"Glorfindel" > wrote in message ...
> pearl wrote:
>
> > "Glorfindel" > wrote in message ...
>
> >>I lived with a cockatiel who regularly masturbated on my hand.
> >>Poor little guy, he was never going to have another bird as a mate,
> >>he was quite old when I adopted him, and he was definitely oriented
> >>toward humans. Why should I make his last few years less pleasant
> >>for him by denying him this release, when it did him no harm, and it
> >>did me no harm?
>
> > Good grief, Glorfindel! The OBVIOUS and CORRECT thing to
> > do would have been to adopt a FEMALE cockatiel! *That* would
> > have been the *respectful* thing to do. Wrongly thinking that it was
> > just ok to enable the aberrant behaviour resulted in him missing out,
> > not only the opportunity to engage in their natural courtship, etc., but
> > every other facet of meaningful association with one of his own kind!
>
> I adopted him from a person who had more birds than she could
> take care of properly. He had lots of opportunity to find a
> female, but in the eight years or so he had lived with her,
> he had had zero success.

Because of the competition.

> She gave him to me because he was
> crippled and barely able to fly. The other birds beat
> up on him, so she couldn't let him out of the cage with the
> others. I started giving him physical therapy, letting him out
> most of the day as an "only bird" and he got much stronger and
> eventually was able to fly the full length of the house.

And probably strong enough to finally have a mate.

> It was either my hand, or Scented Nectar's piece of vegetation.
> I thought it was rather sweet, in fact. He certainly was a
> happier bird with me than with the other 'tiels.

Neither extreme was the optimum, imho.

> OTOH, I once adopted a 'tiel who hated humans. She bit any
> hand or other part of a human body which came near her. We
> tried all the suggestions of the local bird behaviorist, but
> she just was having none of it. After a year of trying, we
> gave her to a person who had a breeding colony of 'tiels where
> she didn't have to be friendly with humans at all, and *she*
> was a happier bird there. She was not wild-caught, either, so
> she just didn't like people. It wasn't just us,either. She
> bit the bird behaviorist too.

She wanted the company of other birds too.

> So birds are just as individual as humans.

Of course they are.. but they're still birds.

pearl wrote:

> "Glorfindel" wrote:

I'm going to explain at a little more length for you, Pearl, because I
respect you and I value your opinion.

We thought about getting a mate for the crippled cockatiel after he
got stronger, and it might have been a good idea, but we decided against
it for several reasons. He was 16 years old, and it would have
been difficult to find a bird he was compatible with. He was more
afraid of other birds than interested in them, and was focused on
humans. We talked it over with our bird vet, who was the president
of the national association of avian vet specialists, an expert,
and he said he didn't think our bird needed another bird as a
companion. We deferred to his opinion. We only had the bird with us
for three years after he recovered, and I think we made his last
years as happy as was possible for him, after all his troubles earlier
in his life. If he wanted to use my hand as a sex toy, I wasn't going
to forbid him.


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"Glorfindel" > wrote in message ...
> pearl wrote:
>
> > "Glorfindel" wrote:
>
> I'm going to explain at a little more length for you, Pearl, because I
> respect you and I value your opinion.

Thank you. I likewise respect you and value your opinion.

> We thought about getting a mate for the crippled cockatiel after he
> got stronger, and it might have been a good idea, but we decided against
> it for several reasons. He was 16 years old, and it would have
> been difficult to find a bird he was compatible with. He was more
> afraid of other birds than interested in them, and was focused on
> humans. We talked it over with our bird vet, who was the president
> of the national association of avian vet specialists, an expert,
> and he said he didn't think our bird needed another bird as a
> companion. We deferred to his opinion. We only had the bird with us
> for three years after he recovered, and I think we made his last
> years as happy as was possible for him, after all his troubles earlier
> in his life. If he wanted to use my hand as a sex toy, I wasn't going
> to forbid him.

Well, at least the expert is partly to blame. Always question 'experts'.

pearl wrote:

<...>
> Always question 'experts'.

Especially reflexologists, herbalists, naturopaths, etc.

chico chupacabra wrote:
> pearl wrote:
>
> <...>
>
>>Always question 'experts'.
>
>
> Especially reflexologists, herbalists, naturopaths, etc.

Because they have no expertise at all but pretend to have.

"chico chupacabra" > wrote in message ...
> pearl wrote:
>
> <...>
> > Always question 'experts'.
>
> Especially reflexologists, herbalists, naturopaths, etc.

You're an 'expert' on it all, I suppose. LOL!

pearl wrote:

> > <...>
> > > Always question 'experts'.
> >
> > Especially reflexologists, herbalists, naturopaths, etc.
>
> You're an 'expert' on it all, I suppose. LOL!

At least I know that it's a load of bullshit and not worth basing my life or livelihood on it.

"chico chupacabra" > wrote in message ...
> pearl wrote:
>
> > > <...>
> > > > Always question 'experts'.
> > >
> > > Especially reflexologists, herbalists, naturopaths, etc.
> >
> > You're an 'expert' on it all, I suppose. LOL!
>
> At least I know how to eat shit.

And spew it back out again, you irresponsible freak.

Karen Winter, who openly admits she gave a hand job to a cockatiel, wrote:

> I'm going to explain at a little more length for you, Pearl, because I
> respect you and I value your opinion.

You neither respect her nor value her opinion.

> We thought about getting a mate for the crippled cockatiel after he
> got stronger, and it might have been a good idea, but we decided against
> it for several reasons.

1. You enjoyed letting him have sex with your hand.

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> If he wanted to use my hand as a sex toy, I wasn't going
> to forbid him.

Of course you wouldn't, you're a real sicko.