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Jim Gibson 12-10-2007 01:04 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
In article >, Sandman
> wrote:

> In article >,
> "zara" > wrote:
>

[blah,blah]

>
> Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense! :-D


Please stop responding to trolls. It is the only way to get rid of them.

Thanks!

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Adam Kesher 12-10-2007 01:48 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
On Oct 11, 5:48 am, DanKegel > wrote:
> On Oct 9, 7:31 pm, Snit > wrote:
>
> > > > "Bob Campbell" > wrote:
> > > > Expensive wines are generally better than MD 20/20 also.

>
> > > I'm sure the folks in alt.food.wine are as thrilled with this info as us
> > > in the Mac newsgroups.

>
> > > That was done for a reason. There are some tightass's there who come close
> > > to some of the maccies here. Some of them, like some of you, believe that
> > > the "more expensive" a commodity, the better it is.

>
> > Can you suggest any real good wines that are not expensive?

>
> Sure. Ever heard of two-buck Chuck?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Shaw_wine


Eesh. Hangover in a bottle. Avoid. Save a few pennies and spring
for this:

http://www.wine-club-central.com/detail.aspx?ID=8103

Or this:

http://www.shopritewines.com/sku00982.html

Or if you want to go the pinot noir route, try these:

http://www.stinnocentwine.com/NewFiles/pnth05.html

http://winegeeks.com/wines/1339

http://www.northwest-wine.com/domain...noir-2000.html



zara[_2_] 12-10-2007 05:40 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 

"Jim Gibson" > wrote in message
. ..
> In article >, Sandman
> > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> "zara" > wrote:
>>

> [blah,blah]
>
>>
>> Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense! :-D

>
> Please stop responding to trolls. It is the only way to get rid of them.


NEWSFLASH!!! He doesn't want to "get rid" of us. We give his sad, little,
tawdry life, meaning. Like all the rest of you Macfish. I would say that
it's a good symbiotic relationship. Some of you want to be abused - we
want to abuse you. We are after all, only trying to make you happy. At
great cost to us, I might add.



zara[_2_] 12-10-2007 05:44 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 

"Sandman" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "zara" > wrote:
>
>> >> clever,-- in your mind I'm sure.
>> >
>> > How did it make your mind feel?

>>
>> How strange "Foreigners" are.

>
> Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense! :-D


So something "senseless" makes "sense" to you?



Sandman 12-10-2007 08:49 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
In article >,
Jim Gibson > wrote:

> > Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense! :-D

>
> Please stop responding to trolls. It is the only way to get rid of them.
>
> Thanks!


We should not get rid of them. Responding to trolls such as zara and
Muahman is what we should do here, to keep them out of the real Mac
groups.


--
Sandman[.net]

Sandman 12-10-2007 09:04 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
In article >,
"zara" > wrote:

> "Jim Gibson" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > In article >, Sandman
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> "zara" > wrote:
> >>

> > [blah,blah]
> >
> >>
> >> Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense! :-D

> >
> > Please stop responding to trolls. It is the only way to get rid of them.

>
> NEWSFLASH!!! He doesn't want to "get rid" of us. We give his sad, little,
> tawdry life, meaning.


My, you described my life 100%. I feel so sad and hurt right now. You
really nailed it. I'm hurting. Please somebody help me. I'm just a
shadow of my former self.

I'm crying...


--
Sandman[.net]

Sandman 12-10-2007 09:05 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
In article >,
"zara" > wrote:

> >> >> clever,-- in your mind I'm sure.
> >> >
> >> > How did it make your mind feel?
> >>
> >> How strange "Foreigners" are.

> >
> > Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense! :-D

>
> So something "senseless" makes "sense" to you?


Whoa! What a comeback! You really slapped me in the face with that
one, zara! Damn you're good at this. How could I ever compete with
your superior wit?

Damn, do I feel humiliated or what?

--
Sandman[.net]

John C. Randolph 12-10-2007 11:57 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
On 2007-10-11 05:43:53 -0700, "zara" > said:

> HAR, HAR, HAR - a real thigh slapper. Your newsreader must be broken,
> you didn't get to see the whole of my response. How many Martini's do
> you suck down with Lovie before dinner? How many before?


I don't drink alcohol, Zero. Back in high school, I looked around and
saw that the kids who did drink tended to make asses of themselves
(rather like you and prat do here), so I declined to participate.

-jcr


zara[_2_] 12-10-2007 01:39 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 

"John C. Randolph" > wrote in message
news:2007101203571875249-jcrnospam@nospammaccom...
> On 2007-10-11 05:43:53 -0700, "zara" > said:
>
>> HAR, HAR, HAR - a real thigh slapper. Your newsreader must be broken,
>> you didn't get to see the whole of my response. How many Martini's do
>> you suck down with Lovie before dinner? How many before?

>
> I don't drink alcohol, Zero. Back in high school, I looked around and saw
> that the kids who did drink tended to make asses of themselves (rather
> like you and prat do here), so I declined to participate.


Oh - drugs. That explains a lot.



zara[_2_] 12-10-2007 01:41 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 

"Sandman" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "zara" > wrote:
>
>> "Jim Gibson" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> > In article >, Sandman
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article >,
>> >> "zara" > wrote:
>> >>
>> > [blah,blah]
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense! :-D
>> >
>> > Please stop responding to trolls. It is the only way to get rid of
>> > them.

>>
>> NEWSFLASH!!! He doesn't want to "get rid" of us. We give his sad,
>> little,
>> tawdry life, meaning.

>
> My, you described my life 100%. I feel so sad and hurt right now. You
> really nailed it. I'm hurting. Please somebody help me. I'm just a
> shadow of my former self.


You got it backwards. You're supposed to feel happy. I am trying hard to
help you.



zara[_2_] 12-10-2007 01:43 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 

"Sandman" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "zara" > wrote:
>
>> >> >> clever,-- in your mind I'm sure.
>> >> >
>> >> > How did it make your mind feel?
>> >>
>> >> How strange "Foreigners" are.
>> >
>> > Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense! :-D

>>
>> So something "senseless" makes "sense" to you?

>
> Whoa! What a comeback! You really slapped me in the face with that
> one, zara! Damn you're good at this. How could I ever compete with
> your superior wit?


Keep trying. "Practice makes perfect".
>
> Damn, do I feel humiliated or what?


Don't. It's only part of the "learning experience". Very similar to the
"mac experience".



Sandman 12-10-2007 02:20 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
In article >,
"zara" > wrote:

> "Sandman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "zara" > wrote:
> >
> >> >> >> clever,-- in your mind I'm sure.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How did it make your mind feel?
> >> >>
> >> >> How strange "Foreigners" are.
> >> >
> >> > Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense! :-D
> >>
> >> So something "senseless" makes "sense" to you?

> >
> > Whoa! What a comeback! You really slapped me in the face with that
> > one, zara! Damn you're good at this. How could I ever compete with
> > your superior wit?

>
> Keep trying. "Practice makes perfect".
> >
> > Damn, do I feel humiliated or what?

>
> Don't. It's only part of the "learning experience". Very similar to the
> "mac experience".


Damn, you used quote marks! What to do? What to do?


--
Sandman[.net]

Tim Streater 12-10-2007 02:23 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
In article >,
"zara" > wrote:

> "John C. Randolph" > wrote in message
> news:2007101203571875249-jcrnospam@nospammaccom...
> > On 2007-10-11 05:43:53 -0700, "zara" > said:
> >
> >> HAR, HAR, HAR - a real thigh slapper. Your newsreader must be broken,
> >> you didn't get to see the whole of my response. How many Martini's do
> >> you suck down with Lovie before dinner? How many before?

> >
> > I don't drink alcohol, Zero. Back in high school, I looked around and saw
> > that the kids who did drink tended to make asses of themselves (rather
> > like you and prat do here), so I declined to participate.

>
> Oh - drugs. That explains a lot.


You still here? Do run away and play, sonny, there's a good boy.

zara[_2_] 12-10-2007 02:31 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 

"Tim Streater" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "zara" > wrote:
>
>> "John C. Randolph" > wrote in message
>> news:2007101203571875249-jcrnospam@nospammaccom...
>> > On 2007-10-11 05:43:53 -0700, "zara" > said:
>> >
>> >> HAR, HAR, HAR - a real thigh slapper. Your newsreader must be broken,
>> >> you didn't get to see the whole of my response. How many Martini's do
>> >> you suck down with Lovie before dinner? How many before?
>> >
>> > I don't drink alcohol, Zero. Back in high school, I looked around and
>> > saw
>> > that the kids who did drink tended to make asses of themselves (rather
>> > like you and prat do here), so I declined to participate.

>>
>> Oh - drugs. That explains a lot.

>
> You still here? Do run away and play, sonny, there's a good boy.


I love it here. I love getting under your skin.



John C. Randolph 12-10-2007 02:41 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
On 2007-10-12 05:39:02 -0700, "zara" > said:

>
> "John C. Randolph" > wrote in message
> news:2007101203571875249-jcrnospam@nospammaccom...
>> On 2007-10-11 05:43:53 -0700, "zara" > said:
>>
>>> HAR, HAR, HAR - a real thigh slapper. Your newsreader must be broken,
>>> you didn't get to see the whole of my response. How many Martini's do
>>> you suck down with Lovie before dinner? How many before?

>>
>> I don't drink alcohol, Zero. Back in high school, I looked around and
>> saw that the kids who did drink tended to make asses of themselves
>> (rather like you and prat do here), so I declined to participate.

>
> Oh - drugs.


Project much?

-jcr


zara[_3_] 12-10-2007 03:39 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 

"Michelle Steiner" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Sandman > wrote:
>
>> > > Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense!
>> > > :-D
>> >
>> > Please stop responding to trolls. It is the only way to get rid of
>> > them.
>> >
>> > Thanks!

>>
>> We should not get rid of them. Responding to trolls such as zara and
>> Muahman is what we should do here, to keep them out of the real Mac
>> groups.

>
> One of the groups you're crossposting to is comp.sys.mac.system, which
> is one of the "real Mac groups".


Yeah - it's the one with the "real" Macshitheads.



Sandman 12-10-2007 03:47 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
In article >,
Michelle Steiner > wrote:

> In article >,
> Sandman > wrote:
>
> > > > Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense!
> > > > :-D
> > >
> > > Please stop responding to trolls. It is the only way to get rid of
> > > them.
> > >
> > > Thanks!

> >
> > We should not get rid of them. Responding to trolls such as zara and
> > Muahman is what we should do here, to keep them out of the real Mac
> > groups.

>
> One of the groups you're crossposting to is comp.sys.mac.system, which
> is one of the "real Mac groups".


Ooops, Sorry. :-D

I post from comp.sys.mac.advocacy .-D


--
Sandman[.net]

Sandman 12-10-2007 03:47 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
In article >,
"zara" > wrote:

> "Tim Streater" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "zara" > wrote:
> >
> >> "John C. Randolph" > wrote in message
> >> news:2007101203571875249-jcrnospam@nospammaccom...
> >> > On 2007-10-11 05:43:53 -0700, "zara" > said:
> >> >
> >> >> HAR, HAR, HAR - a real thigh slapper. Your newsreader must be broken,
> >> >> you didn't get to see the whole of my response. How many Martini's do
> >> >> you suck down with Lovie before dinner? How many before?
> >> >
> >> > I don't drink alcohol, Zero. Back in high school, I looked around and
> >> > saw
> >> > that the kids who did drink tended to make asses of themselves (rather
> >> > like you and prat do here), so I declined to participate.
> >>
> >> Oh - drugs. That explains a lot.

> >
> > You still here? Do run away and play, sonny, there's a good boy.

>
> I love it here. I love getting under your skin.


You get under his skin by using drugs? Weird.


--
Sandman[.net]

Michael Pronay 12-10-2007 03:47 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
"zara" > wrote:

> [...]


Go back to where you once belonged, Jojo.

M.

Michael Pronay 12-10-2007 03:48 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
"zara" > wrote:

> [...]


Go back to where you once belonged, Jojo.

M.

George Graves 12-10-2007 07:32 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:49:50 -0700, Sandman wrote
(in article >):

> In article >,
> Jim Gibson > wrote:
>
>>> Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense! :-D

>>
>> Please stop responding to trolls. It is the only way to get rid of them.
>>
>> Thanks!

>
> We should not get rid of them. Responding to trolls such as zara and
> Muahman is what we should do here, to keep them out of the real Mac
> groups.


Good idea except that it doesn't seem to work. Zero, for instance, has spread
his infection to other Mac groups.


Sandman 12-10-2007 07:48 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
In article > ,
George Graves > wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:49:50 -0700, Sandman wrote
> (in article >):
>
> > In article >,
> > Jim Gibson > wrote:
> >
> >>> Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense! :-D
> >>
> >> Please stop responding to trolls. It is the only way to get rid of them.
> >>
> >> Thanks!

> >
> > We should not get rid of them. Responding to trolls such as zara and
> > Muahman is what we should do here, to keep them out of the real Mac
> > groups.

>
> Good idea except that it doesn't seem to work. Zero, for instance, has spread
> his infection to other Mac groups.


We must work harder. Make him feel like he is taking advantage of us.
It seems to work.


--
Sandman[.net]

RubyTuesday 12-10-2007 08:37 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
In article >,
Sandman > wrote:

> In article > ,
> George Graves > wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:49:50 -0700, Sandman wrote
> > (in article >):
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > Jim Gibson > wrote:
> > >
> > >>> Your mind is "foreign" to you? Well, I guess that makes sense! :-D
> > >>
> > >> Please stop responding to trolls. It is the only way to get rid of them.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks!
> > >
> > > We should not get rid of them. Responding to trolls such as zara and
> > > Muahman is what we should do here, to keep them out of the real Mac
> > > groups.

> >
> > Good idea except that it doesn't seem to work. Zero, for instance, has
> > spread
> > his infection to other Mac groups.

>
> We must work harder. Make him feel like he is taking advantage of us.
> It seems to work.


Yes, it's called feeding the trolls.

Ruby

Warren Oates 12-10-2007 09:20 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
In article >,
Sandman > wrote:

> > One of the groups you're crossposting to is comp.sys.mac.system, which
> > is one of the "real Mac groups".

>
> Ooops, Sorry. :-D
>
> I post from comp.sys.mac.advocacy .-D


The important thing is to make sure he doesn't find out how to get
access to our _private_ Mac group; please be careful what you say here,
I'd hate if if we had to moderate the thing.
--
W. Oates

George Kerby 12-10-2007 10:53 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 



On 10/12/07 3:20 PM, in article ,
"Warren Oates" > wrote:

> In article >,
> Sandman > wrote:
>
>>> One of the groups you're crossposting to is comp.sys.mac.system, which
>>> is one of the "real Mac groups".

>>
>> Ooops, Sorry. :-D
>>
>> I post from comp.sys.mac.advocacy .-D

>
> The important thing is to make sure he doesn't find out how to get
> access to our _private_ Mac group; please be careful what you say here,
> I'd hate if if we had to moderate the thing.

Sssssssshhhhhhhh!

NOW you've done it!!!

As Keifer S. would say, "DAMMIT!".

:-)


me[_8_] 13-10-2007 01:41 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
On Oct 9, 8:32 pm, "zara" > wrote:
> "Bob Campbell" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > In article >,
> > "zara" > wrote:

>
> >> Go to: microsoft.com

>
> >> Click "downloads"

>
> >> Click "WINDOWS update" (FREE)

>
> >> This baby upgrades WINDOWS XP to something a lot better and faster than
> >> Leopard.

>
> > I'm sure the folks in alt.food.wine are as thrilled with this info as us
> > in the Mac newsgroups.

>
> That was done for a reason. There are some tightass's there who come close
> to some of the maccies here. Some of them, like some of you, believe that
> the "more expensive" a commodity, the better it is.


It's not a matter of expense, it's using what's best for the job. If
you don't want it, don't use it. No one is holding a gun to your
head. Now run along and play with your toys.....shoo.... The grown
ups here have work to do.


John Slade 13-10-2007 02:30 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 

"Bob Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "zara" > wrote:
>
>> Go to: microsoft.com
>>
>> Click "downloads"
>>
>> Click "WINDOWS update" (FREE)
>>
>> This baby upgrades WINDOWS XP to something a lot better and faster than
>> Leopard.

>
> I'm sure the folks in alt.food.wine are as thrilled with this info as us
> in the Mac newsgroups.


Haven't you heard, Macs run Windows now. So this inform is totally
relevant here.

John



John Slade 13-10-2007 02:33 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 

"Bob Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "zara" > wrote:
>
>> That was done for a reason. There are some tightass's there who come
>> close
>> to some of the maccies here. Some of them, like some of you, believe
>> that
>> the "more expensive" a commodity, the better it is.

>
> That's generally true. OS X is worth every penny. Likewise, Linux is
> worth every penny you pay for it.


And Windows is worth every penny you pay for it too to some people. To
me OS X is lacking so it is not worth every penny I pay for it. Linux is
worth every penny to some and to others it's of no use to them. Please don't
confuse opinions with facts. I've used all of those OSes at one time or
another and they all have good points and bad points.

John



John Slade 13-10-2007 02:37 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 

"Snit" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Oct 9, 5:32 pm, "zara" > wrote:
>> "Bob Campbell" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > "zara" > wrote:

>>
>> >> Go to: microsoft.com

>>
>> >> Click "downloads"

>>
>> >> Click "WINDOWS update" (FREE)

>>
>> >> This baby upgrades WINDOWS XP to something a lot better and faster
>> >> than
>> >> Leopard.

>>
>> > I'm sure the folks in alt.food.wine are as thrilled with this info as
>> > us
>> > in the Mac newsgroups.

>>
>> That was done for a reason. There are some tightass's there who come
>> close
>> to some of the maccies here. Some of them, like some of you, believe
>> that
>> the "more expensive" a commodity, the better it is.

>
> Can you suggest any real good wines that are not expensive? I prefer
> dry over sweet. Seriously... even a decent Pinot noir would be fine.
> I try to stay away from added nitrates which makes things a challenge.


Snit, you have a enough problems as it is without adding drinking
booze to the list. How the hell did you manage to get out of my killfile? Oh
well back into the cage you go, PLONK.

John



Jolly Roger 13-10-2007 04:49 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
On 2007-10-12 09:47:02 -0500, Sandman > said:

> Ooops, Sorry. :-D
>
> I post from comp.sys.mac.advocacy .-D


Then kindly trim legitimate news groups from your reply headers in the future.


Jolly Roger 13-10-2007 04:51 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
On 2007-10-12 08:20:12 -0500, Sandman > said:

> What to do? What to do?


Adding dork to your kill file rather than responding to dork's silly
posts would be a good start.


Sandman 13-10-2007 06:56 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
In article <2007101222513611272-jollyroger@poboxcom>,
Jolly Roger > wrote:

> On 2007-10-12 08:20:12 -0500, Sandman > said:
>
> > What to do? What to do?

>
> Adding dork to your kill file rather than responding to dork's silly
> posts would be a good start.


That kind of defeats the purpose of this group...


--
Sandman[.net]

Sandman 13-10-2007 06:57 AM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
In article <200710122249218930-jollyroger@poboxcom>,
Jolly Roger > wrote:

> On 2007-10-12 09:47:02 -0500, Sandman > said:
>
> > Ooops, Sorry. :-D
> >
> > I post from comp.sys.mac.advocacy .-D

>
> Then kindly trim legitimate news groups from your reply headers in the future.


Yes, I'll try to think about that.


--
Sandman[.net]

zara[_5_] 13-10-2007 10:37 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 

"David Fritzinger" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Sandman > wrote:
>
>> In article <200710122249218930-jollyroger@poboxcom>,
>> Jolly Roger > wrote:
>>
>> > On 2007-10-12 09:47:02 -0500, Sandman > said:
>> >
>> > > Ooops, Sorry. :-D
>> > >
>> > > I post from comp.sys.mac.advocacy .-D
>> >
>> > Then kindly trim legitimate news groups from your reply headers in the
>> > future.

>>
>> Yes, I'll try to think about that.

>
> Sadly, zero has already found comp.sys.mac.system, and has originated
> several threads there.


FYI: I know where they all are. The best places are the ones I fish.



John C. Randolph 14-10-2007 03:23 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
On 2007-10-12 07:47:49 -0700, Sandman > said:

> In article >,
> "zara" > wrote:
>
>> "Tim Streater" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> "zara" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "John C. Randolph" > wrote in message
>>>> news:2007101203571875249-jcrnospam@nospammaccom...
>>>>> On 2007-10-11 05:43:53 -0700, "zara" > said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> HAR, HAR, HAR - a real thigh slapper. Your newsreader must be broken,
>>>>>> you didn't get to see the whole of my response. How many Martini's do
>>>>>> you suck down with Lovie before dinner? How many before?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't drink alcohol, Zero. Back in high school, I looked around and saw
>>>>> that the kids who did drink tended to make asses of themselves (rather
>>>>> like you and prat do here), so I declined to participate.
>>>>
>>>> Oh - drugs. That explains a lot.
>>>
>>> You still here? Do run away and play, sonny, there's a good boy.

>>
>> I love it here. I love getting under your skin.

>
> You get under his skin by using drugs? Weird.


I wonder what kind of drugs they are that keep him from realizing what
an ass he makes of himself.

-jcr


nospamatall 15-10-2007 09:05 PM

Attn: WINDOWS users
 
zara wrote:
> "Bob Campbell" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "zara" > wrote:
>>
>>> Go to: microsoft.com
>>>
>>> Click "downloads"
>>>
>>> Click "WINDOWS update" (FREE)
>>>
>>> This baby upgrades WINDOWS XP to something a lot better and faster than
>>> Leopard.

>> I'm sure the folks in alt.food.wine are as thrilled with this info as us
>> in the Mac newsgroups.

>
> That was done for a reason. There are some tightass's there who come close
> to some of the maccies here. Some of them, like some of you, believe that
> the "more expensive" a commodity, the better it is.
>


So you're a wine philistine too?


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