banana to secondary
> Rack tomato and basil (2nd Rack)
> Bottle Shiraz
> Buy wife flowers!!!
>
> Allow for a simple journaling feature, and then when it comes time to
> make the same wine again, you can fire up the old project and start it
> over. This time, however, all your useful comments and tid-bits will
> be there, so you can tweak a recipe over many iterations.
>
> Nice to have a few utility functions too. For instance, It'd be nice
> to have something to calculate the likes of:
>
> If I have 600ml of strawberry juice from a couple of cans of
> fresh strawberrys that has a PA of 22%, how much water and sugar do I
> need to add to make a galon of 13% wine. Obviously it can't be too
> accurate, as the strawberrys themselves could vary greatly in sugar
> content, but it could be as accurate as necessary for my purpose.
>
> The comment about not eveyone owning a windows PC is also worth
> bearing in mind, which would lead me to suggest that you either use a
> cross-platform language like Java, or you use a cross-platform library
> like wxWindows....I'd personally use the latter. Are you required to
> use a specific language for your course?
>
> j.

On 22 Jan 2004 10:58:39 -0800, Paul S. Remington
> wrote:

> You could also make it an online Web application written using
> XML/XSLT with a lightweight database on the back-end that stores data,
> such as MySQL. You can use a Web app like Cocoon to be the servlet
> that consumes the XML and transforms it into HTML. That way, it
> doesn't matter what platform accesses it (Sun, Linux, PC, Mac, Amiga,
> whatever), it'll work. All the end-use needs is a browser and an
> Internet connection. You'd certainly have a unique site!
>
>
> -Paul

I've created something similar to what you describe. It is an online wine
log, using MySQL for the database and using PHP for the server-side logic.
All you need is a web browser and internet connection.

http://www.fermsoft.com/log/index.php

Robert
www.fermsoft.com

Very impressive! I love the calculator! Yeah, instead of using Cocoon
with MySQL, you've used PHP with MySQL. Variation on a theme. Very, very
nice! Thanks for doing all that work. Glad to know your site exists!

-Paul

"Robert Tyrie" > wrote in message
news
> On 22 Jan 2004 10:58:39 -0800, Paul S. Remington
> > wrote:
>
> > You could also make it an online Web application written using
> > XML/XSLT with a lightweight database on the back-end that stores data,
> > such as MySQL. You can use a Web app like Cocoon to be the servlet
> > that consumes the XML and transforms it into HTML. That way, it
> > doesn't matter what platform accesses it (Sun, Linux, PC, Mac, Amiga,
> > whatever), it'll work. All the end-use needs is a browser and an
> > Internet connection. You'd certainly have a unique site!
> >
> >
> > -Paul
>
> I've created something similar to what you describe. It is an online wine
> log, using MySQL for the database and using PHP for the server-side logic.
> All you need is a web browser and internet connection.
>
> http://www.fermsoft.com/log/index.php
>
> Robert
> www.fermsoft.com
>

On 1/23/04 8:59 PM, in article , "Robert
Tyrie" > wrote:

> I've created something similar to what you describe. It is an online wine
> log, using MySQL for the database and using PHP for the server-side logic.
> All you need is a web browser and internet connection.
>
> http://www.fermsoft.com/log/index.php
>
> Robert
> www.fermsoft.com
>

Robert - this is nice. Thanks for doing it.

By the way - Your browser requirements are a little misleading -- The latest
version of Internet Explorer for Macintosh is 5.2.3 -- there is no version
6. And I hear M$FT has decided to only develop IE as part of Windows in the
future - so no more IE for mac. FYI - Apple's browser, Safari works
perfectly with your site.

--
Greg Cook
http://homepage.mac.com/gregcook/Wine

(remove spamblocker from my email)

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:56:19 -0600, Greg Cook
> wrote:

>
> Robert - this is nice. Thanks for doing it.
>
> By the way - Your browser requirements are a little misleading -- The
> latest
> version of Internet Explorer for Macintosh is 5.2.3 -- there is no
> version
> 6. And I hear M$FT has decided to only develop IE as part of Windows in
> the
> future - so no more IE for mac. FYI - Apple's browser, Safari works
> perfectly with your site.
>

Glad you like the site. The browser list is just a list of recommended
browsers. The site will still work with older versions of all the browsers
listed, as well as other browsers that do not appear in the list (such as
Safari). The site is designed according to the standards set by the World
Wide Web Consortium (W3C), so it will work with any browser that
understands current XHTML and CSS standards. I recommend these particular
versions because the site has been tested using these browsers.

Robert
www.fermsoft.com

Stephen wrote:

> Hello all in the wine making group. I would like to ask you all for some
> information. I am currently studying computer programing. I have to create a
> program for the end of the class. I want to make my program on wine making
> but need some input on what kind of infomation should be in it and what kind
> of tasks the program should accomplish.

Keep in mind that there is a wine calculator out there already.
<http://www.geocities.com/mipeman/winecalc.html>

--
charles

"Once ... in the wilds of Afghanistan, I lost my corkscrew, and we were
forced to live on nothing but food and water for days."
- W.C. Fields

Yes, but my DSL is not installed in the "winery" :-)

"Charles H" > wrote in message
...
> Stephen wrote:
>
> > Hello all in the wine making group. I would like to ask you all for some
> > information. I am currently studying computer programing. I have to
create a
> > program for the end of the class. I want to make my program on wine
making
> > but need some input on what kind of infomation should be in it and what
kind
> > of tasks the program should accomplish.
>
> Keep in mind that there is a wine calculator out there already.
> <http://www.geocities.com/mipeman/winecalc.html>
>
> --
> charles
>
> "Once ... in the wilds of Afghanistan, I lost my corkscrew, and we were
> forced to live on nothing but food and water for days."
> - W.C. Fields

Fred Williams wrote:

> Yes, but my DSL is not installed in the "winery" :-)

You don't need DSL to run that program, it is pretty tiny to download,
and it runs off the computer, rather than being on a website.

--
charles

"Once ... in the wilds of Afghanistan, I lost my corkscrew, and we were
forced to live on nothing but food and water for days."
- W.C. Fields