"Phil Odox" > wrote in message
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> rick wrote:
>> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>usual suspect wrote:
>>>
>>>>Phil Odox wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Savory made from nuts
>>>>>>>>>>Breadcrumbs wheat and rye.
>>>>>>>>>>Tastes as good, nutritious too
>>>>>>>>>>And nothing has to die!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That is a correct statement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Guess again, you prancing poof. Plenty of animals DO die
>>>>>>>>>as a result of the farming, transportation, and storage
>>>>>>>>>practices associated with grains. Many of the deaths are
>>>>>>>>>intentional (i.e., pesticides). Others aren't
>>>>>>>>>intentional (e.g., flooding during irrigation, burning
>>>>>>>>>fields, predation when croplands are harvested, slicing
>>>>>>>>>and dicing during planting and harvest, etc.).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That maybe so, but the it doesn't take anything away from
>>>>>>>>nemo's correct statement; nothing *has* to die to provide
>>>>>>>>vegetarians with food.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>well, you mean nothing with a face has to die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Has to die" is meaningless sophistry when you know damn
>>>>>>well that animals DO die in the normal course of
>>>>>>commercial-scale agriculture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They might,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They do die in the NORMAL course of commercial-scale
>>>>agriculture.
>>>
>>>That may be so, occasionally, but are you honest enough to
>>>say that they don't have to? So far you've shown that you
>>>aren't.
>>
>> =============================
>> Not as long as you refuse to admit facts, killer.
>
> Then it's certain you're aware of the fact but won't give in to
> it unless I agree with something you say first. That's
> hilarious.
> Why are you so ashamed of your diet on meat, Rick?
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LOL It is you that is unwilling to admit your bloody footprints,
killer. I have always admited that I kill. Why do you continue
to delude yourself, hypocrite? Afterall, here you are posting
your ignorance on usenet, uneccessarily killing animals for no
more reason than your entertainment.


>
>> "Occasionlly"
>
> Rather than *all the time*, as you seem to be insisting, yes.
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Yes, ALL the time, fool. Routinely, systematically, and
deliberately.


>
>> What a hoot!!! How many millions of pounds of pesticides are
>> used on farms, storage areas, and processors every year
>
> I've grown veg without the use of any pesticides at all for
> years.
> It can be grown without it. Animals don't have to die in order
> to
> provide vegetarians with food.
===========================
Not and provide you with anywhere near the amount you need to
live. Your fantacy doesn't equate to reality...


>
>>
>> What are you afraid of?
>> =========================
>> Nothing you have to offer, fool.
>>
> That's false. Your shame has made you incapable of being honest
> concerning vegetarian diets, so much so that you can't even
> bring
> yourself to admit basic truths about it.
===========
No it has not. Your dogmatic brainwashing has made you unaware
of the reality of veg*n diets.




http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm
http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm
http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf
http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html
http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm
http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm
http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html
http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html
http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html
http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135
http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf
http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html
http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm
http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm
http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml
http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c
http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html
http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm
http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm
http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml
http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5
http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html

http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf
http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm
http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm
http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html
http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm
http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf




Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either,
here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton.
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm

To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field,
here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there
can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field.
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs
/natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8
http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf
http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html


To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and
maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple
dealing with power and communications.
http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html