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TN: Big dinner, lots of 2000 Bordeaux
Saturday night 50 Bordeaux fans took over the main dining room at Triomphe in
NYC for a horizontal of 2000 Bordeaux. As people gathered and socialized, several bottles of 2001 Les Arums de Lagrange (Bordeaux) circulated. The white of Lagrange, it had rich pear fruit, a light waxy note, good finish. A B/B+ on my easy scale. We sat down, and wines flowed. All of the 2000 Bordeaux had been double-decanted 4 to 6 hours in advance. Some of the wines were quite closed down anyway, but some swirling usually opened them up a bit. Read my notes with even more of a grain of salt than usual. Flight one: Graves & Margaux My first course was scallops in a porcini foie gras butter. 2000 Smith-Haut-Lafitte-Quiet nose, oak and sweet Merlot-ish fruit on palate. B 2000 Pape- Clément-earth and mineral, sweet cassis fruit, beautifully balanced A/A- 2000 Palmer - really tannic (all these wines are, but really noticed here) but great black fruit, fleshy but structured, A 2000 Malescot-St. -Exupéry- earth , a little animal , not bad B/B+ 2000 Ch. d'Issan *- rich fruit, perfumed, very good B+/A- 2000 du Tertre - lots of people found it accessible, but I found this quite closed. Some black plum and cedar, the tannins more outfront and the fruit quieter than a few months ago (from same case). Needs time B+ Flight two: St. Julien, Pauillac, and St. Estèphe I had a beef filet over lambshank risotto 2000 Lagrange *-medium-bodied but with a firm structure, earthy, red and black berry fruit, quite classy B+ 2000 Léoville Barton - challenger to the Palmer for my WOTN. Flowers and framboise on the nose, cassis on the palate, long long finish. A 2000 Calon-Ségur- ripe ripe nose, a little flat on the palate. B 2000 Pichon Lalande- initially I got a wierd funk- kind of eucalyptus meets pine needle, but that blows off, but there remained a definite touch of green-ness to the wine. This is a $100+ wine in a ripe vintage? C+/B- (lots of discussion about this one- a few loved it, a few absolutely hated it, most of us were in the middle- but I don't think anyone in the middle was rushing out to buy some). 2000 Lynch Bages- I thought tannic and closed, others disagreed. B? (with realization that almost impossible to know what'll happen when wine opens up) 2000 Pichon Baron -ripe tannins, rich black fruit, very very nice. A- Flight three: St. Émilion & Pomerol Nice cheese plate ( I ignored the blue and the goat during the reds). 2000 Corbin* -fared very well against much more expensive neighbors. Sweet and round, open, mineral and earth notes, really quite nice. B+ 2000 Figeac -earth and oak, almost California-ish at first. 2000 Pavie -lots of oak, lots of fruit, sweet, heavy. Well-made if not my style. B+ 2000 Hosanna- ripe, ripe, very low-acid , perfumed, could be Napa. B/B- 2000 Bon Pasteur-red fruit, smooth and fat, somewhat short on finish. B 2000 La Fleur-Pétrus-lush yet structured, earth and red plum. B+/A- Afterwards a few bonus pours made the rounds. Mark Goldetz had provided a double magnum of 1982 St. Pierre. Sweet fruit, a (pleasant) aroma of dead leaves, but fading fast, little in the way of finish. B (and drink up). A bottle of 1982 Pavie showed well, classic Right Bank, very unlike its modern successor. B++ The 1989 Kerpen Wehlener Sonnenuhr Auslese (1 star) showed more petrolly and a little less sweet than my other bottle a year or so ago. A little slate, some apricot and orange. B+ A 1976 Wgt. Schneider Merler König(? can't read this part)-Terrassen Beerenauslese had a little petrol, some (slightly tired) tropical fruit, complex finish. B+ (and drink up!). 1977 Graham's Vintage Port - I wrote "a little hot" (hell, it's port!) , still firm tannins, raisins and fig. Kudos to the organizers (mainly Michael Jessen and Mark Golodetz), the restaurant and Chris Wilford the wine director (very accomodating, and food was very fine), Jim How and the BWE board, and the all of the guests, who made it a fun evening. * the owners of Issan, Corbin, and Lagrange were in attendance, and offered us some informed opinions on 2000 & 2003. I was happy that all 3 of their wines showed well, as I could tell them how much I enjoyed them honestly and openly. I sat across from the owner of Issan (Emmanuel Cruze, hope that's correct spelling) who was very informative and pleasant. Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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Great notes, but no grade for the Figeac? I wondered because I have some
and have not tried it. |
TN: Big dinner, lots of 2000 Bordeaux
In article <IqWQb.46304$Ar1.5055@fed1read04>, Thomas Curmudgeon >
writes: >Great notes, but no grade for the Figeac? I wondered because I have some >and have not tried it. > Oops, got up halfway thru typing and commenced at next wine. Figeac should have read: 2000 Figeac -earth and oak, almost California-ish at first. But some air leads to a more classic St. Émilion, with earth, red fruit and herbs.B+ Personally, unless I had a lot, I'd hold off for a few years (or decant very early). Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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"Dale Williams" > wrote in message ... > A 1976 Wgt. Schneider Merler König(? can't read this part)-Terrassen > Beerenauslese had a little petrol, some (slightly tired) tropical fruit, > complex finish. B+ (and drink up!). Merler Königslay-Terrassen :-) Anders |
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In article >, "Anders Tørneskog"
> writes: >Merler Königslay-Terrassen thanks! Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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In article . 17>, jcoulter
> writes: > 2000 Smith-Haut-Lafitte-Quiet nose, oak and sweet Merlot-ish fruit on >> palate. B > >So what do I have in the way of '00 bordeaux? You guessed it. How is this >going to be in the long run or should I drink it and enjoy? Hey, I wouldn't worry: 1) My notes are amateur, just my impressions 2) I think someone said Parker gave a 94 3) As I said, these wines are somewhat closed right now I thought this somewhat California-ish/international/Parkerized, pretty fat and fruit forward. Good in its own way. It's always a little bit of a guessing game as to whether the oak will integrate, etc. Personally , just guessing, I would bet against this being a 25-30 year wine, but think that 5 to 7 more years would probably do it good. Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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Thanks Dale, I always appreciate your easy scale - its a quick and dirty way
to find wines to try. Is this wine: http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/2624 the same as this one: 2000 Léoville Barton - challenger to the Palmer for my WOTN. Flowers and framboise on the nose, cassis on the palate, long long finish. A Only not the same vintage... === And I'm guessing that the Palmer is this one: http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/lvx001274 Anyone want to sponser poor old me a case of that!? That's almost a months salary that is! |
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"Michael Bartlett" > wrote in message news:1075122983.298759@shiraz... > And I'm guessing that the Palmer is this one: > http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/lvx001274 > > Anyone want to sponser poor old me a case of that!? That's almost a months > salary that is! I assume that's for a _case_ of the 2000 Palmer. That puts it at ~$300/bottle - right? Tom S |
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Yeah, £175 a bottle. The most I've ever forked out was £110 for 98 Grange -
fortunately I was able to just buy 4 bottles whereas with Everywine you pretty much have to buy by the case. "Tom S" > wrote in message om... > > "Michael Bartlett" > wrote in message > news:1075122983.298759@shiraz... > > And I'm guessing that the Palmer is this one: > > http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/lvx001274 > > > > Anyone want to sponser poor old me a case of that!? That's almost a months > > salary that is! > > I assume that's for a _case_ of the 2000 Palmer. That puts it at > ~$300/bottle - right? > > Tom S > > |
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>Is this wine: http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/2624
>the same as this one: >2000 Léoville Barton >Only not the same vintage... >=== No, that's the second (which we seldom see in US). I haven't tried, but I quite liked the '99 Léoville Barton, which goes for $36 here. But I tend to find seconds to be good deals only in very strong vintages. Though based on the 99 LBarton the second might be nice (though early drinking). >And I'm guessing that the Palmer is this one: >http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/lvx001274 >Anyone want to sponser poor old me a case of that!? That's almost a months >salary that is! I think the days for buying the "name" classified 2000 Bdx are past, prices are up there. thanks for reading, Dale Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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Forgive my ignorance - but what exactly is the/a second?
"Dale Williams" > wrote in message ... > >Is this wine: http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/2624 > >the same as this one: > >2000 Léoville Barton > >Only not the same vintage... > >=== > No, that's the second (which we seldom see in US). I haven't tried, but I quite > liked the '99 Léoville Barton, which goes for $36 here. But I tend to find > seconds to be good deals only in very strong vintages. Though based on the 99 > LBarton the second might be nice (though early drinking). > > >And I'm guessing that the Palmer is this one: > >http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/lvx001274 > >Anyone want to sponser poor old me a case of that!? That's almost a months > >salary that is! > > I think the days for buying the "name" classified 2000 Bdx are past, prices are > up there. > > thanks for reading, Dale > Dale > > Dale Williams > Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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In article <1075130004.795411@shiraz>, "Michael Bartlett"
> writes: >Forgive my ignorance - but what exactly is the/a second Nothing to forgive, I should have explained. A second is a wine that a chateaux offers (a few even offer a third) as a less-expensive, earlier drinking alternate to its flagship wine. It can be made from grapes from vines considered too young for the main wine, or from a section of vineyard that did not do quite as well. Another factor can be the mix of varietals (cépage) for a particular year. A vineyard might be planted 60% Cab. Sauv., 20% Merlot, 15% Cab. Franc, and 5% Petit Verdot. But winemaker might decide a particular year was particularly successful for Cab. Sauv., and increase to 70%. Good chateaux tend to take pride in their seconds, and sell off any substandard grapes/juice. Then the seconds can provide a good glimpse of a chateau's style, albeit usually in a slightly lighter, earlier-drinking form. Most famously, obviously, are the seconds of the 1st growths, like Pavillon Rouge of Ch. Margaux and Bahabns-Haut-Brion. Some others that are often good are Sarget de Gruaud-Larose, Reserve de la Comtesse (Pichon-Lalande, though I'd be hesitant re this one after tasting the 2000 first), Les Fiefs de Lagrange, La Chapelle de la Mission Haut-Brion, & La Dame de la Montrose. Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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In article >, Lawrence Leichtman
> writes: > >I have 3 bottles of the Pinchon-Lalande. Do you think there is any hope >for an aging improvement in these wines? Normally I really like >Pinchon-Lalande but this is the most disappointing review I've read and >it seemed to be uniform across the group tasting and multiple bottles. Lawrence, as someone said, this is shaping up to be the biggest debate over a wine since the love-it-or-hate-it '90 Pichon Lalande. In other tastings, several folks said they loved this wine (as did RP & the sucker from WS, who hold more weight than me!). A few theories that were put out: 1) something (the petit verdot component?) is going thru a wierd phase, that time will smooth it out 2)the critics got a "special" barrel , and the wine is horribly vegetal. The winemaker I was talking to during dinner just said "this is green, and there's no excuse for green in 2000!" 3) there's some component of the wine that contains something that people have varied sensitivities or reactions to (like how some folks don't detect TCA) 4) there's some kind of lot variation going on (even if we got from several sources, probably same lot bound for eastern US). Though I think this would have to be lot variation in the assemblage, as this tasted like no damage I've ever experienced (and Mark Golodetz, a contributing editor at WE and one of the organizers of dinner, said he got the same greenness in a barrel sample). All of those theories but #2 hold out some hope for you. While I'm sure you got these wines with idea of drinking them in 12-30 years, if I were you I'd open one now . Give it plenty of air, then try. If you love it, put others to bed. If you don't like it (in finding an off flavor, not just finding it too young), then I'd sell on winecommune trumpeting the WA/WS scores. Because what's important is how you like it. And personally I have trouble imagining that greeness ever completely integrating.I hope you like it! Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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>Thanks for the suggestion. I will try one this weekend.
Just to cheer you up, here's a comment just posted re the 2000 Pichon Lalande from one of the organizers of this event (a good taster, who works for an auction house): "Yes, I liked Pichon Lalande.** When I tasted it, I wanted to curl up with both it and a nice medium-rare New York sirloin.* Throw in some steamed veggies and sauteed mushrooms and I would be in heaven.* Yes, I thought there was something "green," but I the bottle I tasted from seemed full and showy and I likened it to "stewed vegatables and fruit with hints of grilled meat and black pepper."* Some people may not like this.* I do.* I guess I've just been drinking to much run-of-the mill Bordeaux and this gal popped out at me as an unusual creature to spend some more time with in the future" So not everyone disliked. Looking forward to your notes. Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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