Below is my categorization of wine producing countries into "new" and
"old" world.

I am having second thoughts about classifying Romania as a new world
producer.

While you are at it, please take a look at both lists and suggest
appropriate additions and deletions.

The idea is not to have a comprehensive listing, but to highlight the
principal players in both spheres.

For example, technically Lebanon should be in the Old World list,
however, I don't think Lebanon currently makes sufficient wine to
merit inclusion. Then again, by that criterium, maybe I should
exclude Switzerland from the old world tally.

OLD WORLD
France
Italy
Spain
Germany
Portugal
Austria
Hungary
Switzerland

NEW WORLD
United States
Australia
South Africa
New Zealand
Chile
Argentina
Uruguay
Canada
Romania

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

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"Leo Bueno" > skrev i melding
...
>
> Below is my categorization of wine producing countries into "new" and
> "old" world.
>
> I am having second thoughts about classifying Romania as a new world
> producer.
>
Romania is possibly new to the world as a wine producer because it was a
closed country during communism, but they are not newcomers to wine...
You'll have to go back to something B.C. to find the beginning. By volume, R
is number 10 in the world.
Certainly Old world, like Lebanon.

New world are those countries that started later than 1700, say. I.e.
Australia, U.S.A., India, China, Argentina and so on.
There you find less set standards as to what to grow, where and how, not to
speak of using established names for their own products - like Sauternes in
New York (shudder...:-)
Anders

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:45:01 +0200, "Anders Tørneskog"
> wrote:

>
>"Leo Bueno" > skrev i melding
.. .
>>
>> Below is my categorization of wine producing countries into "new" and
>> "old" world.
>>
>> I am having second thoughts about classifying Romania as a new world
>> producer.
>>
>Romania is possibly new to the world as a wine producer because it was a
>closed country during communism, but they are not newcomers to wine...
>You'll have to go back to something B.C. to find the beginning. By volume, R
>is number 10 in the world.
>Certainly Old world, like Lebanon.
>
>New world are those countries that started later than 1700, say. I.e.
>Australia, U.S.A., India, China, Argentina and so on.
>There you find less set standards as to what to grow, where and how, not to
>speak of using established names for their own products - like Sauternes in
>New York (shudder...:-)
>Anders
>

Somehow "new world" and "old world" will always relate linguistically
to the Euro-centric view that I grew up with and not to the production
or categorization of wine. I'm certain that had I grown up Chinese or
Japanese, the interpretation of what is geographically new or old
would be considerably different.

Illustrating the centricity is the fact that other constructions
divide the globe into hemispheres, either East and West or North and
South. Under that construction, Europe which is West and North (but
not as Northwest as US/Canada) becomes the old world and all else
becomes New World. None of it, however accounts for Asia Minor or the
Middle East, which despite the Islamic view, produces a lot of wine.

I've had some drinkable wine in Turkey as well as Syria and Morocco.
Wouldn't classify them as New World, but then wouldn't fit them in the
same box as France, Italy, Germany, et. al.

Tis indeed a conundrum. Methinks we are saddled with having to
identify wines by varietal or country of origin and abandon a more
global taxonomy.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:54:30 GMT
Leo Bueno > wrote:

[]
> OLD WORLD
> France
> Italy
> Spain
> Germany
> Portugal
> Austria
> Hungary
> Switzerland
>
> NEW WORLD
> United States
> Australia
> South Africa
> New Zealand
> Chile
> Argentina
> Uruguay
> Canada
> Romania
>
[]

I'm not sure what the purpose of the exercise is either, but
if you're going to make lists, how about Greece?

They produce plenty of wine, much of it "old world,"
much of it "new."

-E
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"Ed Rasimus" > skrev i melding > Somehow "new
world" and "old world" will always relate linguistically
> to the Euro-centric view that I grew up with and not to the production
> or categorization of wine. I'm certain that had I grown up Chinese or
> Japanese, the interpretation of what is geographically new or old
> would be considerably different.
>
Of course.
We all agree, I think, that wine production started somewhere in the middle
East, something like 4-5000 years ago and spread westwards from there to
Europe in general. Now consider the situation about 1500. Which were the
wine producing countries then? Any in Asia? In Africa? In America?
From that point in time Europeans 'discovered' new land and settled into
them. Some, like the missionaries, established their own small vineyards,
but wine production and consumption as a substantial part of economy and
culture was late in coming.
I feel that it is these late coming countries that should be called 'new
world' in wine terms, often characterised by a certain technological acuity
and a spirit of experimentation and inventiveness less found in the more
strictly regulated regions with one or two thousand years of history.
That some of this inventive spirit has flowed back into the 'old world' is
only laudable, of course :-)
Anders
scratching his head over whether Norway is 'new world' :-)

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:49:57 GMT, "Nils Gustaf Lindgren"
> wrote:

>If you are not taking the easy but prolific measure of including any country
>that does produce wine that is commercialised, which would land you with
>strange animals like Norway (they produce wine on the shores of the Oslo
>fiord),

L'esprit de Munch, or whatever it was, has now ceased production I
believe.

But what about England. Produced wine in the time of the Romans, and
going from strength to strength now. Old world I'd say.

--
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"Steve Slatcher" > skrev i melding
...
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:49:57 GMT, "Nils Gustaf Lindgren"
> > wrote:
>
>>If you are not taking the easy but prolific measure of including any
>>country
>>that does produce wine that is commercialised, which would land you with
>>strange animals like Norway (they produce wine on the shores of the Oslo
>>fiord),
>
> L'esprit de Munch, or whatever it was, has now ceased production I
> believe.
>
True, the owner sold off after 1999 vintage, it appears for a variety of
reasons. It seems that the new owner did make some wine; 450 bottles in
2003 compared to 2000 bottles earlier, but with little success. Label:
Hallingstad gård, Pinot noir 2003.
(Said to be Canadian clones of PN)
This info is from 2004 is the most recent I find, however, so even this may
have failed.



Anders

I tend to call wines "old World" and "New World" on the basis of attitude.
I also think since the Dreaded Parker, lots of old world vingerons are now
making new world wines.

But that is only IMHO...


"Leo Bueno" > wrote in message
...
>
> Below is my categorization of wine producing countries into "new" and
> "old" world.
>
> I am having second thoughts about classifying Romania as a new world
> producer.
>
> While you are at it, please take a look at both lists and suggest
> appropriate additions and deletions.
>
> The idea is not to have a comprehensive listing, but to highlight the
> principal players in both spheres.
>
> For example, technically Lebanon should be in the Old World list,
> however, I don't think Lebanon currently makes sufficient wine to
> merit inclusion. Then again, by that criterium, maybe I should
> exclude Switzerland from the old world tally.
>
> OLD WORLD
> France
> Italy
> Spain
> Germany
> Portugal
> Austria
> Hungary
> Switzerland
>
> NEW WORLD
> United States
> Australia
> South Africa
> New Zealand
> Chile
> Argentina
> Uruguay
> Canada
> Romania
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
>
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> Visit the MIAMI WINE TASTERS group at
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Mike Tommasi > wrote:

> If quality wine is a criterion, then I would add Slovenia, for
> sure.

And Croatia, of course. Personally I'd add Macedonia, too.

M.