Elsewhere I saw the list below posted of the 2004 Gambero Rosso Tre Bicchieri
winners. Nothing shocking, though they seem to have come back towards the
center in Piemonte, with some traditional makers getting awards (B. Mascarello,
Marcarini, etc.).


VALLE D'AOSTA
Coteau La Tour '01 - LES CRETES
Valle d'Aosta Chardonnay Cuvée Frissonnière Les Crêtes Cuvée Bois 01- LES
CRETES

PIEMONTE
Barbaresco '00 - GAJA
Barbaresco '99 - PRODUTTORI DEL BARBARESCO
Barbaresco Asili '99 - BRUNO GIACOSA
Barbaresco Camp Gros '99 - TENUTA CISA ASINARI DEI MARCHESI DI GRESY
Barbaresco Pajoré '00 - SOTTIMANO
Barbaresco Rabajà '00 - BRUNO ROCCA
Barbaresco Rabajà Ris. '96 - GIUSEPPE CORTESE
Barbaresco S. Stefanetto '00 - PIERO BUSSO
Barbaresco Serraboella '00 - F.LLI CICGLIUTI
Barbaresco Vign. Brich Ronchi '00 - ALBINO ROCCA
Barbaresco Vign. Starderi '00 - LA SPINETTA
Barbera d'Alba Scarrone V. Vecchia '01 - VIETTI
Barbera d'Alba Sup. '01 - G.D. VAJRA
Barbera d'Asti Pomorosso '01 - COPPO
Barbera d'Asti Sup. '01 - LA SPINETTA
Barbera d'Asti Sup. Alfiera '01 - MARCHESI ALFIERI
Barbera d'Asti Sup. Montruc '01 - FRANCO M. MARTINETTI
Barbera d'Asti Sup. Nizza La Court '00 - MICHELE CHIARLO
Barbera d'Asti Sup. SanSì Sel. '00 - SCAGLIOLA
Barbera d'Asti Sup. Sei V. Insynthesis '01 - CANTINA SOCIALE DI VINCHIO
VAGLIO SERRA
Barolo '99 - BARTOLO MASCARELLO
Barolo Brunate '99 - PODERI MARCARINI
Barolo Brunate '99 - ROBERTO VOERZIO
Barolo Bussia '99 - PRUNOTTO
Barolo Bussia V. Munie '99 - ARMANDO PARUSSO
Barolo Case Nere '99 - ENZO BOGLIETTI
Barolo Cerequio Tenuta Secolo '99 - CONTRATTO
Barolo Ciabot Mentin Ginestra '99 - DOMENICO CLERICO
Barolo Cl. '98 - GIACOMO BORGOGNO & FIGLI
Barolo Gavarini V. Chiniera '99 - ELIO GRASSO
Barolo Lazzarito V. La Delizia '99 - FONTANAFREDDA
Barolo Le Vigne '99 - LUCIANO SANDRONE
Barolo nei Cannubi '99 - EINAUDI
Barolo Percristina '98 - DOMENICO CLERICO
Barolo Rocche dell'Annunziata Ris. '97 - PAOLO SCAVINO
Barolo S. Giovanni '99 - GIANFRANCO ALESSANDRIA
Barolo S. Rocco '99 - AZELIA
Barolo S. Stefano di Perno '98 - GIUSEPPE MASCARELLO E FIGLIO
Barolo Sorì Ginestra '99 - CONTERNO FANTINO
Barolo V. Big 'd Big '99 - PODERE ROCCHE DEI MANZONI
Barolo V. Bricco Gattera '99 Monfalletto - CORDERO DI MONTEZEMOLO
Barolo V. Conca '99 - F.LLI REVELLO
Barolo V. Merenda '99 - GIORGIO SCARZELLO E FIGLI
Barolo V. Rionda Ris. '97 - VIGNA RIONDA MASSOLINO
Barolo Vecchie Vigne '99 - GIOVANNI CORINO
Barolo Vign. Arborina '99 ELIO ALTARE - CASCINA NUOVA
Barolo Vign. La Villa '99 - F.LLI SEGHESIO
Gattinara Vign. Castelle '99 - ANTONIOLO
Langhe Nebbiolo Sorì S. Lorenzo '99 - GAJA
Langhe Rosso Alta Bussia '01 - ATTILIO GHISOLFI
Langhe Rosso Bric du Luv '01 - CA' VIOLA
Monferrato Rosso Mystère '01 - CASCINA LA BARBATELLA
Nebbiolo d'Alba '01 - HILBERG PASQUERO
Roero '00 - CASCINA VAL DEL PRETE
Roero Audinaggio '01 - CASCINA CA' ROSSA
Roero Bric Valdiana '01 - GIOVANNI ALMONDO
Roero Printi '00 - MONCHIERO CARBONE
Roero Ròche d'Ampsèj '00 - MATTEO CORREGGIA
Roero Sup. '01 - FILIPPO GALLINO
Roero Sup. Mombeltramo '00 - MALVIRA'

LOMBARDIA
Franciacorta Brut Cabochon ¹99 Monte Rossa
Franciacorta Cuvée Annamaria Clementi ¹96 Ca' del Bosco
Franciacorta Extra Brut Comarì del Salem ¹98 Uberti
Franciacorta Gran Cuvée Brut ¹99 Bellavista
Franciacorta Satèn ¹99 Ferghettina
Garda Cabernet Le Zalte ¹01 Cascina La Pertica
Valtellina Sforzato San Domenico ¹01 Triacca
Valtellina Sfursat 5 Stelle ¹01 Nino Negri
Valtellina Sfursat Fruttaio Ca' Rizzieri ¹00 Aldo Rainoldi

TRENTINO
Giulio Ferrari ¹94 Ferrari
Granato ¹01 Foradori
San Leonardo ¹00 Tenuta San Leonardo

ALTO ADIGE
A. A. Bianco Beyond the Clouds ¹01 Castel Ringberg & Kastelaz Elena
Walch
A. A. Cabernet Tor di Lupo ¹00 Cantina Produttori Andriano
A. A. Cabernet Sauvignon Lafoa ¹00 Cantina Produttori Colterenzio
A. A. Gewürztraminer Brenntal ¹02 Cantina Produttori Cortaccia
A. A. Gewürztraminer Castel Turmhof ¹02 Tiefenbrunner
A. A. Gewürztraminer Nussbaumerhof ¹02 Cantina Produttori Termeno
A. A. Lagrein Abtei Ris. ¹00 Cantina Convento Muri-Gries
A. A. Lagrein Scuro Barbagòl Ris. ¹00 Cantina Laimburg
A. A. Lagrein Scuro Grieser Prestige Line Ris. ¹00 Cantina
Gries/Cantina di Bolzano
A. A. Lagrein Scuro Ris. ¹00 Josephus Mayr - Erbhof Unterganzner
A. A. Lagrein Scuro Taber Ris. ¹01 C. P. Santa Maddalena/C. di Bolzano
A. A. Sauvignon St. Valentin ¹02 Cantina Produttori San Michele Appiano
A. A. Stoan ¹02 Cantina Produttori Termeno
A. A. Terlano Sauvignon ¹92 Cantina Terlano
A. A. Valle Isarco Kerner ¹02 Manfred Nössing - Hoandlhof
A. A. Valle Isarco Kerner Praepositus ¹02 Abbazia di Novacella
A. A. Valle Isarco Sylvaner ¹02 Kuenhof - Peter Pliger
Yngram ¹00 Hofstätter

VENETO
Amarone della Valpolicella ¹98 Corte Sant'Alda
Amarone della Valpolicella Campo dei Gigli ¹98 Tenuta Sant'Antonio
Amarone della Valpolicella Cl. Casa dei Bepi ¹98 Viviani
Amarone della Valpolicella Cl. Caterina Zardini ¹99 Giuseppe Campagnola

Amarone della Valpolicella Cl. Sergio Zenato Ris. ¹98 Zenato
Amarone della Valpolicella Cl. Terre di Cariano ¹99 Cecilia Beretta
Amarone della Valpolicella Cl. Vign. Monte Ca' Bianca ¹99 Lorenzo
Begali
Amarone della Valpolicella Roccolo Grassi ¹99 Roccolo Grassi 303
Amarone della Valpolicella Vign. di Monte Lodoletta ¹98 Romano Dal
Forno
Capitel Croce ¹01 Roberto Anselmi
Colli Euganei Rosso Gemola ¹00 Vignalta
Fratta ¹01 Maculan
Il Rosso dell'Abazia ¹00 Serafini & Vidotto
Recioto della Valpolicella Cl. Giovanni Allegrini ¹00 Allegrini
Recioto della Valpolicella Cl. Vigneti di Moron Domini Veneti ¹01
Cantina Sociale Valpolicella
Rosso del Bepi ¹96 Giuseppe Quintarelli
Soave Cl. Calvarino ¹02 Leonildo Pieropan
Soave Cl. Monte Carbonare ¹02 Suavia
Soave Cl. Monte Grande ¹02 Prà
Soave Cl. Sup. Vign. Du Lot ¹01 Inama

FRIULI VENEZIA GIULIA
Breg ¹99 Gravner
COF Bianco Rosazzo Ronco delle Acacie ¹01 Le Vigne di Zamò
COF Bianco Rosazzo Terre Alte ¹01 Livio Felluga
COF Pignolo di Buttrio Vign. Ronc di Juri ¹00 Girolamo Dorigo
COF Refosco P. R. Vign. Montsclapade ¹00 Girolamo Dorigo
COF Refosco P. R. Zuc di Volpe ¹01 Volpe Pasini
COF Sauvignon Blanc ¹02 Rosa Bosco
Collio Bianco ¹02 Edi Keber
Collio Bianco ¹02 Dario Raccaro
Collio Bianco Ronco della Chiesa ¹01 Borgo del Tiglio
Collio Bianco Russiz Disôre ¹01 Russiz Superiore
Collio Pinot Bianco ¹02 Alessandro Princic
Collio Rosso Cjarandon ¹00 Ronco dei Tassi
Collio Sauvignon de La Tour ¹02 Villa Russiz
Collio Sauvignon Segré ¹02 Castello di Spessa
Collio Tocai Friulano ¹02 Mauro Drius
Collio Tocai Friulano ¹02 Franco Toros
Collio Tocai Friulano Ronco delle Cime ¹02 Venica & Venica
Friuli Isonzo Arbis Blanc ¹02 Borgo San Daniele
Friuli Isonzo Merlot ¹01 Ronco del Gelso
Friuli Isonzo Pinot Grigio Gris ¹01 Lis Neris
Friuli Isonzo Sauvignon Piere ¹01 Vie di Romans
Mario Schiopetto Bianco ¹02 Schiopetto
Pignacolusse ¹00 Jermann Vinnaioli
Tiare Blu Gran Cru ¹00 Livon
Vespa Bianco ¹01 Bastianich

EMILIA ROMAGNA
Afederico Merlot ¹01 Vallona
Marzieno ¹01 Fattoria Zerbina
Ronco dei Ciliegi ¹00 Castelluccio
Sangiovese di Romagna Sup. Avi Ris. ¹00 San Patrignano
Sangiovese di Romagna Sup. Terra di Covignano Ris. ¹01 San Valentino

TOSCANA
50 & 50 Avignonesi e Capannelle ¹99 Capannelle/Avignonesi
Avvoltore ¹01 Moris Farms
Balifico ¹00 Castello di Volpaia
Bolgheri Montepergoli ¹01 Enrico Santini
Bolgheri Rosso Piastraia ¹01 Michele Satta
Bolgheri Sassicaia ¹00 Tenuta San Guido
Brancaia Il Blu ¹01 La Brancaia
Brunello di Montalcino Poggio alle Mura ¹98 Castello Banfi
Brunello di Montalcino Ris. ¹97 Casanuova delle Cerbaie
Brunello di Montalcino Ris. ¹97 Fanti - La Palazzetta
Brunello di Montalcino Ris. ¹97 Eredi Fuligni
Brunello di Montalcino Ris. ¹97 Tenuta Il Poggione
Brunello di Montalcino Ris. ¹97 Castello Romitorio
Brunello di Montalcino Ris. ¹97 Uccelliera
Brunello di Montalcino Vigna di Pianrosso ¹98 Ciacci Piccolomini
D'Aragona
Caberlot ¹00 Podere Il Carnasciale
Camartina ¹00 Querciabella
Castello del Terriccio ¹00 Castello del Terriccio
Cepparello ¹00 Isole e Olena
Chianti Cl. Castello di Ama ¹00 Castello di Ama
Chianti Cl. Castello di Brolio ¹00 Barone Ricasoli
Chianti Cl. Castello di Fonterutoli ¹00 Castello di Fonterutoli
Chianti Cl. Cellole Ris. ¹00 San Fabiano Calcinaia
Chianti Cl. Doccio a Matteo Ris. ¹00 Caparsa
Chianti Cl. Grosso Sanese ¹01 Podere Il Palazzino
Chianti Cl. Poggio Rosso Ris. ¹00 San Felice
Chianti Cl. Rancia Ris. ¹00 Fattoria di Felsina
Chianti Cl. Ris. Ducale Oro ¹00 Tenimenti Ruffino
Chianti Cl. V. il Poggiale Ris. ¹00 Castellare di Castellina
Chianti Rufina Montesodi ¹01 Marchesi de' Frescobaldi
D'Alceo ¹01 Castello dei Rampolla
Fidenzio ¹00 Podere San Luigi
Flaccianello della Pieve ¹00 Tenuta Fontodi
Galatrona ¹01 Fattoria Petrolo
Giséle ¹01 La Rampa di Fugnano
Gratius ¹00 Il Molino di Grace
Il Carbonaione ¹00 Podere Poggio Scalette
Il Pareto ¹00 Tenute Ambrogio e Giovanni Folonari
Il Sasso ¹01 Piaggia
La Massa ¹01 La Massa
Masseto ¹00 Tenuta dell' Ornellaia
Nambrot ¹01 Tenuta di Ghizzano
Nardo ¹01 Montepeloso
Nobile di Montepulciano Asinone ¹00 Poliziano
Nobile di Montepulciano Vign. Antica Chiusina ¹00 Fattoria del Cerro
Oracolo ¹01 Poggio Amorelli
Orcia Guardiavigna ¹01 Podere Forte
Podalirio ¹01 Querceto di Castellina
Podere Le Rocce ¹00 Le Filigare
Poggiassai ¹01 Fattorie Chigi Saracini
Primamateria ¹01 Poggerino
Redigaffi ¹01 Tua Rita
Roccato ¹00 Rocca delle Macìe
Saffredi ¹01 Le Pupille
San Martino ¹00 Villa Cafaggio
Sant'Antimo Pietradonice ¹00 Casanova di Neri
Siepi ¹01 Castello di Fonterutoli
Solaia ¹00 Marchesi Antinori
Stielle ¹00 Rocca di Castagnoli
Stignano ¹00 San Vincenti
Val di Cornia Rosso I'Rennero ¹01 Gualdo del Re
Vignamaggio ¹00 Villa Vignamaggio

MARCHE
Anghelos ¹01 Tenuta De Angelis
Barricadiero ¹01 Aurora
Chaos ¹01 Fattoria Le Terrazze
Kurni ¹01 Oasi degli Angeli
Ludi ¹01 Ercole Velenosi
Pathos ¹01 Santa Barbara
Solo Sangiovese ¹01 Fattoria Dezi
Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi Cl. Sup. Massaccio ¹00 Fazi Battaglia
Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi Cl. Villa Bucci Ris. ¹00 Bucci

UMBRIA
Campoleone ¹01 Lamborghini - La Fiorita
Cervaro della Sala ¹01 Castello della Sala
Crovello ¹01 Poggio Bertaio
Merlot ¹01 Castello delle Regine
Montefalco Sagrantino ¹00 Còlpetrone
Montefalco Sagrantino 25 Anni ¹00 Arnaldo Caprai - Val di Maggio

LAZIO
Grechetto Latour a Civitella ¹01 Sergio Mottura
Montiano ¹01 Falesco
Vigna del Vassallo ¹01 Paola Di Mauro

ABRUZZO E MOLISE
Montepulciano d'Abruzzo ¹97 Edoardo Valentini
Montepulciano d'Abruzzo Plateo ¹98 Agriverde
Montepulciano d'Abruzzo Villa Gemma ¹99 Gianni Masciarelli
Trebbiano d'Abruzzo ¹00 Edoardo Valentini
Trebbiano d'Abruzzo Marina Cvetic ¹01 Gianni Masciarelli


CAMPANIA
Falerno del Massico Rosso Vigna Camarato ¹00 Villa Matilde
Montevetrano ¹01 Montevetrano
Naima ¹01 Viticoltori De Conciliis
Pàtrimo ¹01 Feudi di San Gregorio
Serpico ¹01 Feudi di San Gregorio

BASILICATA
Aglianico del Vulture Roinos ¹01 Eubea
Aglianico del Vulture Rotondo ¹01 Paternoster

PUGLIA
Nero ¹01 Conti Zecca
Salice Salentino Rosso Donna Lisa Ris. ¹99 Leone de Castris
Torcicoda ¹01 Tormaresca
Torre Testa ¹01 Tenute Rubino


SICILIA
Almanera ¹01 Fatascià
Camelot ¹01 Firriato
Contea di Sclafani Cabernet Sauvignon ¹01 Tasca d'Almerita
Contessa Entellina Milleunanotte ¹00 Tenuta di Donnafugata
Don Antonio ¹01 Morgante
Etna Bianco Sup. Pietramarina ¹99 Benanti
Faro Palari ¹01 Palari
Forti Terre di Sicilia Cabernet Sauvignon ¹01 Cantina Sociale di
Trapani
Hugonis ¹01 Tenute Rapitalà
Litra ¹01 Abbazia Santa Anastasia
Sagana ¹02 Cusumano
Syrah ¹01 Planeta

SARDEGNA
Alghero Marchese di Villamarina ¹99 Tenute Sella & Mosca
Latinia ¹01 Cantina Sociale di Santadi
Turriga ¹99 Antonio Argiolas

Dale

Dale Williams
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On 10 Oct 2003 17:35:57 GMT, amnspam (Dale Williams)
wrote:

>Elsewhere I saw the list below posted of the 2004 Gambero Rosso Tre Bicchieri
>winners. Nothing shocking, though they seem to have come back towards the
>center in Piemonte, with some traditional makers getting awards (B. Mascarello,
>Marcarini, etc.).

Yes, things do shift around at each edition. Partly because the two
organizations, Slow Food and Gambero Rosso, take turns for each
region.


Despite being very involved in Slow Food, I almost take no notice of
this guide. Too many international style wines, all very similar, all
easily challenged by new world wines at lower prices. I think that
this guide is far too influenced by Gambero Rosso and specifically by
some of its critics like Cernilli.

Signs of change: the recent appearance of people like Gravner on the
list. A bit late, mind you, because Gravner's wonderful wines are so
far off in the other direction that they might scare some people...
;-))



Mike

I could not agree more with you. Tuscany is the worst (is Cernilli
responsible for it?). Where is Biondi Santi, Soldera, Lisini (the
"real" Brunellos) and then they give 3 bicchieri to Banfi!!! come on
that is not Brunello!!! and all those horrible super-tuscans get their
3 glasses. When I was in Italy I talked to a lot of people who was
turning against Gambero Rosso, maybe it will force them to change.

Mike have you ever seen a wine over there called Isole E Olena Chiperallo.

Another was Falesco Merlot Umbrio.

The first is very allocated here and was very good.

The second was also very good, widely available, and fairly resonable here.
Around $15 per bottle.

Just wondering as our selections here, especially in the area of USA I live
is limited on Italian wines. But these are some of my favorites.

"Mike Tommasi" > wrote in message
...
> On 10 Oct 2003 17:35:57 GMT, amnspam (Dale Williams)
> wrote:
>
> >Elsewhere I saw the list below posted of the 2004 Gambero Rosso Tre
Bicchieri
> >winners. Nothing shocking, though they seem to have come back towards the
> >center in Piemonte, with some traditional makers getting awards (B.
Mascarello,
> >Marcarini, etc.).
>
> Yes, things do shift around at each edition. Partly because the two
> organizations, Slow Food and Gambero Rosso, take turns for each
> region.
>
>
> Despite being very involved in Slow Food, I almost take no notice of
> this guide. Too many international style wines, all very similar, all
> easily challenged by new world wines at lower prices. I think that
> this guide is far too influenced by Gambero Rosso and specifically by
> some of its critics like Cernilli.
>
> Signs of change: the recent appearance of people like Gravner on the
> list. A bit late, mind you, because Gravner's wonderful wines are so
> far off in the other direction that they might scare some people...
> ;-))
>
>
>
> Mike

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:20:09 GMT, "dick" > wrote:

>Mike have you ever seen a wine over there called Isole E Olena Chiperallo.
>

Cepparello I believe, good value. Not elegant, but good cncentration,
cherry?

>Another was Falesco Merlot Umbrio.

I know their Montiano, again good QPR but as I recall, too bad there
is so much oak, the fruit could have been left to express itself
better.

Mike

>
>Mike have you ever seen a wine over there called Isole E Olena Chiperallo.
>

I think you mean "Cepparello". It sells for about $65.00. I don't think it's
allocated they just don't make much of it....about 4000 cases and it always
gets a big number from WS so all of the folks who buy from the numbers suck it
up.
Bi!!

"Dale Williams" ha scritto

> Barbera d'Asti Sup. Sei V. Insynthesis '01 - CANTINA SOCIALE DI
VINCHIO
> VAGLIO SERRA

I tasted this one at Alba, yesterday (Sunday 12), and I found it
impressive.
The man at the stand, also, was a nice guy so we talked about
theyr presence in the "3 bicchieri" list.
He told me that they were the first, in many years, co-op winery
to get that award in Piedmont, and he said that this is due to a
particular
mind-set of the people at gambero rosso about co-ops: never
give a damn about them.
In effect, looking at some "3 bicchieri" lists from the past, I
can see that there are no "social wineries" (co-ops) listed in
there.
Why do they behave like that? Do they dislike common people
gathering and working as well as, if not better than, private
wineries?
This Barbera is the living proof that also co-ops can give great
results.

BTW: the stand clerk told me that they worked at around 48
quintals (48 per 100Kg) per hectare, and that's a very limited
yeld, yelding a very nice product.

Someone is starting to wonder upon which is the limit of reduced
yeld, or, IOW, how long con one reduce the yeld before reaching
the natural limit of the vines.
One could thin out the grapes upto a production of a tenth of
grape per plant, but would it be qualitatively superior to grapes
coming from someone who thinned out the production donw to
a quart of grape per plant?
I heard recently about people thinning out theyr grapes to the
point that they get just half grape from every plant. It that
worth
the effort (and the loss in terms of quantity) or have we gone
over the limit thus cutting and thinning just for the sake to
write
"20 quintals per hectare" on the winery description page?

Vilco

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:24:11 +0200, "Vilco \(out\)" > wrote:

>"Dale Williams" ha scritto
>
>> Barbera d'Asti Sup. Sei V. Insynthesis '01 - CANTINA SOCIALE DI
>VINCHIO
>> VAGLIO SERRA
>
>I tasted this one at Alba, yesterday (Sunday 12), and I found it
>impressive.
>The man at the stand, also, was a nice guy so we talked about
>theyr presence in the "3 bicchieri" list.
>He told me that they were the first, in many years, co-op winery
>to get that award in Piedmont, and he said that this is due to a
>particular
>mind-set of the people at gambero rosso about co-ops: never
>give a damn about them.
>In effect, looking at some "3 bicchieri" lists from the past, I
>can see that there are no "social wineries" (co-ops) listed in
>there.

Well, that is not quite exact. On the 2002 issue there were dozens of
Cantine Sociali, including the great ones like sardinian Santadi (3
tre-bicchieri, 4 due-bicchieri) and south-tyrolian San Michele Appiano
(4 tre-bicchieri, 8 due-bicchieri), and many more

>Why do they behave like that? Do they dislike common people
>gathering and working as well as, if not better than, private
>wineries?
>This Barbera is the living proof that also co-ops can give great
>results.

To be fair, I would say that great coops are the exception. There are
more in Italy than in France, over here I can think of the Cave
d'Eztezargues making great wine, and no other...

>
>BTW: the stand clerk told me that they worked at around 48
>quintals (48 per 100Kg) per hectare, and that's a very limited
>yeld, yelding a very nice product.

Ah, yes, in french terms that works out to about 35 hl/ha. But be
careful of such figures, yields per hectare are an average, and in
many cases the parcels include large areas with dead plants. Also,
planting density makes a big difference, you can have 300 to 10000
plants per hectare. A better measure would be yield per plant, as the
Swiss do...

Other than the obvious case of botrytis wines (under 9 hl/ha often), I
have had some very low yield carignan to die for...

Ciao Vilco

Mike

"dick" > wrote in message
hlink.net

> Another was Falesco Merlot Umbrio.

> The second was also very good, widely available, and fairly resonable
> here. Around $15 per bottle.

IMHO an ex. of the wines I find boaring and disappointing. In our family the
name of such wines is 'steroid wine' - a bug load of muscles with almost no
skeleton to support it.
A lot of theese modern wines er made to please, but they can't keep the
interest after the first glass (stil IMHO).

Another surprise to me was the Barricadiero fro Aurora in Marche.
They make wonderfull whites and also their Rosso Piceno Superiore is
excellent, but the Baricadiero was dropped by me this year because of its
almost sweet softness without the slightest trace of terroir and
owerwhelming oak.

regards
Jan

"Mike Tommasi" ha scritto

> Well, that is not quite exact. On the 2002 issue there were
dozens of
> Cantine Sociali, including the great ones like sardinian
Santadi (3
> tre-bicchieri, 4 due-bicchieri) and south-tyrolian San Michele
Appiano
> (4 tre-bicchieri, 8 due-bicchieri), and many more

Well, do you see any "3 bicchieri" to co-ops in Piedmont?

Vilco

In article >, "Vilco \(out\)" > writes:

>Well, do you see any "3 bicchieri" to co-ops in Piedmont?

Barbaresco '99 - PRODUTTORI DEL BARBARESCO


Mike wrote
Too many international style wines, all very similar, all
easily challenged by new world wines at lower prices.

That was my feeling at the Tre Bicchieri tasting last year- how many fruit
forward new -oak wines do you need to taste, any of which could have come from
Cali?

I think it's encouraging that this year some producers that don't fit the New
Wave -they've let in Bruno Giacosa before, but nice to see G. Mascarello.

Sven wrote:
Where is Biondi Santi, Soldera, Lisini (the
"real" Brunellos) and then they give 3 bicchieri to Banfi!!! come on
that is not Brunello!!

Sven, I like Lisini. And I'd like Soldera if I could afford it. But I
personally think for the last 15 years Biondi-Santi has been coasting on
reputation.I liked the '97 Biondi-Santi Brunello better than others from recent
vintages I've tried, though still don't think it offers very good QPR, since it
retails for about 3X Pertimali, Uccelliera, Lisini.

I've enjoyed some Banfi normales (don't remember having the '98 Poggio alle
Mura), not the best Brunellos, but they give typcity without the over the top
oak of some new-wave producers.


Dick, if you look the 2000 Cepparello was on the list. As to Falesco, I agree
the Montiano is overoaked, though a nice wine. The Merlot is ok, but loosing
its QPR as it edges up (the Vitiano, too)
Dale

Dale Williams
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The Merlot Umbria I like as its more reasonable priced. The Montiano I
tried I did not care for as much as the Umbia at less than 1/3 the cost.

The Vitiano I have had tremendous bottle variation from the same case of
wine. Some outstanding and some quite poor in my opinion. I do not
understand how that can happen that way. That might account for why a
winespectator would have trashed it when Robert Parker praised it. The
answer could have been in Bottle Variation.

But why would that occur in wine. There was not heat damage I could see
with the corks. It was same vintage, same case. I cut the case open at
home myself. This was the 1997/1998 year I noticed and stopped buying
Vitiano after that.


"Dale Williams" > wrote in message
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> In article >, "Vilco \(out\)" >
writes:
>
> >Well, do you see any "3 bicchieri" to co-ops in Piedmont?
>
> Barbaresco '99 - PRODUTTORI DEL BARBARESCO
>
>
> Mike wrote
> Too many international style wines, all very similar, all
> easily challenged by new world wines at lower prices.
>
> That was my feeling at the Tre Bicchieri tasting last year- how many fruit
> forward new -oak wines do you need to taste, any of which could have come
from
> Cali?
>
> I think it's encouraging that this year some producers that don't fit the
New
> Wave -they've let in Bruno Giacosa before, but nice to see G. Mascarello.
>
> Sven wrote:
> Where is Biondi Santi, Soldera, Lisini (the
> "real" Brunellos) and then they give 3 bicchieri to Banfi!!! come on
> that is not Brunello!!
>
> Sven, I like Lisini. And I'd like Soldera if I could afford it. But I
> personally think for the last 15 years Biondi-Santi has been coasting on
> reputation.I liked the '97 Biondi-Santi Brunello better than others from
recent
> vintages I've tried, though still don't think it offers very good QPR,
since it
> retails for about 3X Pertimali, Uccelliera, Lisini.
>
> I've enjoyed some Banfi normales (don't remember having the '98 Poggio
alle
> Mura), not the best Brunellos, but they give typcity without the over the
top
> oak of some new-wave producers.
>
>
> Dick, if you look the 2000 Cepparello was on the list. As to Falesco, I
agree
> the Montiano is overoaked, though a nice wine. The Merlot is ok, but
loosing
> its QPR as it edges up (the Vitiano, too)
> Dale
>
> Dale Williams
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