Ray Bradbury is trying to get lard ass propagandist Michael Moore to change the
title of his latest release because it infringes on Bradbury's novel Fahrenheit
451. Note that Bradbury is willing to settle for an apology and the film's name
change, but that litigation remains a possibility if Moore persists.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040619/D83A0PJ00.html

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> Ray Bradbury is trying to get lard ass propagandist Michael Moore to
change the
> title of his latest release because it infringes on Bradbury's novel
Fahrenheit
> 451. Note that Bradbury is willing to settle for an apology and the film's
name
> change, but that litigation remains a possibility if Moore persists.
>
> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040619/D83A0PJ00.html

Who cares? This is a vegan newsgroup. Please try to stay at least remotely
on topic when posting.

See James Strut wrote:
>>Ray Bradbury is trying to get lard ass propagandist Michael Moore to
> change the
>>title of his latest release because it infringes on Bradbury's novel
> Fahrenheit
>>451. Note that Bradbury is willing to settle for an apology and the film's
> name
>>change, but that litigation remains a possibility if Moore persists.
>>
>>http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040619/D83A0PJ00.html
>
> Who cares?

Apparently you don't. Do you copy CDs and DVDs and distribute MP3s?

> This is a vegan newsgroup. Please try to stay at least remotely
> on topic when posting.

It's on topic as it relates to copyright infringement, which occurs with
alarming frequency in this newsgroup and is a violation of most nearly every
AUP. What you see as trivial -- spreading the copyrighted materials of others
without permission -- is patently offensive to authors like Ray Bradbury and
artists like Metallica because you steal and/or diminish the value of their
copyrighted works. There is no difference between stealing from them and
stealing from cookbook authors like Lindsay does.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> See James Strut wrote:
> >>Ray Bradbury is trying to get lard ass propagandist Michael Moore
to
> > change the
> >>title of his latest release because it infringes on Bradbury's
novel
> > Fahrenheit
> >>451. Note that Bradbury is willing to settle for an apology and
the film's
> > name
> >>change, but that litigation remains a possibility if Moore
persists.
> >>
> >>http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040619/D83A0PJ00.html
> >
> > Who cares?
>
> Apparently you don't. Do you copy CDs and DVDs and distribute MP3s?

Nope, never have. But I have used copied software on occasion.

> > This is a vegan newsgroup. Please try to stay at least remotely
> > on topic when posting.
>
> It's on topic as it relates to copyright infringement, which occurs
with
> alarming frequency in this newsgroup and is a violation of most
nearly every
> AUP. What you see as trivial -- spreading the copyrighted materials
of others
> without permission -- is patently offensive to authors like Ray
Bradbury and
> artists like Metallica because you steal and/or diminish the value
of their
> copyrighted works. There is no difference between stealing from them
and
> stealing from cookbook authors like Lindsay does.

I agree that copyright infringement of cookbooks is sort of on topic
for this newsgroup. But you started a thread about a movie that's
totally unrelated to vegan issues. Additionally, you imposed your
political bent by referring to Michael Moore as "lard ass
propagandist". I, for one, don't care.

C. James Putz wrote:
<...>
>>>Who cares?
>>
>>Apparently you don't. Do you copy CDs and DVDs and distribute MP3s?
>
> Nope, never have. But I have used copied software on occasion.

Thief.

>>>This is a vegan newsgroup. Please try to stay at least remotely
>>>on topic when posting.
>>
>>It's on topic as it relates to copyright infringement, which occurs
> with
>>alarming frequency in this newsgroup and is a violation of most
> nearly every
>>AUP. What you see as trivial -- spreading the copyrighted materials
> of others
>>without permission -- is patently offensive to authors like Ray
> Bradbury and
>>artists like Metallica because you steal and/or diminish the value
> of their
>>copyrighted works. There is no difference between stealing from them
> and
>>stealing from cookbook authors like Lindsay does.
>
> I agree that copyright infringement of cookbooks is sort of on topic
> for this newsgroup.

Good. I'm glad you finally agree, despite your protestations.

> But you started a thread about a movie that's
> totally unrelated to vegan issues.

No, look again at the subject. It's still about copyrights.

> Additionally, you imposed your
> political bent

I didn't impose anything. I merely revealed my contempt for fat slobs who
document their lies and call it "art."

> by referring to Michael Moore as "lard ass
> propagandist".

All three words apply to him.

> I, for one, don't care.

Thanks for caring enough to let me know, Jimbo.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> C. James Strutz wrote:

> > But you started a thread about a movie that's
> > totally unrelated to vegan issues.
>
> No, look again at the subject. It's still about copyrights.

I did look at the subject. It still has nothing to do with vegan
issues.

> > Additionally, you imposed your
> > political bent
>
> I didn't impose anything. I merely revealed my contempt for fat
slobs who
> document their lies and call it "art."

What exactly did he lie about in the movie? Have you seen it?

> > by referring to Michael Moore as "lard ass
> > propagandist".
>
> All three words apply to him.

One could say the same about Rush Limbaugh. You are inconsistent and
biased.

> > I, for one, don't care.
>
> Thanks for caring enough to let me know, Jimbo.

No problem, Bozo.

C. James Strutz > wrote in message
...
>
> "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ray Bradbury is trying to get lard ass propagandist Michael Moore to
> change the
> > title of his latest release because it infringes on Bradbury's novel
> Fahrenheit
> > 451. Note that Bradbury is willing to settle for an apology and the
film's
> name
> > change, but that litigation remains a possibility if Moore persists.
> >
> > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040619/D83A0PJ00.html
>
> Who cares? This is a vegan newsgroup. Please try to stay at least remotely
> on topic when posting.
>

Yeah!

I liked it better when all the busybodies and self-appointed policemen used
to complain blue murder about porn all the time and sit there counting the
number of occurrences of the word 'bloody' in each episode of Till Death Us
Do Part. )

And Hairy Whitmouse, sorry, Mary Whitehouse moaning about Albert Steptoe
saying he was colder than a penguin's chuff! Met her once. She was barmey!
She even went to Sweden, sat there in sex show clubs so she could
deliberately storm out in disgust when the performance started!!!

She was even instrumental in getting RTL taken off Cable TV because of the
hilariously funny and absolutely harmless stripping quiz show "Tutti
Fruity"!!

At least their antics were funny.

Anyway: To stay on topic. Really cheesy-tasting pasta sauce.

Fry up a good quantity of mushrooms with coarsely-chopped garlic until
they're well over-cooked and shrunken and the garlic well roasted, leave
them on some kitchen towel to absorb the oil and leave them aside while you
then stand well back and chuck a large tin of plum tomatoes into the hot
oil - just the toms - not the juice yet..

Keep on a high heat as singeing them a bit really brings out the "taste
factor," then turn them down to a simmer and add the juice out of the tin, a
little tarragon and a very little chilli powder, and chop the tomatoes in
the pan. Then add the mushrooms.

Stir and simmer for about 10 minutes then - the cheesy bit:

Add the juice of a lime or two and a good glug of tahini. Stir slowly and
the tahini with react with the lime juice and other acids and form an
emulsion. This is what gives it a cheesy taste.

Simmer this for a few more minutes on a very low heat and the whole lot will
sort of bind together and you'll be able to pour off any surplus oil.

Nemo wrote:
>Anyway: To stay on topic. Really cheesy-tasting pasta sauce.
>
>Fry up a good quantity of mushrooms with coarsely-chopped garlic until
>they're well over-cooked and shrunken and the garlic well roasted, leave
>them on some kitchen towel to absorb the oil and leave them aside while you
>then stand well back and chuck a large tin of plum tomatoes into the hot
>oil - just the toms - not the juice yet..
>
>Keep on a high heat as singeing them a bit really brings out the "taste
>factor," then turn them down to a simmer and add the juice out of the tin, a
>little tarragon and a very little chilli powder, and chop the tomatoes in
>the pan. Then add the mushrooms.
>
>Stir and simmer for about 10 minutes then - the cheesy bit:
>
>Add the juice of a lime or two and a good glug of tahini. Stir slowly and
>the tahini with react with the lime juice and other acids and form an
>emulsion. This is what gives it a cheesy taste.
>
>Simmer this for a few more minutes on a very low heat and the whole lot will
>sort of bind together and you'll be able to pour off any surplus oil.

Sounds tasty! Thanks Nemo for bringing this thread on topic and for the
recipe... I cracked my knuckle on my right thumb awhile ago and have developed
arthritis in it...I'm finding that spicy food makes the difference as to
whether I can bend my thumb or not... I would think that your recipe would make
a nice dip for tortilla chips as well as a pasta sauce...especially with the
addition of some hot peppers...yum!

T5NF > wrote in message
...
> Nemo wrote:
> >Anyway: To stay on topic. Really cheesy-tasting pasta sauce.
> >
> >Fry up a good quantity of mushrooms with coarsely-chopped garlic until
> >they're well over-cooked and shrunken and the garlic well roasted, leave
> >them on some kitchen towel to absorb the oil and leave them aside while
you
> >then stand well back and chuck a large tin of plum tomatoes into the hot
> >oil - just the toms - not the juice yet..
> >
> >Keep on a high heat as singeing them a bit really brings out the "taste
> >factor," then turn them down to a simmer and add the juice out of the
tin, a
> >little tarragon and a very little chilli powder, and chop the tomatoes in
> >the pan. Then add the mushrooms.
> >
> >Stir and simmer for about 10 minutes then - the cheesy bit:
> >
> >Add the juice of a lime or two and a good glug of tahini. Stir slowly and
> >the tahini with react with the lime juice and other acids and form an
> >emulsion. This is what gives it a cheesy taste.
> >
> >Simmer this for a few more minutes on a very low heat and the whole lot
will
> >sort of bind together and you'll be able to pour off any surplus oil.
>
> Sounds tasty! Thanks Nemo for bringing this thread on topic and for the
> recipe... I cracked my knuckle on my right thumb awhile ago and have
developed
> arthritis in it...I'm finding that spicy food makes the difference as to
> whether I can bend my thumb or not... I would think that your recipe would
make
> a nice dip for tortilla chips as well as a pasta sauce...especially with
the
> addition of some hot peppers...yum!
>
Don't mention it.

Too late.

It's nice scooped up on crisps or big lumps of Matzo too.

You have my sympathy. Arthritis and circulatory problems are my family's two
favourite diseases. I'm already on Warfarin for DVTs and PEs and Atenolol of
AFs and I'm waiting for the rest!

I forgot to mention - it's even better with some chopped black olives added
once it's off the heat. A small amount of Soy Sauce helps to.

C. James Strutz > wrote:


> Who cares? This is a vegan newsgroup. Please try to stay at least remotely
> on topic when posting.

What do you expect? Obviously some people haven't even learn yet that
calling other people names isn't a very good strategy.

Shieldmaiden wrote:
>>Who cares? This is a vegan newsgroup. Please try to stay at least remotely
>>on topic when posting.
>
> What do you expect?

I expect self-proclaimed "ethical" vegans to flagrantly violate the law and the
rights of others -- and not just the copyright issue. I further expect
self-proclaimed "tolerant" vegans to demand others follow their peculiar eating
disorder to "save the animals" or some other suggestion which has no basis in
reality. I further expect self-proclaimed "enlightened" vegans to lash out at
others rather than engage them on the merits of the subject(s) at hand.

> Obviously some people haven't even learn yet that
> calling other people names isn't a very good strategy.

Awfully rich coming from an authoritarian like you.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> Ray Bradbury is trying to get lard ass propagandist Michael Moore to
change the
> title of his latest release because it infringes on Bradbury's novel
Fahrenheit
> 451. Note that Bradbury is willing to settle for an apology and the film's
name
> change, but that litigation remains a possibility if Moore persists.
>
> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040619/D83A0PJ00.html
>
You mean duck and not dork?
Is good to remove lard if making Peking Duck. Maybe you message have not
to do with cooking but how you feel bad about movie.
This ok to say, but I think maybe popcorn better with movie than duck.

usual suspect wrote:
> Ray Bradbury is trying to get lard ass propagandist Michael Moore to
> change the title of his latest release because it infringes on
> Bradbury's novel Fahrenheit 451. Note that Bradbury is willing to settle
> for an apology and the film's name change, but that litigation remains a
> possibility if Moore persists.
>
> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040619/D83A0PJ00.html
>
I didn't think titles could be copyrighted. If not, what is going to be
the basis of Bradbury's litigation?

John Knezevich wrote:
>> Ray Bradbury is trying to get lard ass propagandist Michael Moore to
>> change the title of his latest release because it infringes on
>> Bradbury's novel Fahrenheit 451. Note that Bradbury is willing to
>> settle for an apology and the film's name change, but that litigation
>> remains a possibility if Moore persists.
>>
>> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040619/D83A0PJ00.html
>>
> I didn't think titles could be copyrighted. If not, what is going to be
> the basis of Bradbury's litigation?

I think titles are fair game unless trademarked. I don't know if Bradbury has a
trademark on Fahrenheit 451 or any part(s) of it. My point was to demonstrate my
point that many authors and artists take their copyrighted works very seriously
and take strong exception to what others do with their intellectual property.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> Ray Bradbury is trying to get lard ass propagandist Michael Moore to
change the
> title of his latest release because it infringes on Bradbury's novel
Fahrenheit
> 451. Note that Bradbury is willing to settle for an apology and the film's
name
> change, but that litigation remains a possibility if Moore persists.
>
> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040619/D83A0PJ00.html

I do see a difference in this case because Moore is making money off of this
and Bradbury has a right to be the only one who makes money off of his
novel. I had wondered when I first heard the film title if Bradbury had
given Moore permission.

I loved the book Farenheight 451, and I was kind of sad that the movie was
using such a similar title. It might tarnish people's perceptions of the
book if they haven't heard of it before.

-Rubystars

Rubystars wrote:
<...>
> I do see a difference in this case because Moore is making money off of this
> and Bradbury has a right to be the only one who makes money off of his
> novel. I had wondered when I first heard the film title if Bradbury had
> given Moore permission.
>
> I loved the book Farenheight 451, and I was kind of sad that the movie was
> using such a similar title. It might tarnish people's perceptions of the
> book if they haven't heard of it before.

Moore's movie has has nothing whatsoever to do with Bradbury's book (and the
movie from it). He just lifted a catchy title and applied it to his dubious work
even though the two have nothing in common. Bradbury called Moore a "screwed
asshole" in a Swedish interview. Nailed that one on the head.

For a good review of Moore's propagandist film, see the Hitchens review of it:
http://politics.slate.msn.com/id/2102723/