I grilled some wild venison chops last night and opened my first
bottle of 2005 Clos Des Papes CNP. Fairly deep reddish purple in the
glass with a fair amount of gylcerin hanging on the sides of the
glass. Nose of red rasperry, black pepper and asian spice. Medium
weight on the palate, plenty of sweet ripe red and blackberry up front
with a fair amount of plummy flavors. A bit of bittersweet chocolate
and black coffee on the fisnish. Firm but smooth tannins. A really
good wine now but will get better over the next 3-5 years. "A-"

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"Bi!!" > wrote:

> I grilled some wild venison chops last night and opened my first
> bottle of 2005 Clos Des Papes CNP. Fairly deep reddish purple in the
> glass with a fair amount of gylcerin hanging on the sides of the
> glass. Nose of red rasperry, black pepper and asian spice. Medium
> weight on the palate, plenty of sweet ripe red and blackberry up front
> with a fair amount of plummy flavors. A bit of bittersweet chocolate
> and black coffee on the fisnish. Firm but smooth tannins. A really
> good wine now but will get better over the next 3-5 years. "A-"

Thanks, I have two bottles of this so was waiting until 2012 to open
either.

Bi!! wrote:
> I grilled some wild venison chops last night and opened my first
> bottle of 2005 Clos Des Papes CNP. Fairly deep reddish purple in the
> glass with a fair amount of gylcerin hanging on the sides of the
> glass. Nose of red rasperry, black pepper and asian spice. Medium
> weight on the palate, plenty of sweet ripe red and blackberry up front
> with a fair amount of plummy flavors. A bit of bittersweet chocolate
> and black coffee on the fisnish. Firm but smooth tannins. A really
> good wine now but will get better over the next 3-5 years. "A-"

I'm a traditionalist in not touching my CdPs until 12 or so years past
vintage (right now, I'm drinking up my '94s and beginning to think of my
'98s). Still, it's good to hear about this wine. Do you detect a
change in style from the '90s? Just curious...

Mark Lipton

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On Oct 15, 11:38�am, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> Bi!! wrote:
> > I grilled some wild venison chops last night and opened my first
> > bottle of 2005 Clos Des Papes CNP. �Fairly deep reddish purple in the
> > glass with a fair amount of gylcerin hanging on the sides of the
> > glass. �Nose of red rasperry, black pepper and asian spice. �Medium
> > weight on the palate, plenty of sweet ripe red and blackberry up front
> > with a fair amount of plummy flavors. �A bit of bittersweet chocolate
> > and black coffee on the fisnish. �Firm but smooth tannins. �A really
> > good wine now but will get better over the next 3-5 years. "A-"
>
> I'm a traditionalist in not touching my CdPs until 12 or so years past
> vintage (right now, I'm drinking up my '94s and beginning to think of my
> '98s). �Still, it's good to hear about this wine. �Do you detect a
> change in style from the '90s? �Just curious...
>
> Mark �Lipton
>
> --
> alt.food.wine FAQ: �http://winefaq.cwdjr.net

Yes, there is a change toward a more modern, concentrated, riper
style. I really started to notice it in the 2001 vintage. I think
the proportion of Grenache, Mourvedre and Syrah are still the same but
the ripeness levels and the alcohol seems higher as I think the 2005
is at 15.3% and the wines from the 90's didin't exceed 14%. The wine
is a mouthful to be sure!

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>,
"Bi!!" > wrote:

> On Oct 15, 11:38?am, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> > Bi!! wrote:
> > > I grilled some wild venison chops last night and opened my first
> > > bottle of 2005 Clos Des Papes CNP. ?Fairly deep reddish purple in the
> > > glass with a fair amount of gylcerin hanging on the sides of the
> > > glass. ?Nose of red rasperry, black pepper and asian spice. ?Medium
> > > weight on the palate, plenty of sweet ripe red and blackberry up front
> > > with a fair amount of plummy flavors. ?A bit of bittersweet chocolate
> > > and black coffee on the fisnish. ?Firm but smooth tannins. ?A really
> > > good wine now but will get better over the next 3-5 years. "A-"
> >
> > I'm a traditionalist in not touching my CdPs until 12 or so years past
> > vintage (right now, I'm drinking up my '94s and beginning to think of my
> > '98s). ?Still, it's good to hear about this wine. ?Do you detect a
> > change in style from the '90s? ?Just curious...
> >
> > Mark ?Lipton
> >
> > --
> > alt.food.wine FAQ: ?http://winefaq.cwdjr.net
>
> Yes, there is a change toward a more modern, concentrated, riper
> style. I really started to notice it in the 2001 vintage. I think
> the proportion of Grenache, Mourvedre and Syrah are still the same but
> the ripeness levels and the alcohol seems higher as I think the 2005
> is at 15.3% and the wines from the 90's didin't exceed 14%. The wine
> is a mouthful to be sure!

I tend to agree with Bi!! here. I've noticed a slightly more
approachable style earlier on with CDP. I think this is part of the
growing trend to hold wines less time and drink them earlier. It seems
that very few wines are going the other way.

On Oct 15, 1:39�pm, Lawrence Leichtman > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
>
>
>
> �"Bi!!" > wrote:
> > On Oct 15, 11:38?am, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> > > Bi!! wrote:
> > > > I grilled some wild venison chops last night and opened my first
> > > > bottle of 2005 Clos Des Papes CNP. ?Fairly deep reddish purple in the
> > > > glass with a fair amount of gylcerin hanging on the sides of the
> > > > glass. ?Nose of red rasperry, black pepper and asian spice. ?Medium
> > > > weight on the palate, plenty of sweet ripe red and blackberry up front
> > > > with a fair amount of plummy flavors. ?A bit of bittersweet chocolate
> > > > and black coffee on the fisnish. ?Firm but smooth tannins. ?A really
> > > > good wine now but will get better over the next 3-5 years. "A-"
>
> > > I'm a traditionalist in not touching my CdPs until 12 or so years past
> > > vintage (right now, I'm drinking up my '94s and beginning to think of my
> > > '98s). ?Still, it's good to hear about this wine. ?Do you detect a
> > > change in style from the '90s? ?Just curious...
>
> > > Mark ?Lipton
>
> > > --
> > > alt.food.wine FAQ: ?http://winefaq.cwdjr.net
>
> > Yes, there is a change toward a more modern, concentrated, riper
> > style. �I really started to notice it in the 2001 vintage. �I think
> > the proportion of Grenache, Mourvedre and Syrah are still the same but
> > the ripeness levels and the alcohol seems higher as I think the 2005
> > is at 15.3% and the wines from the 90's didin't exceed 14%. �The wine
> > is a mouthful to be sure!
>
> I tend to agree with Bi!! here. I've noticed a slightly more
> approachable style earlier on with CDP. I think this is part of the
> growing trend to hold wines less time and drink them earlier. It seems
> that very few wines are going the other way.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Right, there's no future in it.....