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On Jun 27, 11:51 pm, RichD > wrote:
> http://www.wineenhancer.net/wine-acc...pplies-how.asp > > "Our trade secret, proprietary design creates a > harmonically balanced resonate frequency that > affects the water molecules structure" Physicists call it a microwave. Why would you want to heat up your wine? > > Proving, again, that science doesn't have all the answers... Hippie ****s like you have even fewer answers, and produce _zero_ working technology. > > -- > Rich |
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"RichD" > wrote in message oups.com... > http://www.wineenhancer.net/wine-acc...pplies-how.asp > > "Our trade secret, proprietary design creates a > harmonically balanced resonate frequency that > affects the water molecules structure" > > Proving, again, that science doesn't have all the answers... > > -- > Rich > LOL.. "It is composed of a combination of organic (epoxy) and non-organic non-magnetic metals (copper and others) placed in a matrix with various crystals (12) also known for their specific vibrational frequencies. " Which begs the question .... Are there any organic magnetic metals? or is this "organic" in the sense that pesticides _were_ used to grow the copper? |
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RichD wrote:
> > http://www.wineenhancer.net/wine-acc...pplies-how.asp > > "Our trade secret, proprietary design creates a > harmonically balanced resonate frequency that > affects the water molecules structure" > > Proving, again, that science doesn't have all the answers... http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/crap.htm -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2 |
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In article .com>,
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"RichD" > wrote in message oups.com... > http://www.wineenhancer.net/wine-acc...pplies-how.asp > > "Our trade secret, proprietary design creates a > harmonically balanced resonate frequency that > affects the water molecules structure" > > Proving, again, that science doesn't have all the answers... > > -- > Rich > It also proves that whoever wrote that web page has no idea about grammar, spelling or punctuation. Gareth. |
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> Hippie ****s like you have even fewer answers, and produce _zero_ working
> technology. LOL, that's a great come-back. It kills me when "believers" diss real science, but of course they have nothing of their own to show. |
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"Ethan Winer" wrote ...
>> Hippie ****s like you have even fewer answers, and produce _zero_ working >> technology. > > LOL, that's a great come-back. It kills me when "believers" diss real > science, but of course they have nothing of their own to show. On the other hand we have a rich history of "real science" that seemed just as valid in its time, but in retrospect is embarassing at best. And I wouldn't bet my life that 100% of everything we think of as "real science" today will stand the test of time and further research. |
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"Richard Crowley" > wrote in message ... > "Ethan Winer" wrote ... >>> Hippie ****s like you have even fewer answers, and produce _zero_ >>> working technology. >> >> LOL, that's a great come-back. It kills me when "believers" diss real >> science, but of course they have nothing of their own to show. > > On the other hand we have a rich history of "real science" > that seemed just as valid in its time, but in retrospect is > embarassing at best. And I wouldn't bet my life that 100% > of everything we think of as "real science" today will stand > the test of time and further research. > Agreed, and I think the biggest mistake made is to think that Science deals with "facts". It does not, it merely puts forward hypotheses that fit certain observations. A particularly good hypothesis (theory) will also predict certain outcomes that may later be observed to be as predicted. These theories are only designed to be "true" until an observation condtradicts it, or it is updated by a better version, they are absolutely NOT describing things that are actually true or are known facts. There are no known facts at all. (except perhaps in Mathematics, which precisely defines the facts it is proving) Gareth. |
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:05:54 +0100, "Gareth Magennis"
> wrote: > >"Richard Crowley" > wrote in message ... >> "Ethan Winer" wrote ... >>>> Hippie ****s like you have even fewer answers, and produce _zero_ >>>> working technology. >>> >>> LOL, that's a great come-back. It kills me when "believers" diss real >>> science, but of course they have nothing of their own to show. >> >> On the other hand we have a rich history of "real science" >> that seemed just as valid in its time, but in retrospect is >> embarassing at best. And I wouldn't bet my life that 100% >> of everything we think of as "real science" today will stand >> the test of time and further research. >> > > >Agreed, and I think the biggest mistake made is to think that Science deals >with "facts". It does not, it merely puts forward hypotheses that fit >certain observations. A particularly good hypothesis (theory) will also >predict certain outcomes that may later be observed to be as predicted. >These theories are only designed to be "true" until an observation >condtradicts it, or it is updated by a better version, they are absolutely >NOT describing things that are actually true or are known facts. There are >no known facts at all. (except perhaps in Mathematics, which precisely >defines the facts it is proving) > Even maths doesn't deal in facts. All proofs rest on axioms - which are pretty good assumptions about how the world works, but they are just assumptions. So a proof will really read "Such and such is proven, assuming that...". d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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On Jun 28, 3:51 am, RichD > wrote:
> http://www.wineenhancer.net/wine-acc...pplies-how.asp > > "Our trade secret, proprietary design creates a > harmonically balanced resonate frequency that > affects the water molecules structure" > > Proving, again, that science doesn't have all the answers... > > -- > Rich You're ****ed in the head. Get the hell out of here... |
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RichD wrote:
> http://www.wineexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxs-how.asp > > "Our trade secret, proprietary design creates a > harmonically balanced resonate frequency that > affects the water molecules structure" > > Proving, again, that science doesn't have all the answers... > > -- > Rich > Their trade secret describes a magnetron oven!!!??? |
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On Jun 28, "Ethan Winer" <ethanw at ethanwiner dot com> wrote:
> > Hippie ****s like you have even fewer answers, > >and produce _zero_ working technology. > > LOL, that's a great come-back. It kills me when "believers" > diss real science, but of course they have nothing of > their own to show. Dudes, it pains me to be the bearer of bad news, but you are thick witted *******s. No offense intended. -- Rich |
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:59:50 -0700, RichD >
wrote: >On Jun 28, "Ethan Winer" <ethanw at ethanwiner dot com> wrote: >> > Hippie ****s like you have even fewer answers, >> >and produce _zero_ working technology. >> >> LOL, that's a great come-back. It kills me when "believers" >> diss real science, but of course they have nothing of >> their own to show. > >Dudes, it pains me to be the bearer of bad news, >but you are thick witted *******s. > >No offense intended. Brilliant reasoning - I've never seen such an astute application of logic. Can you tell me how long it took you to work through it and arrive at this line of reasoning? Did you have help? Sorry, - you don't possess sufficient wit to cause offence to anybody. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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On 2007-06-28, CWatters > wrote:
> > "RichD" > wrote in message > oups.com... >> http://www.wineenhancer.net/wine-acc...pplies-how.asp >> >> "Our trade secret, proprietary design creates a >> harmonically balanced resonate frequency that >> affects the water molecules structure" >> >> Proving, again, that science doesn't have all the answers... >> > > "It is composed of a combination of organic (epoxy) and non-organic > non-magnetic metals (copper and others) placed in a matrix with various > crystals (12) also known for their specific vibrational frequencies. " sounds like a computer circuit, epoxy and copper PCB. abd quartz crystals known to oscillate at certain frequencies (frequencies that are typically printed on the case) only problem is I think the case is zinc plated steel, > Which begs the question .... Are there any organic magnetic metals? or is > this "organic" in the sense that pesticides _were_ used to grow the copper? :) copper is a funguicide... -- Bye. Jasen |
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"Don Pearce" > wrote in message ... > On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:05:54 +0100, "Gareth Magennis" > > wrote: > >> >>"Richard Crowley" > wrote in message ... >>> "Ethan Winer" wrote ... >>>>> Hippie ****s like you have even fewer answers, and produce _zero_ >>>>> working technology. >>>> >>>> LOL, that's a great come-back. It kills me when "believers" diss real >>>> science, but of course they have nothing of their own to show. >>> >>> On the other hand we have a rich history of "real science" >>> that seemed just as valid in its time, but in retrospect is >>> embarassing at best. And I wouldn't bet my life that 100% >>> of everything we think of as "real science" today will stand >>> the test of time and further research. >>> >> >> >>Agreed, and I think the biggest mistake made is to think that Science >>deals >>with "facts". It does not, it merely puts forward hypotheses that fit >>certain observations. A particularly good hypothesis (theory) will also >>predict certain outcomes that may later be observed to be as predicted. >>These theories are only designed to be "true" until an observation >>condtradicts it, or it is updated by a better version, they are absolutely >>NOT describing things that are actually true or are known facts. There >>are >>no known facts at all. (except perhaps in Mathematics, which precisely >>defines the facts it is proving) >> > > Even maths doesn't deal in facts. All proofs rest on axioms - which > are pretty good assumptions about how the world works, but they are > just assumptions. So a proof will really read "Such and such is > proven, assuming that...". > The bit about Maths I meant was that you can say that the statement "1 + 1 = 2" is true, it IS a fact because we have defined all the rules that make this a fact. You cannot, with the same certainty, say that this chair I am sitting on really exists, or exists in the way that I think it does. All science is based on assumptions of what we think reality is.. Any of these assumptions are subject to change or revision at some point, should they be shown to be incorrect. (For instance, Quantum Physics can now show the same particle to be in 2 different places at the same time). Our "knowledge" of the world is not knowledge, but Opinion. It's a good game though. Gareth. |
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Rich,
> Dudes, it pains me to be the bearer of bad news, > but you are thick witted *******s. This is typical. If you had something - anything! - of substance that supports your position you'd have stated it. But since you don't, all that's left is insults. I'll humor you for the moment. That page claims the product can improve the taste of wine basically via osmosis, right through the glass bottle without contacting the wine itself. To wit, "The resonance occurs right through the glass." I'd love to hear you explain how this can happen. Please be specific! Extra points if you can explain what "resonance" has to do with the process. --Ethan |
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I. Care wrote: > > I think the OP needs to buy some shakti stones to enhance his audio > system while he drinks his treated wine. Then he will feel physically > lighter with an empty wallet. You beat me to it! I was about to say that this sounds VERY much like the nonsense audiophiles spend thousands on to (allegedly) hear every last nuance out of their systems. They need to make these wine treaters in larger models so you can sit a speaker cabinet in it! I'm sure for a mere $20 grand a piece of so, I'd be able to hear things in my favorite recordings I never heard before! :-) But it's all a little advanced for a person an my level. I'm still trying to afford the special cables that have to always be installed one way and come in different models according to the type of music you play. |
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Benj wrote:
> < ...snip... > > > But it's all a little advanced for a person an my level. I'm still > trying to afford the special cables that have to always be installed > one way and come in different models according to the type of music > you play. Gee, I thought the really good cables could be retrained. ;-) Later... Ron Capik <<< cynic in training >>> -- |
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Don Bowey wrote: > On 6/29/07 1:44 AM, in article , "Gareth > Magennis" > wrote: > < .....snip.. > > > > > . Any of these > > assumptions are subject to change or revision at some point, should they be > > shown to be incorrect. (For instance, Quantum Physics can now show the same > > particle to be in 2 different places at the same time). > > QP can NOT show that. It can only show that at least one model, of the > many, of the String *theories* shows that. > ....or, they may just be in the same place in their own little oddly folded time space manifolds. ;-) Later... Ron Capik -- |
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:28:22 -0700, Benj wrote:
> I. Care wrote: >> >> I think the OP needs to buy some shakti stones to enhance his audio >> system while he drinks his treated wine. Then he will feel physically >> lighter with an empty wallet. > > You beat me to it! I was about to say that this sounds VERY much like > the nonsense audiophiles spend thousands on to (allegedly) hear every > last nuance out of their systems. > > They need to make these wine treaters in larger models so you can sit > a speaker cabinet in it! I'm sure for a mere $20 grand a piece of so, > I'd be able to hear things in my favorite recordings I never heard > before! :-) > > But it's all a little advanced for a person an my level. I'm still > trying to afford the special cables that have to always be installed > one way and come in different models according to the type of music > you play. Don't forget the $295 hand-turned rosewood volume control knob and the little stands that hold your speaker cables off the floor, so the signal won't leak out. No kidding. Feed "audiophoolery" to your favorite search engine for some laughs. |
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Don,
> Show a little sympathy. LOL, he started it with, "you are thick witted *******s." --Ethan |
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Stephen wrote on Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:00:17 -0500:
??>> I. Care wrote: ??>>> ??>>> I think the OP needs to buy some shakti stones to enhance ??>>> his audio system while he drinks his treated wine. Then ??>>> he will feel physically lighter with an empty wallet. ??>> ??>> But it's all a little advanced for a person an my level. ??>> I'm still trying to afford the special cables that have to ??>> always be installed one way and come in different models ??>> according to the type of music you play. Cables do leak if you believe Comcast. A little while ago, I came home to find some repairmen digging away in front of my house. They said that the FAA had detected signal leakage from their cable and they had to replace it! James Silverton Potomac, Maryland E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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> Cables do leak if you believe Comcast. A little while ago, I came home to find some repairmen digging away in front of my house. They said that the FAA had detected signal leakage from their cable and they had to replace it!
Yes, cables will leak RF if they are defective. RF is such a high frequency that capacitance becomes important. Speaker cables only carry audio. Jose -- You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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On Jun 29, "Ethan Winer" <ethanw at ethanwiner dot com> wrote:
> I'll humor you for the moment. That page > claims the product can improve the taste of > wine basically via osmosis, right through the glass > bottle without contacting the wine itself. oh then I guess light can't heat a bottle of liquid, right through the glass! > I'd love to hear you explain how this can happen. You scientists, such skeptics! Drink some grape, open your mind! > Extra points if you can explain what "resonance" has to > do with the process. waves resonate...light, sound... do you know what resonate means? -- Rich |
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"RichD" > wrote in message oups.com... > http://www.wineenhancer.net/wine-acc...pplies-how.asp > > "Our trade secret, proprietary design creates a > harmonically balanced resonate frequency that > affects the water molecules structure" > > Proving, again, that science doesn't have all the answers... Science answers utilitarian questions, not religious ones. |
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On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:26:44 +0000, Jose wrote:
>> Cables do leak if you believe Comcast. A little while ago, I came home to find some repairmen digging away in front of my house. They said that the FAA had detected signal leakage from their cable and they had to replace it! > > Yes, cables will leak RF if they are defective. RF is such a high > frequency that capacitance becomes important. Speaker cables only carry > audio. Even with broadband RF, I find it hard to believe that a *buried* coax cable could radiate enough to interfere with aircraft communications. I wonder if Comcast was looking for an illegal splitter? BTW, that-high performance volume control knob I mentioned earlier was beechwood, not rosewood, but the price was even higher than I remembered. The vendor actually claims that you can *hear* the difference between his lacquered beechwood knobs and the stock bakelite ones. These are the people who hear differences in an A-A test. That is, they claim to hear differences between two runs of the *same* setup with the same program. There is a physical basis for this effect. Any room (unless it's an anechoic chamber) will have resonances that produce a comb-filter effect. At high audio frequencies, moving your head a few inches can, indeed, make an audible difference. Ethan Winer measured this effect, and published the Bode plots. At some frequencies, a sharp peak in one location turns into a sharp dip at the same frequency half a foot away. This is probably the reason for the alleged audible effects of knobs, power cables (has any of these "high-end audio" enthusiasts considered the miles of plain old wire between his expensive 1-meter power cable and the generating plant?), and the color of the listener's shirt. |
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> Even with broadband RF, I find it hard to believe that a *buried* coax
> cable could radiate enough to interfere with aircraft communications. Was that their claim? I would find it hard to believe too. > I wonder if Comcast was looking for an illegal splitter? Perhaps. Or they were just trying to save juice. It costs money to leak signal into the dirt. Jose -- You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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> Was that their claim? I would find it hard to believe too.
>> They said that the FAA had detected signal leakage from their cable and they had to replace it! I bet he meant FCC. :) Jose -- You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Jose wrote on Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:52:30 GMT:
??>> Was that their claim? I would find it hard to believe ??>> too. ??>>> They said that the FAA had detected signal leakage from ??>>> their cable and they had to replace it! J> I bet he meant FCC. :) J> Jose Whatever! I later saw the crew working their way along the whole street using some sort of detector and doing a lot of digging and cable work not just at my house. I can't say that I found the explanation all that believable either but I did not notice any change in the TV signal :-) I've since gone to a fiber optics connection so I don't suppose I'll ever really know what they were up to. James Silverton Potomac, Maryland E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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Rich,
> oh then I guess light can't heat a bottle of liquid, > right through the glass! Okay, so you're saying this device heats the wine through the bottle? I suppose that's possible (though they don't claim that), but wouldn't heat then ruin the wine? >> I'd love to hear you explain how this can happen. > You scientists, such skeptics! > Drink some grape, open your mind! I'm still waiting for your explanation. Not a side story about heat, but a direct explanation of how this particular product works and what it does specifically to the wine's chemical composition. > waves resonate...light, sound... do you > know what resonate means? As an electronic engineer, musician, and acoustician, I most certainly do know what resonance is. But obviously it's just a buzz word to you. Here's a clue - waves don't resonate. :->) --Ethan |
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Ethan Winer wrote:
> As an electronic engineer, musician, and acoustician, I most certainly > do know what resonance is. But obviously it's just a buzz word to you. > Here's a clue - waves don't resonate. :->) Not to be too pedantic, Ethan, but -- given the wave-particle duality of QM -- how else to characterize a phenomenon such as NMR? Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:13:44 -0400, Mark Lipton >
wrote: >Ethan Winer wrote: > >> As an electronic engineer, musician, and acoustician, I most certainly >> do know what resonance is. But obviously it's just a buzz word to you. >> Here's a clue - waves don't resonate. :->) > >Not to be too pedantic, Ethan, but -- given the wave-particle duality of >QM -- how else to characterize a phenomenon such as NMR? > >Mark Lipton All those things we call subatomic particles or photons are in fact nothing more than mathematical descriptions of certain limited aspects of the behaviour of the universe at a small scale. The concept of what they "are" is entirely meaningless in any sort of terms we could try to understand. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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"Don Pearce" wrote ...
> All those things we call subatomic particles or photons are in fact > nothing more than mathematical descriptions of certain limited aspects > of the behaviour of the universe at a small scale. The concept of what > they "are" is entirely meaningless in any sort of terms we could try > to understand. So you are only a macro-visual existentialist? :-) |
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On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:49:45 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
> wrote: >"Don Pearce" wrote ... >> All those things we call subatomic particles or photons are in fact >> nothing more than mathematical descriptions of certain limited aspects >> of the behaviour of the universe at a small scale. The concept of what >> they "are" is entirely meaningless in any sort of terms we could try >> to understand. > >So you are only a macro-visual existentialist? :-) > That would be my limit. Anyone who thinks he can visualize the small stuff is fooling himself. :-) d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Don Pearce wrote:
> > All those things we call subatomic particles or photons are in fact > nothing more than mathematical descriptions of certain limited aspects > of the behaviour of the universe at a small scale. The concept of what > they "are" is entirely meaningless in any sort of terms we could try > to understand. Huh? QM is a mathematical description; photons are an example of a subatomic particle whose existence is clearly supported by such empirical phenomena as the photoelectric effect and diffraction. Or are you making an oblique reference to any of the various superstring theories, for which there is as yet not a shred of empirical support? Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:04:30 -0400, Mark Lipton >
wrote: >Don Pearce wrote: >> >> All those things we call subatomic particles or photons are in fact >> nothing more than mathematical descriptions of certain limited aspects >> of the behaviour of the universe at a small scale. The concept of what >> they "are" is entirely meaningless in any sort of terms we could try >> to understand. > >Huh? QM is a mathematical description; photons are an example of a >subatomic particle whose existence is clearly supported by such >empirical phenomena as the photoelectric effect and diffraction. Or are >you making an oblique reference to any of the various superstring >theories, for which there is as yet not a shred of empirical support? > >Mark Lipton You are witnessing macro effects - that is all you can witness. You can not make the leap from that to claiming there is a particle. The very word is a macro-dimensioned conceit, and has no meaning in the sub-atomic world. It is no more than a rather poor analogy in words we can understand. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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