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Meat-based diet made us smarter
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:35:20 +0200 (CEST), Dave U. Random
> wrote: >(NPR) - Our earliest ancestors ate their food raw — fruit, leaves, >maybe some nuts. When they ventured down onto land, they added >things like underground tubers, roots and berries. > >It wasn't a very high-calorie diet, so to get the energy you >needed, you had to eat a lot and have a big gut to digest it all. >But having a big gut has its drawbacks. > >"You can't have a large brain and big guts at the same time," >explains Leslie Aiello, an anthropologist and director of the >Wenner-Gren Foundation in New York City, which funds research on >evolution. Digestion, she says, was the energy-hog of our primate >ancestor's body. The brain was the poor stepsister who got the >leftovers. > >Until, that is, we discovered meat... > >Continued: http://sn.im/EatMeat It also allowed humans to move into areas where there was not enough good vegetation to support humans, and to cross seas and oceans, etc... Hunting also taught humans to act as a group, and probably was the reason humans learned to develop language. |
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On Aug 10, 4:07*am, dh@. wrote:
> On Mon, *9 Aug 2010 17:35:20 +0200 (CEST), Dave U. Random > > > > > wrote: > >(NPR) - Our earliest ancestors ate their food raw — fruit, leaves, > >maybe some nuts. When they ventured down onto land, they added > >things like underground tubers, roots and berries. > > >It wasn't a very high-calorie diet, so to get the energy you > >needed, you had to eat a lot and have a big gut to digest it all. > >But having a big gut has its drawbacks. > > >"You can't have a large brain and big guts at the same time," > >explains Leslie Aiello, an anthropologist and director of the > >Wenner-Gren Foundation in New York City, which funds research on > >evolution. Digestion, she says, was the energy-hog of our primate > >ancestor's body. The brain was the poor stepsister who got the > >leftovers. Lol.. can't have a large brain and big guts at the same time? Sounds very scientific. Somebody should tell her what order homo sapiens sapiens belong to. > > >Until, that is, we discovered meat... > > >Continued:http://sn.im/EatMeat > > * * It also allowed humans to move into areas where there was not > enough good vegetation to support humans, and to cross seas and > oceans, etc... Very good point. > Hunting also taught humans to act as a group, and > probably was the reason humans learned to develop language. Debatable. Evidence from songbirds would say otherwise.. language development has many facets. |
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On Aug 16, 12:00*am, funkenstein > wrote:
> On Aug 10, 4:07*am, dh@. wrote: > > > > > On Mon, *9 Aug 2010 17:35:20 +0200 (CEST), Dave U. Random > > > > wrote: > > >(NPR) - Our earliest ancestors ate their food raw — fruit, leaves, > > >maybe some nuts. When they ventured down onto land, they added > > >things like underground tubers, roots and berries. > > > >It wasn't a very high-calorie diet, so to get the energy you > > >needed, you had to eat a lot and have a big gut to digest it all. > > >But having a big gut has its drawbacks. > > > >"You can't have a large brain and big guts at the same time," > > >explains Leslie Aiello, an anthropologist and director of the > > >Wenner-Gren Foundation in New York City, which funds research on > > >evolution. Digestion, she says, was the energy-hog of our primate > > >ancestor's body. The brain was the poor stepsister who got the > > >leftovers. > > Lol.. *can't have a large brain and big guts at the same time? *Sounds > very scientific. *Somebody should tell her what order homo sapiens > sapiens belong to. Someone should tell *you* that between order and species, there are FOUR additional taxonomic classifications. We are far removed from other primates. Which other primates, specifically, do you think have large brains along with big guts? > > > >Until, that is, we discovered meat... > > > >Continued:http://sn.im/EatMeat > > > * * It also allowed humans to move into areas where there was not > > enough good vegetation to support humans, and to cross seas and > > oceans, etc... > > Very good point. > > > Hunting also taught humans to act as a group, and > > probably was the reason humans learned to develop language. > > Debatable. *Evidence from songbirds would say otherwise.. language > development has many facets. Songbirds do not use language. Songbirds advertise sexual signals; nothing more. Bees and ants probably engage in something closer to language than songbirds do. Bees and ants communicate fairly precise information about the location of food and threats. |
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On Aug 10, 12:07*pm, dh@. wrote:
> > Hunting also taught humans to act as a group Humans taught hunting, hunting didn't teach humans. u have it all backwards. Humans ADOPTED hunting and CREATED tools. Humans didn't ADAPT to hunting and tools didn't create humans. Humans still get sick consuming meat. Chris |
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On Aug 17, 2:47*pm, Richard Leakey IV > wrote:
> > between order and species, there are > FOUR additional taxonomic classifications. *We are far removed from > other primates. What far out reason do u believe humans are carnivores? ALL hominoidea digest fruit best with opposing digestive processes to meat consumption and fruit reverses meat diseases. Chris |
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On Aug 17, 6:47*am, Richard Leakey IV > wrote:
> On Aug 16, 12:00*am, funkenstein > wrote: > > > > > On Aug 10, 4:07*am, dh@. wrote: > > > > On Mon, *9 Aug 2010 17:35:20 +0200 (CEST), Dave U. Random > > > > > wrote: > > > >(NPR) - Our earliest ancestors ate their food raw — fruit, leaves, > > > >maybe some nuts. When they ventured down onto land, they added > > > >things like underground tubers, roots and berries. > > > > >It wasn't a very high-calorie diet, so to get the energy you > > > >needed, you had to eat a lot and have a big gut to digest it all. > > > >But having a big gut has its drawbacks. > > > > >"You can't have a large brain and big guts at the same time," > > > >explains Leslie Aiello, an anthropologist and director of the > > > >Wenner-Gren Foundation in New York City, which funds research on > > > >evolution. Digestion, she says, was the energy-hog of our primate > > > >ancestor's body. The brain was the poor stepsister who got the > > > >leftovers. > > > Lol.. *can't have a large brain and big guts at the same time? *Sounds > > very scientific. *Somebody should tell her what order homo sapiens > > sapiens belong to. > > Someone should tell *you* that between order and species, there are > FOUR additional taxonomic classifications. *We are far removed from > other primates. > Well thanks for telling me What are the other two besides family and genus? Does that mean I'm far removed from the other primates who I share the office with? > Which other primates, specifically, do you think have large brains > along with big guts? > I had one professor, who I won't mention by name, who fits that description. > > > > > >Until, that is, we discovered meat... > > > > >Continued:http://sn.im/EatMeat > > > > * * It also allowed humans to move into areas where there was not > > > enough good vegetation to support humans, and to cross seas and > > > oceans, etc... > > > Very good point. > > > > Hunting also taught humans to act as a group, and > > > probably was the reason humans learned to develop language. > > > Debatable. *Evidence from songbirds would say otherwise.. language > > development has many facets. > > Songbirds do not use language. *Songbirds advertise sexual signals; > nothing more. *Bees and ants probably engage in something closer to > language than songbirds do. *Bees and ants communicate fairly precise > information about the location of food and threats. Good point, thank you. Bird songs do develop and are passed on to next generations as language is but there is a difference you say. I would have made my point better with bees and ants as you suggest. Cheers - |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 00:00:45 -0700 (PDT), funkenstein
> wrote: >On Aug 10, 4:07*am, dh@. wrote: >> On Mon, *9 Aug 2010 17:35:20 +0200 (CEST), Dave U. Random >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >(NPR) - Our earliest ancestors ate their food raw — fruit, leaves, >> >maybe some nuts. When they ventured down onto land, they added >> >things like underground tubers, roots and berries. >> >> >It wasn't a very high-calorie diet, so to get the energy you >> >needed, you had to eat a lot and have a big gut to digest it all. >> >But having a big gut has its drawbacks. >> >> >"You can't have a large brain and big guts at the same time," >> >explains Leslie Aiello, an anthropologist and director of the >> >Wenner-Gren Foundation in New York City, which funds research on >> >evolution. Digestion, she says, was the energy-hog of our primate >> >ancestor's body. The brain was the poor stepsister who got the >> >leftovers. > >Lol.. can't have a large brain and big guts at the same time? Sounds >very scientific. Somebody should tell her what order homo sapiens >sapiens belong to. > > >> >> >Until, that is, we discovered meat... >> >> >Continued:http://sn.im/EatMeat >> >> * * It also allowed humans to move into areas where there was not >> enough good vegetation to support humans, and to cross seas and >> oceans, etc... > >Very good point. > >> Hunting also taught humans to act as a group, and >> probably was the reason humans learned to develop language. > >Debatable. Evidence from songbirds would say otherwise.. language >development has many facets. I don't believe any other species are known to naturally have even a basic two word sentence. That suprised me. I thought whales and dolphins had at least simple basic discussions, but I guess they don't even have that. Lots of animals make signals that mean one thing, but not "sentences" that convey a number of ideas making them capable of actual language. |
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