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Old 25-01-2004, 08:23 PM
Dale Williams
 
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Saturday night 50 Bordeaux fans took over the main dining room at Triomphe in
NYC for a horizontal of 2000 Bordeaux. As people gathered and socialized,
several bottles of 2001 Les Arums de Lagrange (Bordeaux) circulated. The white
of Lagrange, it had rich pear fruit, a light waxy note, good finish. A B/B+ on
my easy scale.

We sat down, and wines flowed. All of the 2000 Bordeaux had been
double-decanted 4 to 6 hours in advance. Some of the wines were quite closed
down anyway, but some swirling usually opened them up a bit. Read my notes with
even more of a grain of salt than usual.

Flight one: Graves & Margaux
My first course was scallops in a porcini foie gras butter.

2000 Smith-Haut-Lafitte-Quiet nose, oak and sweet Merlot-ish fruit on palate. B

2000 Pape- Clément-earth and mineral, sweet cassis fruit, beautifully balanced
A/A-

2000 Palmer - really tannic (all these wines are, but really noticed here) but
great black fruit, fleshy but structured, A

2000 Malescot-St. -Exupéry- earth , a little animal , not bad B/B+

2000 Ch. d'Issan *- rich fruit, perfumed, very good B+/A-

2000 du Tertre - lots of people found it accessible, but I found this quite
closed. Some black plum and cedar, the tannins more outfront and the fruit
quieter than a few months ago (from same case). Needs time B+

Flight two: St. Julien, Pauillac, and St. Estèphe
I had a beef filet over lambshank risotto

2000 Lagrange *-medium-bodied but with a firm structure, earthy, red and black
berry fruit, quite classy B+

2000 Léoville Barton - challenger to the Palmer for my WOTN. Flowers and
framboise on the nose, cassis on the palate, long long finish. A

2000 Calon-Ségur- ripe ripe nose, a little flat on the palate. B

2000 Pichon Lalande- initially I got a wierd funk- kind of eucalyptus meets
pine needle, but that blows off, but there remained a definite touch of
green-ness to the wine. This is a $100+ wine in a ripe vintage? C+/B-
(lots of discussion about this one- a few loved it, a few absolutely hated it,
most of us were in the middle- but I don't think anyone in the middle was
rushing out to buy some).

2000 Lynch Bages- I thought tannic and closed, others disagreed. B? (with
realization that almost impossible to know what'll happen when wine opens up)

2000 Pichon Baron -ripe tannins, rich black fruit, very very nice. A-

Flight three: St. Émilion & Pomerol
Nice cheese plate ( I ignored the blue and the goat during the reds).
2000 Corbin* -fared very well against much more expensive neighbors. Sweet and
round, open, mineral and earth notes, really quite nice. B+

2000 Figeac -earth and oak, almost California-ish at first.

2000 Pavie -lots of oak, lots of fruit, sweet, heavy. Well-made if not my
style. B+

2000 Hosanna- ripe, ripe, very low-acid , perfumed, could be Napa. B/B-

2000 Bon Pasteur-red fruit, smooth and fat, somewhat short on finish. B

2000 La Fleur-Pétrus-lush yet structured, earth and red plum. B+/A-

Afterwards a few bonus pours made the rounds. Mark Goldetz had provided a
double magnum of 1982 St. Pierre. Sweet fruit, a (pleasant) aroma of dead
leaves, but fading fast, little in the way of finish. B (and drink up).
A bottle of 1982 Pavie showed well, classic Right Bank, very unlike its modern
successor. B++
The 1989 Kerpen Wehlener Sonnenuhr Auslese (1 star) showed more petrolly and a
little less sweet than my other bottle a year or so ago. A little slate, some
apricot and orange. B+
A 1976 Wgt. Schneider Merler König(? can't read this part)-Terrassen
Beerenauslese had a little petrol, some (slightly tired) tropical fruit,
complex finish. B+ (and drink up!).
1977 Graham's Vintage Port - I wrote "a little hot" (hell, it's port!) , still
firm tannins, raisins and fig.

Kudos to the organizers (mainly Michael Jessen and Mark Golodetz), the
restaurant and Chris Wilford the wine director (very accomodating, and food was
very fine), Jim How and the BWE board, and the all of the guests, who made it a
fun evening.

* the owners of Issan, Corbin, and Lagrange were in attendance, and offered us
some informed opinions on 2000 & 2003. I was happy that all 3 of their wines
showed well, as I could tell them how much I enjoyed them honestly and openly.
I sat across from the owner of Issan (Emmanuel Cruze, hope that's correct
spelling) who was very informative and pleasant.

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B
a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party
where it was only choice.
Dale

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Old 25-01-2004, 09:22 PM
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Great notes, but no grade for the Figeac? I wondered because I have some
and have not tried it.
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Old 25-01-2004, 09:30 PM
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In article [email protected], Thomas Curmudgeon
writes:

Great notes, but no grade for the Figeac? I wondered because I have some
and have not tried it.


Oops, got up halfway thru typing and commenced at next wine. Figeac should have
read:

2000 Figeac -earth and oak, almost California-ish at first. But some air leads
to a more classic St. Émilion, with earth, red fruit and herbs.B+

Personally, unless I had a lot, I'd hold off for a few years (or decant very
early).

Dale

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Old 25-01-2004, 10:49 PM
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"Dale Williams" wrote in message
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A 1976 Wgt. Schneider Merler König(? can't read this part)-Terrassen
Beerenauslese had a little petrol, some (slightly tired) tropical fruit,
complex finish. B+ (and drink up!).

Merler Königslay-Terrassen

:-) Anders




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Old 26-01-2004, 01:15 AM
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In article , "Anders Tørneskog"
writes:

Merler Königslay-Terrassen


thanks!
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Old 26-01-2004, 01:15 AM
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In article . 17, jcoulter
writes:

2000 Smith-Haut-Lafitte-Quiet nose, oak and sweet Merlot-ish fruit on
palate. B


So what do I have in the way of '00 bordeaux? You guessed it. How is this
going to be in the long run or should I drink it and enjoy?


Hey, I wouldn't worry:
1) My notes are amateur, just my impressions
2) I think someone said Parker gave a 94
3) As I said, these wines are somewhat closed right now

I thought this somewhat California-ish/international/Parkerized, pretty fat and
fruit forward. Good in its own way. It's always a little bit of a guessing game
as to whether the oak will integrate, etc. Personally , just guessing, I would
bet against this being a 25-30 year wine, but think that 5 to 7 more years
would probably do it good.
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Old 26-01-2004, 01:16 PM
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Thanks Dale, I always appreciate your easy scale - its a quick and dirty way
to find wines to try.

Is this wine: http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/2624
the same as this one:
2000 Léoville Barton - challenger to the Palmer for my WOTN. Flowers and
framboise on the nose, cassis on the palate, long long finish. A

Only not the same vintage...
===

And I'm guessing that the Palmer is this one:
http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/lvx001274

Anyone want to sponser poor old me a case of that!? That's almost a months
salary that is!


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Old 26-01-2004, 01:39 PM
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"Michael Bartlett" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
And I'm guessing that the Palmer is this one:
http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/lvx001274

Anyone want to sponser poor old me a case of that!? That's almost a months
salary that is!


I assume that's for a _case_ of the 2000 Palmer. That puts it at
~$300/bottle - right?

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Old 26-01-2004, 01:48 PM
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Yeah, £175 a bottle. The most I've ever forked out was £110 for 98 Grange -
fortunately I was able to just buy 4 bottles whereas with Everywine you
pretty much have to buy by the case.

"Tom S" wrote in message
om...

"Michael Bartlett" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
And I'm guessing that the Palmer is this one:
http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/lvx001274

Anyone want to sponser poor old me a case of that!? That's almost a

months
salary that is!


I assume that's for a _case_ of the 2000 Palmer. That puts it at
~$300/bottle - right?

Tom S






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Old 26-01-2004, 02:57 PM
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Is this wine: http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/2624
the same as this one:
2000 Léoville Barton
Only not the same vintage...
===

No, that's the second (which we seldom see in US). I haven't tried, but I quite
liked the '99 Léoville Barton, which goes for $36 here. But I tend to find
seconds to be good deals only in very strong vintages. Though based on the 99
LBarton the second might be nice (though early drinking).

And I'm guessing that the Palmer is this one:
http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/lvx001274
Anyone want to sponser poor old me a case of that!? That's almost a months
salary that is!


I think the days for buying the "name" classified 2000 Bdx are past, prices are
up there.

thanks for reading, Dale
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Forgive my ignorance - but what exactly is the/a second?

"Dale Williams" wrote in message
...
Is this wine: http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/2624
the same as this one:
2000 Léoville Barton
Only not the same vintage...
===

No, that's the second (which we seldom see in US). I haven't tried, but I

quite
liked the '99 Léoville Barton, which goes for $36 here. But I tend to find
seconds to be good deals only in very strong vintages. Though based on the

99
LBarton the second might be nice (though early drinking).

And I'm guessing that the Palmer is this one:
http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/lvx001274
Anyone want to sponser poor old me a case of that!? That's almost a

months
salary that is!


I think the days for buying the "name" classified 2000 Bdx are past,

prices are
up there.

thanks for reading, Dale
Dale

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In article [email protected], "Michael Bartlett"
writes:

Forgive my ignorance - but what exactly is the/a second


Nothing to forgive, I should have explained. A second is a wine that a chateaux
offers (a few even offer a third) as a less-expensive, earlier drinking
alternate to its flagship wine. It can be made from grapes from vines
considered too young for the main wine, or from a section of vineyard that did
not do quite as well. Another factor can be the mix of varietals (cépage) for a
particular year. A vineyard might be planted 60% Cab. Sauv., 20% Merlot, 15%
Cab. Franc, and 5% Petit Verdot. But winemaker might decide a particular year
was particularly successful for Cab. Sauv., and increase to 70%.

Good chateaux tend to take pride in their seconds, and sell off any substandard
grapes/juice. Then the seconds can provide a good glimpse of a chateau's style,
albeit usually in a slightly lighter, earlier-drinking form.

Most famously, obviously, are the seconds of the 1st growths, like Pavillon
Rouge of Ch. Margaux and Bahabns-Haut-Brion. Some others that are often good
are Sarget de Gruaud-Larose, Reserve de la Comtesse (Pichon-Lalande, though I'd
be hesitant re this one after tasting the 2000 first), Les Fiefs de Lagrange,
La Chapelle de la Mission Haut-Brion, & La Dame de la Montrose.
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