In article >,
says...
|:|The point is that having or not a plant based diet is not the central
|:|factor in india having the highest rate. The plant based diet does not
|:|help and animal products is not the reason.
|:|

there's also the glycemic index you need to look at. fruits such as papaya, mango,
pineapple, etc. are just as bad as straight sugar. fruit juices are especially bad, but
if you blend the whole fruit, pulp and all, then you minimize the damage. cheese in
general is considered bad, but I still like a quesadilla now and then.

> there's also the glycemic index you need to look at. fruits such as papaya, mango,
> pineapple, etc. are just as bad as straight sugar ...

If a person ate nothing but papaya, mango and pineapple (and maybe
some B12), how long would it take an average non-diabetic to become
one? I am worried because I have been eating primarily cantaloupes and
bananas for the past two months and according to fitday, averaging 88%
carbs, 7% protein and 5% fat (1% PUFA).

In article >, jaym1212
@hotmail.com says...
|:|
|:|> there's also the glycemic index you need to look at. fruits such as papaya, mango,
|:|> pineapple, etc. are just as bad as straight sugar ...
|:|
|:|If a person ate nothing but papaya, mango and pineapple (and maybe
|:|some B12), how long would it take an average non-diabetic to become
|:|one? I am worried because I have been eating primarily cantaloupes and
|:|bananas for the past two months and according to fitday, averaging 88%
|:|carbs, 7% protein and 5% fat (1% PUFA).

geoff bond from naturaleater.com has this 'savanna' model with 6 different levels, the
top level is green-green which is perfect, then comes green, which is in close
conformity, then green-amber, comfort zone or within the margin of tolerance of a healthy
person for daily consupmtion, then amber, slight lapse but tolerable regularly if rest of
diet is good, then amber-red, modest lapse and tolerable on occasion if rest of diet
good, then finally red, bad lapse, completely avoid. this is all in the book 'deadly
harvest'. that one you need to purchase.

for bananas he says: ``The degree of maturity can make a difference. Fruits, notably
bananas, have higher G.I.?s the riper they are.'' this is coming from:
http://www.naturaleater.com/natural-...appendix-1.htm

table 2 you can see lists them as foods to be eaten in controlled quantities, the
quantity being 1 banana, or 1 slice of melon. tables 3 4 and 5 are the G.I. tables, and
banana is listed in the borderline table (table 4) with an index of 45 if green, and
melon in the bad table (table 3), with an index of 70, but another difference is that the
melon is low density and the banana medium, so they sort of cancel out, banana is less
glycemic but more dense, the other high glycemic but low density.

this is the link to the whole book that's available online for free:
http://www.naturaleater.com/Natural-...-Web-Index.htm

this is another guide that can be downloaded:
http://www.naturaleater.com/guide/guide.htm

not sure if it's the same as the natural eating book, or something else. i haven't looked
at that one yet.

In article >,
says...
|:|geoff bond from naturaleater.com has this 'savanna' model with 6 different levels, the
|:|top level is green-green which is perfect, then comes green, which is in close
|:|conformity, then green-amber, comfort zone or within the margin of tolerance of a healthy
|:|person for daily consupmtion, then amber, slight lapse but tolerable regularly if rest of
|:|diet is good, then amber-red, modest lapse and tolerable on occasion if rest of diet
|:|good, then finally red, bad lapse, completely avoid. this is all in the book 'deadly
|:|harvest'. that one you need to purchase.
|:|

forgot to mention that bananas were in the green-amber zone and canteloupes in the amber
one. so bananas are slightly better for you if they're green-tipped, not overripe. dried
dates, dried figs and rasins are examples of amber-red. grapefruit, nectarine and all
sorts of berries are green. there are no items in green-green or red zones for fruits.

> guide that can be downloaded http://www.naturaleater.com/guide/guide.htm

Thanks, I read his guide. I think it is very good.

On Nov 18, 8:43*pm, jay > wrote:
> > guide that can be downloadedhttp://www.naturaleater.com/guide/guide.htm
>
> Thanks, I read his guide. I think it is very good.


Note that author could lose some weight, IMO.
He is too big a fan of canola oil and fructose.
And he is fat phobic.

fat the the secret to effective weight lose............Trig

> > > guide that can be downloadedhttp://www.naturaleater.com/guide/guide.htm
> > Thanks, I read his guide. I think it is very good.
>
> Note that author could lose some weight, IMO.

He looks OK judging by the picture on the homepage.
Which picture are you seeing?

> He is too big a fan of canola oil and fructose.

Do you mean refined fructose or fructose as part of fruits?
He does seem to prefer MUFA/n3 (canola/olive/flax/walnut/fish) over
PUFA/SFAs (sunflower/corn/peanut/butter/animal fats and even coconut
oil).

> And he is fat phobic....fat the the secret to effective weight loss

Apparently so.
He only recommends small quantities of even the "preferred" oils.

In article >, jaym1212
@hotmail.com says...
|:|
|:|> guide that can be downloaded http://www.naturaleater.com/guide/guide.htm
|:|
|:|Thanks, I read his guide. I think it is very good.

you're welcome. just as an aside, buddhists seem to pay a lot of attention to eating
right. i'm wondering if maybe hinduism doesn't delve into that as much? so there are more
problems in hindu populations in controlling unhealthful eating? just a thought...

On Nov 18, 9:33*am, Dennes De Mennes > wrote:
> In article >, jaym1212
> @hotmail.com says...
> |:|
> |:|> there's also the glycemic index you need to look at. fruits such as papaya, mango,
> |:|> pineapple, etc. are just as bad as straight sugar ...
> |:|
> |:|If a person ate nothing but papaya, mango and pineapple (and maybe
> |:|some B12), how long would it take an average non-diabetic to become
> |:|one? I am worried because I have been eating primarily cantaloupes and
> |:|bananas for the past two months and according to fitday, averaging 88%
> |:|carbs, 7% protein and 5% fat (1% PUFA).
>
> geoff bond from naturaleater.com has this 'savanna' model with 6 different levels, the
> top level is green-green which is perfect, then comes green, which is in close
> conformity, then green-amber, comfort zone or within the margin of tolerance of a healthy
> person for daily consupmtion, then amber, slight lapse but tolerable regularly if rest of
> diet is good, then amber-red, modest lapse and tolerable on occasion if rest of diet
> good, then finally red, bad lapse, completely avoid. this is all in the book 'deadly
> harvest'. that one you need to purchase.
>
> for bananas he says: ``The degree of maturity can make a difference. Fruits, notably
> bananas, have higher G.I.?s the riper they are.'' this is coming from:http://www.naturaleater.com/natural-...ating-appendix...
>
> table 2 you can see lists them as foods to be eaten in controlled quantities, the
> quantity being 1 banana, or 1 slice of melon. tables 3 4 and 5 are the G.I. tables, and
> banana is listed in the borderline table (table 4) with an index of 45 if green, and
> melon in the bad table (table 3), with an index of 70, but another difference is that the
> melon is low density and the banana medium, so they sort of cancel out, banana is less
> glycemic but more dense, the other high glycemic but low density.
>
> this is the link to the whole book that's available online for free:http://www.naturaleater.com/Natural-...-Web-Index.htm
>
> this is another guide that can be downloaded:http://www.naturaleater.com/guide/guide.htm
>
> not sure if it's the same as the natural eating book, or something else. i haven't looked
> at that one yet.

I have reservations on numerous things on the linked pages.
To start with a lot restrictions on fructose and fructose containing
fruits. Still interesting. Just remember this is a room full of folks
with either full DM or prediabetes depending on the
diagnositic thresholds chosen.

In article >,
says...
|:|
|:|On Nov 18, 9:33*am, Dennes De Mennes > wrote:
|:|> In article >, jaym1212
|:|> @hotmail.com says...
|:|> |:|
|:|> |:|> there's also the glycemic index you need to look at. fruits such as papaya, mango,
|:|> |:|> pineapple, etc. are just as bad as straight sugar ...
|:|> |:|
|:|> |:|If a person ate nothing but papaya, mango and pineapple (and maybe
|:|> |:|some B12), how long would it take an average non-diabetic to become
|:|> |:|one? I am worried because I have been eating primarily cantaloupes and
|:|> |:|bananas for the past two months and according to fitday, averaging 88%
|:|> |:|carbs, 7% protein and 5% fat (1% PUFA).
|:|>
|:|> geoff bond from naturaleater.com has this 'savanna' model with 6 different levels, the
|:|> top level is green-green which is perfect, then comes green, which is in close
|:|> conformity, then green-amber, comfort zone or within the margin of tolerance of a healthy
|:|> person for daily consupmtion, then amber, slight lapse but tolerable regularly if rest of
|:|> diet is good, then amber-red, modest lapse and tolerable on occasion if rest of diet
|:|> good, then finally red, bad lapse, completely avoid. this is all in the book 'deadly
|:|> harvest'. that one you need to purchase.
|:|>
|:|> for bananas he says: ``The degree of maturity can make a difference. Fruits, notably
|:|> bananas, have higher G.I.?s the riper they are.'' this is coming from:http://www.naturaleater.com/natural-...ating-appendix...
|:|>
|:|> table 2 you can see lists them as foods to be eaten in controlled quantities, the
|:|> quantity being 1 banana, or 1 slice of melon. tables 3 4 and 5 are the G.I. tables, and
|:|> banana is listed in the borderline table (table 4) with an index of 45 if green, and
|:|> melon in the bad table (table 3), with an index of 70, but another difference is that the
|:|> melon is low density and the banana medium, so they sort of cancel out, banana is less
|:|> glycemic but more dense, the other high glycemic but low density.
|:|>
|:|> this is the link to the whole book that's available online for free:http://www.naturaleater.com/Natural-...-Web-Index.htm
|:|>
|:|> this is another guide that can be downloaded:http://www.naturaleater.com/guide/guide.htm
|:|>
|:|> not sure if it's the same as the natural eating book, or something else. i haven't looked
|:|> at that one yet.
|:|
|:|I have reservations on numerous things on the linked pages.
|:|To start with a lot restrictions on fructose and fructose containing
|:|fruits. Still interesting. Just remember this is a room full of folks
|:|with either full DM or prediabetes depending on the
|:|diagnositic thresholds chosen.

yeah--consider it just one more source of health information but not the definitive one,
this guy even opposes all grains and all legumes, not to mention all dairy...

but he's convincing on the proposition that meat is not as poisonous as it's been made
out to be by most vegetarians. it just has to be wild game, not farmed.