It ain't purdy, but I hope it works. I see a load of deer tracks out there
too, so I can add them to the "Most Wanted" poster too. The end wires you
see aren't taught, but the wires running the length are. They are 6 and 12
inches off the ground. I may have already lost 20% of this row. We shall see
how the fence works! Thanks for the tips, everyone.
http://users.adelphia.net/~aken75/
Ken A.

So I don't get busted, I meant "taut." Can I blame the keyboard? : )

"Ken Anderson" > wrote in message
et...
> It ain't purdy, but I hope it works. I see a load of deer tracks out there
> too, so I can add them to the "Most Wanted" poster too. The end wires you
> see aren't taught, but the wires running the length are. They are 6 and 12
> inches off the ground. I may have already lost 20% of this row. We shall
see
> how the fence works! Thanks for the tips, everyone.
> http://users.adelphia.net/~aken75/
> Ken A.
>
>

You didn't mention deer before. You may have to run another wire a bit
higher, if they become a problem.

"Ken Anderson" > wrote in message
et...
> It ain't purdy, but I hope it works. I see a load of deer tracks out there
> too, so I can add them to the "Most Wanted" poster too. The end wires you
> see aren't taught, but the wires running the length are. They are 6 and 12
> inches off the ground. I may have already lost 20% of this row. We shall
see
> how the fence works! Thanks for the tips, everyone.
> http://users.adelphia.net/~aken75/
> Ken A.
>
>

Ken Anderson wrote:

>It ain't purdy, but I hope it works. I see a load of deer tracks out there
>too, so I can add them to the "Most Wanted" poster too. The end wires you
>see aren't taught, but the wires running the length are. They are 6 and 12
>inches off the ground. I may have already lost 20% of this row. We shall see
>how the fence works! Thanks for the tips, everyone.
>http://users.adelphia.net/~aken75/
>Ken A.
>
Here is one of those funny/wierd things that I have heard, deer do
not like the smell of original Irish Spring Soap and will avoid eating
plants near were it is placed. Now not having a garden, I don't know how
accurate it is, but the guy on the gardening radio show seemed to think
it was great.
Ken

Ken,
Don't want to burst your bubble but that ain't gonna work. Been there,
done that and it doesn't work. The little ones jump right between the
wires if the big ones don't jump over it. The fence I have which works
great is a system which uses the fencing you get at homw depot. 7 ft
high. You string 2 wires between 2 posts , one at 7 ft and the other
at ground level. Get "turnbuckles to tighten the two wires and then
"hand the deer fence with plastic ties. You need to brace the end
posts on the inside, 2X4's will do into the ground. It's easy to put
up, it works and if you stain the posts a gray you can barely see it.

Hope this helps.

Good luck.


Bob



"Ken Anderson" > wrote in message . net>...
> It ain't purdy, but I hope it works. I see a load of deer tracks out there
> too, so I can add them to the "Most Wanted" poster too. The end wires you
> see aren't taught, but the wires running the length are. They are 6 and 12
> inches off the ground. I may have already lost 20% of this row. We shall see
> how the fence works! Thanks for the tips, everyone.
> http://users.adelphia.net/~aken75/
> Ken A.

Opps,

"Hang the deer fence from the top wire to the bottom tying at top and
bottom. make sure the wires are tight .


"Ken Anderson" > wrote in message . net>...
> It ain't purdy, but I hope it works. I see a load of deer tracks out there
> too, so I can add them to the "Most Wanted" poster too. The end wires you
> see aren't taught, but the wires running the length are. They are 6 and 12
> inches off the ground. I may have already lost 20% of this row. We shall see
> how the fence works! Thanks for the tips, everyone.
> http://users.adelphia.net/~aken75/
> Ken A.

"bob" > wrote:

> Don't want to burst your bubble but that ain't gonna work. Been there,
> done that and it doesn't work. The little ones jump right between the
> wires if the big ones don't jump over it....

That may well be a problem. If it is, Ken may have to add another wire.

> ... The fence I have which works
> great is a system which uses the fencing you get at homw depot. 7 ft
> high. You string 2 wires between 2 posts , one at 7 ft and the other
> at ground level. Get "turnbuckles to tighten the two wires and then
> "hand the deer fence with plastic ties. You need to brace the end
> posts on the inside, 2X4's will do into the ground. It's easy to put
> up, it works and if you stain the posts a gray you can barely see it.

That might keep out the deer, but the raccoons will climb right over it. If
you are going to go to those lengths, (which I don't think are necessary),
you may as well use chain link, or "field fence" (which has a fine mesh at
the bottom for small animals, and an increasingly wider mesh as you move to
the top). T-posts are easier to drive, stronger, and more durable than 2x4s.
And they don't require corner braces.

"bob" > wrote in message
om...
> Ken,
> Don't want to burst your bubble but that ain't gonna work. Been there,
> done that and it doesn't work. The little ones jump right between the
> wires if the big ones don't jump over it. The fence I have which works
> great is a system which uses the fencing you get at homw depot. 7 ft
> high. You string 2 wires between 2 posts , one at 7 ft and the other
> at ground level. Get "turnbuckles to tighten the two wires and then
> "hand the deer fence with plastic ties. You need to brace the end
> posts on the inside, 2X4's will do into the ground. It's easy to put
> up, it works and if you stain the posts a gray you can barely see it.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> Bob
>
I did some more googling before doing the fence thing. I found folks who
claimed the fence works. And, if it's on the internet, it HAS to be true,
right? ; ) At least it only cost me under $30. In the OP picture, to the
right is a row of first year Cab Franc, Riesling and Chard are further over.
Those are Niagaras I'm trying to save this year, but by next year I'm gonna
want to have something effective in place to control critters. There's got
to be a way, or my name's Elmer Fudd.

Hi Ken,
it looks pretty weird. No offence, but this ain't work as you wish.
If you put loose hanging piece of cloth (tags, tatter) to the wires, it
should do.
Do you rember in former times how the reindeers to be kept in the forest?
Same thing here to keep them away.
Keep is informed if you succeed.
Good luck.
Ri


"Ken Anderson" > wrote in message
et...
> It ain't purdy, but I hope it works. I see a load of deer tracks out there
> too, so I can add them to the "Most Wanted" poster too. The end wires you
> see aren't taught, but the wires running the length are. They are 6 and 12
> inches off the ground. I may have already lost 20% of this row. We shall
see
> how the fence works! Thanks for the tips, everyone.
> http://users.adelphia.net/~aken75/
> Ken A.
>
>

Hi

Maybe I missed something, but is that an electric fence? If it is you
should mark it for people. If it isnt a deer will a)walk over it b)walk
thru it like it wasnt there c) jump over it or d) all of the above.

Deer fence is usually 7 feet high and if you are truly paranoid has a string
of barbed or electric running along the top. Racoons are crafty and will
find a way if they want to and well turkeys will probably stay out but they
are usually dumb enough to find their way in by accident.

I have found that Milorganite works to keep deer away from my gardens and it
makes everything grow nice. But anything we really want to save is in a
"compound" like i described above.

Good Luck!

Sean

"Ken Anderson" > wrote in message
et...
> It ain't purdy, but I hope it works. I see a load of deer tracks out there
> too, so I can add them to the "Most Wanted" poster too. The end wires you
> see aren't taught, but the wires running the length are. They are 6 and 12
> inches off the ground. I may have already lost 20% of this row. We shall
see
> how the fence works! Thanks for the tips, everyone.
> http://users.adelphia.net/~aken75/
> Ken A.
>
>

> Here is one of those funny/wierd things that I have heard, deer do
>not like the smell of original Irish Spring Soap and will avoid eating
>plants near were it is placed. Now not having a garden, I don't know how
>accurate it is, but the guy on the gardening radio show seemed to think
>it was great.

a number of the deer hunters I work with have mentioned something to
that effect. One guy is trying to drive out a rival hunter by
sprinkling it around the other guy's stand. hoping to keep the deer
away from the other guy and over to his. Several other hunters have
agreed that Irish spring will drive deer away like nothing else,
except maybe gasoline. They say that will keep them away too, but is
hard to keep in a spot. Gas is better for a temporary solution, but
Irish spring is good for the long haul.




email: dallyn_spam at yahoo dot com
please respond in this NG so others
can share your wisdom as well!

My vegetable garden was destroyed by Deer this year, so next year I will be
creating a compound like Sean suggests. I am also starting a small vineyard
(24 vines) next spring. Will the deer bother the vines or do they wait
until the fruit appears? Basically, should I fence the vineyard from the
get go.

Thanks


"Sean" > wrote in message
news:Feghb.244$XS4.219@edtnps84...
> Hi
>
> Maybe I missed something, but is that an electric fence? If it is you
> should mark it for people. If it isnt a deer will a)walk over it b)walk
> thru it like it wasnt there c) jump over it or d) all of the above.
>
> Deer fence is usually 7 feet high and if you are truly paranoid has a
string
> of barbed or electric running along the top. Racoons are crafty and will
> find a way if they want to and well turkeys will probably stay out but
they
> are usually dumb enough to find their way in by accident.
>
> I have found that Milorganite works to keep deer away from my gardens and
it
> makes everything grow nice. But anything we really want to save is in a
> "compound" like i described above.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Sean
>
> "Ken Anderson" > wrote in message
> et...
> > It ain't purdy, but I hope it works. I see a load of deer tracks out
there
> > too, so I can add them to the "Most Wanted" poster too. The end wires
you
> > see aren't taught, but the wires running the length are. They are 6 and
12
> > inches off the ground. I may have already lost 20% of this row. We shall
> see
> > how the fence works! Thanks for the tips, everyone.
> > http://users.adelphia.net/~aken75/
> > Ken A.
> >
> >
>
>

Ken I hope this doesn't discourage you, but I suspect that fence
will not discourage deer. Clearing it would present no more problem than
a tip toe through the tulips. I hope I'm wrong and hope your deer are
less agile than those we find in NE Pennsylvania.
Regards, Bill.

I know in some places if the winter is harsh enough deer will eat twigs and
strip bark...ive heard fruit trees/etc are favourites
I am hoping to buy a new house soon and the new place will be getting 12 new
vines in a nice compound with room for more vines. No messing around from
the start!

Sean





"SR" > wrote in message
...
> My vegetable garden was destroyed by Deer this year, so next year I will
be
> creating a compound like Sean suggests. I am also starting a small
vineyard
> (24 vines) next spring. Will the deer bother the vines or do they wait
> until the fruit appears? Basically, should I fence the vineyard from the
> get go.

> "SR" > wrote in message
> ...
> > My vegetable garden was destroyed by Deer this year, so next year I will
> be
> > creating a compound like Sean suggests. I am also starting a small
> vineyard
> > (24 vines) next spring. Will the deer bother the vines or do they wait
> > until the fruit appears? Basically, should I fence the vineyard from
the
> > get go.
>
Yes, deer will bite the ends off your new vines! I used something called
"Liquid Fence" with good success. Also, if you have Japanese beetle problems
like I do, get an aerosol can of houseplant bug spray and spray your plants
whenever you see beetles. 24 vines will only take a few minutes. Incredibly
handy!
Ken A.

"Ken Anderson" > wrote:

> Yes, deer will bite the ends off your new vines! I used something called
> "Liquid Fence" with good success. Also, if you have Japanese beetle
problems
> like I do, get an aerosol can of houseplant bug spray and spray your
plants
> whenever you see beetles. 24 vines will only take a few minutes.
Incredibly
> handy!

When's deer season open? Mix up some Dawn dishwashing detergent in your
sprayer, and use it instead. Far less toxic than bug spray, and works just
as well. Household bug spray will be absorbed and retained by the vine. If
you use poison on an food plant, use a non-systemic substance like carboryl
(sold as Sevin). But the detergent is safer.

"Negodki" > wrote in message
...
> "Ken Anderson" > wrote:
>
> > Yes, deer will bite the ends off your new vines! I used something called
> > "Liquid Fence" with good success. Also, if you have Japanese beetle
> problems
> > like I do, get an aerosol can of houseplant bug spray and spray your
> plants
> > whenever you see beetles. 24 vines will only take a few minutes.
> Incredibly
> > handy!
>
> When's deer season open? Mix up some Dawn dishwashing detergent in your
> sprayer, and use it instead. Far less toxic than bug spray, and works just
> as well. Household bug spray will be absorbed and retained by the vine. If
> you use poison on an food plant, use a non-systemic substance like
carboryl
> (sold as Sevin). But the detergent is safer.
>
No need to worry about food toxicity on first or second year vines. You just
want to keep 'em healthy so they'll develop a strong root system. And the
bug spray is still more convenient than mixing up dishwashing liquid. Easier
aerosol application, too. Some people avoid all such things on principle
alone, but I'm not one of them. ; )
Ken A.

Ken ,

Like Sean said, if that fence isn't electric it will do nothing. Trust
me. Deer will rowse in June and then in later summer usually around
Sept/Oct. What I have are 4X4's with the wires attached to with 2X4's
for inside bracing. THe fencing is $49.99 at Home Depot for 100ft. The
whole fence if you were going to fence in a 50 X 50 vineyard would
probably cost you about $175. Chain-link fence ain't that cheap for
200ft. The other thing I do is the fence is only 5 ft from the trellis
system so they won't jump it if they can't land on the other side. For
the ends of the rows the fence is also 5 ft away and I have a rope
strung along the top of the trellis posts so they would have to jump
on to that to get in on the ends. If you have a tractor this obviously
won't work and you also , if your really paranoid , have to put ropes
in the corners, from the end trellis post to the end fence post to
keep that access blocked. Deer are VERY smart and I will guarantee
what you have there will break your heart when you wake up and see the
deer damage.

Bob

"Ken Anderson" > wrote in message . net>...
> "bob" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Ken,
> > Don't want to burst your bubble but that ain't gonna work. Been there,
> > done that and it doesn't work. The little ones jump right between the
> > wires if the big ones don't jump over it. The fence I have which works
> > great is a system which uses the fencing you get at homw depot. 7 ft
> > high. You string 2 wires between 2 posts , one at 7 ft and the other
> > at ground level. Get "turnbuckles to tighten the two wires and then
> > "hand the deer fence with plastic ties. You need to brace the end
> > posts on the inside, 2X4's will do into the ground. It's easy to put
> > up, it works and if you stain the posts a gray you can barely see it.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> I did some more googling before doing the fence thing. I found folks who
> claimed the fence works. And, if it's on the internet, it HAS to be true,
> right? ; ) At least it only cost me under $30. In the OP picture, to the
> right is a row of first year Cab Franc, Riesling and Chard are further over.
> Those are Niagaras I'm trying to save this year, but by next year I'm gonna
> want to have something effective in place to control critters. There's got
> to be a way, or my name's Elmer Fudd.

Well, I did a dumb thing and started this new thread, forgetting to mention
that indeed the fence is electrified. Electric fences were mentioned in a
recent previous thread. I apologize. Good God! Looking at that little fence
must have given some people a pretty good chuckle! : ) About the fence,
it pegs my meter at 1000 volts AC, so I believe it's the 1200 volt version.
Incidently, the bottom wire is 6 inches off the ground, and the second one
is 6 inches above that. This morning, I noticed a deformation in the wire,
as though something had bumped it pretty good. A deer ankle maybe? Poor
deer. (Not) I'm keeping an eye out for moist, barren stems, which tell me
they were freshly eaten. Didn't notice any this morning. I will post more
results. I don't expect I can let these grapes go any longer than two more
weeks. Haven't checked TA or pH, but the best bunches are only at 16 Brix. I
can expect better than that can't I, here in NE Ohio?
Ken A.

"bob" > wrote in message
om...
> Ken ,
>
> Like Sean said, if that fence isn't electric it will do nothing. Trust
> me. Deer will rowse in June and then in later summer usually around
> Sept/Oct. What I have are 4X4's with the wires attached to with 2X4's
> for inside bracing. THe fencing is $49.99 at Home Depot for 100ft. The
> whole fence if you were going to fence in a 50 X 50 vineyard would
> probably cost you about $175. Chain-link fence ain't that cheap for
> 200ft. The other thing I do is the fence is only 5 ft from the trellis
> system so they won't jump it if they can't land on the other side. For
> the ends of the rows the fence is also 5 ft away and I have a rope
> strung along the top of the trellis posts so they would have to jump
> on to that to get in on the ends. If you have a tractor this obviously
> won't work and you also , if your really paranoid , have to put ropes
> in the corners, from the end trellis post to the end fence post to
> keep that access blocked. Deer are VERY smart and I will guarantee
> what you have there will break your heart when you wake up and see the
> deer damage.
>
> Bob
>
> "Ken Anderson" > wrote in message
. net>...
> > "bob" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > Ken,
> > > Don't want to burst your bubble but that ain't gonna work. Been there,
> > > done that and it doesn't work. The little ones jump right between the
> > > wires if the big ones don't jump over it. The fence I have which works
> > > great is a system which uses the fencing you get at homw depot. 7 ft
> > > high. You string 2 wires between 2 posts , one at 7 ft and the other
> > > at ground level. Get "turnbuckles to tighten the two wires and then
> > > "hand the deer fence with plastic ties. You need to brace the end
> > > posts on the inside, 2X4's will do into the ground. It's easy to put
> > > up, it works and if you stain the posts a gray you can barely see it.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > I did some more googling before doing the fence thing. I found folks who
> > claimed the fence works. And, if it's on the internet, it HAS to be
true,
> > right? ; ) At least it only cost me under $30. In the OP picture, to
the
> > right is a row of first year Cab Franc, Riesling and Chard are further
over.
> > Those are Niagaras I'm trying to save this year, but by next year I'm
gonna
> > want to have something effective in place to control critters. There's
got
> > to be a way, or my name's Elmer Fudd.

"Ken Anderson" > wrote:

> Well, I did a dumb thing and started this new thread, forgetting to
mention
> that indeed the fence is electrified. Electric fences were mentioned in a
> recent previous thread. I apologize. Good God! Looking at that little
fence
> must have given some people a pretty good chuckle! : ) About the
fence,
> it pegs my meter at 1000 volts AC, so I believe it's the 1200 volt
version.
> Incidently, the bottom wire is 6 inches off the ground, and the second one
> is 6 inches above that. This morning, I noticed a deformation in the wire,
> as though something had bumped it pretty good. A deer ankle maybe? Poor
> deer. (Not) I'm keeping an eye out for moist, barren stems, which tell me
> they were freshly eaten. Didn't notice any this morning. I will post more
> results. I don't expect I can let these grapes go any longer than two more
> weeks. Haven't checked TA or pH, but the best bunches are only at 16 Brix.
I
> can expect better than that can't I, here in NE Ohio?
> Ken A.

I think you forgot to mention that the original problem was raccoons, and
that's what determined the fence height.

The transformer's output should be stamped on the unit somewhere. They may
make a 1000 V version. The deer can step over it, but the may be afraid to
do so. If you notice, the wire emits an audible hum, and a visible
vibration. This is enough to make some animals wary. So they nose around,
and get shocked, and (hopefully) go elsewhere.

Throw some marshmallows out in the woods for the coons, shoot a deer and
put it on a spit, invite some friends and open up some bottles of wine.
That should keep them away for the night. ::::::
"Ken Anderson" > wrote in message
. net...
> Well, I did a dumb thing and started this new thread, forgetting to
mention
> that indeed the fence is electrified. Electric fences were mentioned in a
> recent previous thread. I apologize. Good God! Looking at that little
fence
> must have given some people a pretty good chuckle! : ) About the
fence,
> it pegs my meter at 1000 volts AC, so I believe it's the 1200 volt
version.
> Incidently, the bottom wire is 6 inches off the ground, and the second one
> is 6 inches above that. This morning, I noticed a deformation in the wire,
> as though something had bumped it pretty good. A deer ankle maybe? Poor
> deer. (Not) I'm keeping an eye out for moist, barren stems, which tell me
> they were freshly eaten. Didn't notice any this morning. I will post more
> results. I don't expect I can let these grapes go any longer than two more
> weeks. Haven't checked TA or pH, but the best bunches are only at 16 Brix.
I
> can expect better than that can't I, here in NE Ohio?
> Ken A.
>
> "bob" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Ken ,
> >
> > Like Sean said, if that fence isn't electric it will do nothing. Trust
> > me. Deer will rowse in June and then in later summer usually around
> > Sept/Oct. What I have are 4X4's with the wires attached to with 2X4's
> > for inside bracing. THe fencing is $49.99 at Home Depot for 100ft. The
> > whole fence if you were going to fence in a 50 X 50 vineyard would
> > probably cost you about $175. Chain-link fence ain't that cheap for
> > 200ft. The other thing I do is the fence is only 5 ft from the trellis
> > system so they won't jump it if they can't land on the other side. For
> > the ends of the rows the fence is also 5 ft away and I have a rope
> > strung along the top of the trellis posts so they would have to jump
> > on to that to get in on the ends. If you have a tractor this obviously
> > won't work and you also , if your really paranoid , have to put ropes
> > in the corners, from the end trellis post to the end fence post to
> > keep that access blocked. Deer are VERY smart and I will guarantee
> > what you have there will break your heart when you wake up and see the
> > deer damage.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > "Ken Anderson" > wrote in message
> . net>...
> > > "bob" > wrote in message
> > > om...
> > > > Ken,
> > > > Don't want to burst your bubble but that ain't gonna work. Been
there,
> > > > done that and it doesn't work. The little ones jump right between
the
> > > > wires if the big ones don't jump over it. The fence I have which
works
> > > > great is a system which uses the fencing you get at homw depot. 7 ft
> > > > high. You string 2 wires between 2 posts , one at 7 ft and the other
> > > > at ground level. Get "turnbuckles to tighten the two wires and then
> > > > "hand the deer fence with plastic ties. You need to brace the end
> > > > posts on the inside, 2X4's will do into the ground. It's easy to put
> > > > up, it works and if you stain the posts a gray you can barely see
it.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > I did some more googling before doing the fence thing. I found folks
who
> > > claimed the fence works. And, if it's on the internet, it HAS to be
> true,
> > > right? ; ) At least it only cost me under $30. In the OP picture,
to
> the
> > > right is a row of first year Cab Franc, Riesling and Chard are further
> over.
> > > Those are Niagaras I'm trying to save this year, but by next year I'm
> gonna
> > > want to have something effective in place to control critters. There's
> got
> > > to be a way, or my name's Elmer Fudd.
>
>