On 3/6/2012 6:07 AM, Glen wrote:
> On 06/03/2012 13:54, Rupert wrote:
>> On Mar 6, 1:55 pm, > wrote:
>>> On 06/03/2012 08:57, Rupert wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 6, 5:08 am, George > wrote:
>>>>> Woopert, "glen" here is a "vegan" who claims his diet doesn't kill
>>>>> *any*
>>>>> animals. What do you have to say to him, Woopert?
>>>
>>>> He is incorrect.
>>>
>>> I have never denied that animals die during crop production. What I
>>> deny is George's baseless claim that all the food I eat is
>>> /contaminated/
>>> with it.
>>
>> Well, suffering and death have to take place to produce your food, as
>> long as you acknowledge that that's fine.
>
> It may be the case that some animals die but I don't believe
> they /have/ to die.

They *do* die, and you're doing nothing to prevent it. You just keep
trying to cling to the fiction that because you're not the hands-on
killer, you don't have any moral responsibility for the deaths. That
position is false - you *do* have moral responsibility.


> I live on a farm and since my father's stroke
> about two years ago my sister and her husband keep a relatively
> small part of it going without killing animals

Bullshit. They kill animals.


> to produce vegetables and fruits all year round.

*NOT* enough for all of you to live on year round. It isn't even the
majority of what you eat.

Your moral pedestal is destroyed. You don't cause zero deaths, you
don't cause the lowest possible number of deaths, and you don't cause
fewer than *all* omnivores. You have nothing left.

On Mar 6, 9:42*am, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 3/6/2012 6:07 AM, Glen wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 06/03/2012 13:54, Rupert wrote:
> >> On Mar 6, 1:55 pm, > wrote:
> >>> On 06/03/2012 08:57, Rupert wrote:
>
> >>>> On Mar 6, 5:08 am, George > wrote:
> >>>>> Woopert, "glen" here is a "vegan" who claims his diet doesn't kill
> >>>>> *any*
> >>>>> animals. What do you have to say to him, Woopert?
>
> >>>> He is incorrect.
>
> >>> I have never denied that animals die during crop production. What I
> >>> deny is George's baseless claim that all the food I eat is
> >>> /contaminated/
> >>> with it.
>
> >> Well, suffering and death have to take place to produce your food, as
> >> long as you acknowledge that that's fine.
>
> > It may be the case that some animals die but I don't believe
> > they /have/ to die.
>
> They *do* die, and you're doing nothing to prevent it. *You just keep
> trying to cling to the fiction that because you're not the hands-on
> killer, you don't have any moral responsibility for the deaths. *That
> position is false - you *do* have moral responsibility.
>
> > I live on a farm and since my father's stroke
> > about two years ago my sister and her husband keep a relatively
> > small part of it going without killing animals
>
> Bullshit. *They kill animals.
>
> > to produce vegetables and fruits all year round.
>
> *NOT* enough for all of you to live on year round. *It isn't even the
> majority of what you eat.
>
> Your moral pedestal is destroyed. *You don't cause zero deaths, you
> don't cause the lowest possible number of deaths, and you don't cause
> fewer than *all* omnivores. *You have nothing left.


Goo, I have been asking for several years for photographic proof of
the collateral deaths that you allege. When can I expect you to supply
it?