Hi, John C here,

Raw nearly 7 years, about 4 of them 100% raw. Eating cooked food and
condiments is no good!

I tend to eat mono, mostly fruit, sometimes nuts and big salads and often
veg juices.

Issues so far include metabolic B12 deficiency (without any symptoms), and
vitamin D deficiency. Bith treated with supplements as per required for
cooked vegan diet.

It's natural to enjoy sweet foods, stick to mangoes, ripe bananas and such
like, take the supplements, no problems.

J

"John Coleman" > wrote in message
news:y%hfc.16714$4N3.9115@newsfe1-win...
> Hi, John C here,
>
> Raw nearly 7 years, about 4 of them 100% raw. Eating cooked food and
> condiments is no good!
>
> I tend to eat mono, mostly fruit, sometimes nuts and big salads and often
> veg juices.
>
> Issues so far include metabolic B12 deficiency (without any symptoms), and
> vitamin D deficiency. Bith treated with supplements as per required for
> cooked vegan diet.
>
> It's natural to enjoy sweet foods, stick to mangoes, ripe bananas and such
> like, take the supplements, no problems.

I noticed you said that you had a deficiency with no symptoms. Can I assume
through this that you are under the guidance of a doctor? If so, do you
think that he or she will detect other deficiencies that may creep up,
whether or not you can?

-Rubystars

John Coleman wrote:
> Raw nearly 7 years, about 4 of them 100% raw. Eating cooked food and
> condiments is no good!

Why not?

> I tend to eat mono, mostly fruit, sometimes nuts and big salads and often
> veg juices.
>
> Issues so far include metabolic B12 deficiency

That happens when you intentionally malnourish yourself.

> (without any symptoms),

By "any symptoms" do you mean only those which are manifestly observable thus
far? The presence of manifestly observable myelin/axon damage isn't a symptom,
it's the presence of disease. B-12 deficiency in and of itself is a symptom.
Keep playing Russian roulette with your food and you'll find out what disease
it's a symptom of.

> and vitamin D deficiency.

Another sign of poor health.

> Bith treated with supplements as per required for
> cooked vegan diet.

Why is being "vegan" more important to you than being "healthy"?

> It's natural to enjoy sweet foods,

Many people also naturally enjoy meat, eggs, and dairy. A little bit of some of
those and your deficiencies will diminish.

> stick to mangoes, ripe bananas and such
> like, take the supplements, no problems.

Why not get the vitamins you need as they naturally occur in foods instead of
artificially from pills?

John Coleman > wrote:
> It's natural to enjoy sweet foods, stick to mangoes, ripe bananas
> and such like, [...]

I think I'm unnatural, in that case I really don't like sweet
things very much at all. Bananas are OK. I'd rather eat savoury stuff.

Kake

Cabbage [for usual suspect] is the chinese word for vegetable.
Cauliflower is also cuciferous ( mustard family i.e. jesus' parable).
Those two ought to provide your B's and more.
As far as proteins go, tomato or eggplant as well.

Four vegetables -how many do you think were meant for us i.e. before
the forbiden fruit. It only stands to reason that there were few as we
were few.

Anyway, never felt better, don't stink and all doorknobs feel greasy
-ick.
Fruit gets me drunk now.

http://www.personalhealthzone.com/nu...s/cabbage.html.

how about this..
Humans' delicate "paws" did not evolve through tool use - it was the
gentle cabbage picking as we didn't kill the plants to begin
with...leaves were not invented for use as toilet paper either.

Hope this muse is amusing. Evolution has to at least appear obvious,
somewhat.

soapless wrote:
> Cabbage [for usual suspect] is the chinese word for vegetable.

Etymology: Middle English caboche, from Old North French, head
www.m-w.com

> Cauliflower is also cuciferous ( mustard family i.e. jesus' parable).
> Those two ought to provide your B's and more.

USDA NUTRIENT BASE (per 100 grams)

Cauliflower:
Thiamin Mg : 0.057 3.8% 5.2%
Riboflavin Mg : 0.063 3.7% 4.8%
Niacin Mg : 0.526 2.8% 3.5%
Vitamin B6 Mg : 0.222 11.1% 13.9%
Folacin Mcg : 57.000 28.5% 31.7%
Vitamin B12 Mcg : 0.000 0.0% 0.0%

Cabbage:
Thiamin Mg : 0.050 3.3% 4.5%
Riboflavin Mg : 0.040 2.4% 3.1%
Niacin Mg : 0.300 1.6% 2.0%
Vitamin B6 Mg : 0.096 4.8% 6.0%
Folacin Mcg : 43.000 21.5% 23.9%
Vitamin B12 Mcg : 0.000 0.0% 0.0%

Aside from folates, what were you saying? Hehe.

> As far as proteins go, tomato or eggplant as well.

Tomato
Protein Gms : 0.850 1.3% 1.7%

Eggplant
Protein Gms : 1.020 1.6% 2.0%

Both per 100 grams raw. IOW, one would have to eat about 20 pounds of both or
either per day to get sufficient protein. That doesn't take into account that
eggplant is limited in methionine and cystine and tomato in histidine, all of
which are essential amino acids.

> Four vegetables -how many do you think were meant for us i.e. before
> the forbiden fruit. It only stands to reason that there were few as we
> were few.

It's ironic that you're staking your appeal on religion. Those of us who favor
science can see that eating 20 pounds of tomatoes and eggplant per day is not a
feasible option. Most people eat between 3-4.5 pounds of food per day.

> Anyway, never felt better, don't stink and all doorknobs feel greasy

I know meat eaters. They don't stink; they bathe daily. Their doorknobs don't
feel greasy; they keep their houses clean.

> -ick.
> Fruit gets me drunk now.

That explains your unintelligible post.

> http://www.personalhealthzone.com/nu...s/cabbage.html.
>
> how about this..
> Humans' delicate "paws" did not evolve through tool use - it was the
> gentle cabbage picking as we didn't kill the plants to begin
> with...

Non sequitur. Evolution -- or rather, natural selection -- doesn't really take
technology into account. Technology allows us to skip time-consuming processes
of natural selection. The evolution of our "delicate paws" has a bit to do with
diet, but a lot more to do with sense of touch, the way we walk upright, and our
use of tools:
A comparison of modern human hands with those of non-human primates
reveals features unique to humans. Functional analyses of these unique
features have shown that they are consistent with the stresses and
requirements for joint movements associated with effective use of
hand-held paleolithic stone tools. Hominid fossil hands from the
Pliocene and Pleistocene provide some evidence of the sequence in which
these features evolved. Structural adjustments to bipedal posture in the
earliest hominids may have been an important correlate to developments
in the hand, facilitating the use of the trunk as leverage in
accelerating the hand during tool-use.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~alock/hbook/hand.htm

> leaves were not invented for use as toilet paper either.

Ipse dixit. Here we go with another loon's testimonial about lack of personal
hygiene.

> Hope this muse is amusing.

Not very. You're not among the more clever raw-faddist kooks, so it wasn't even
interesting.

> Evolution has to at least appear obvious,
> somewhat.

WTF are you rambling about? You apparently haven't read what scientists and
anthropologists have to say about the evolution of the hand.

You seem to be a very explicitly unhappy person.
go away usual suspect - can't stand your own camp, can you?.

Eat as many pounds of whatever you see fit, I'm healthy- don't tell me
what to eat.

Greasy doorknobs - that's what's at your house - clean your keyboard
often.

Are you promoting soap, criticism or are you just miserable and would
like to spread your intolerance throughout the loving globe that you
enhance with your very stench?

Why not try to convince meatarians to eat more meat?

I'm sure they wouldn't joke about eating your sickly flesh, but they
sure smack their lips about my free range grain fed corpuscles.

usual suspect > wrote in message >...
> soapless wrote:
> > Cabbage [for usual suspect] is the chinese word for vegetable.
>
> Etymology: Middle English caboche, from Old North French, head
> www.m-w.com
>
> > Cauliflower is also cuciferous ( mustard family i.e. jesus' parable).
> > Those two ought to provide your B's and more.
>
> USDA NUTRIENT BASE (per 100 grams)
>
> Cauliflower:
> Thiamin Mg : 0.057 3.8% 5.2%
> Riboflavin Mg : 0.063 3.7% 4.8%
> Niacin Mg : 0.526 2.8% 3.5%
> Vitamin B6 Mg : 0.222 11.1% 13.9%
> Folacin Mcg : 57.000 28.5% 31.7%
> Vitamin B12 Mcg : 0.000 0.0% 0.0%
>
> Cabbage:
> Thiamin Mg : 0.050 3.3% 4.5%
> Riboflavin Mg : 0.040 2.4% 3.1%
> Niacin Mg : 0.300 1.6% 2.0%
> Vitamin B6 Mg : 0.096 4.8% 6.0%
> Folacin Mcg : 43.000 21.5% 23.9%
> Vitamin B12 Mcg : 0.000 0.0% 0.0%
>
> Aside from folates, what were you saying? Hehe.
>
> > As far as proteins go, tomato or eggplant as well.
>
> Tomato
> Protein Gms : 0.850 1.3% 1.7%
>
> Eggplant
> Protein Gms : 1.020 1.6% 2.0%
>
> Both per 100 grams raw. IOW, one would have to eat about 20 pounds of both or
> either per day to get sufficient protein. That doesn't take into account that
> eggplant is limited in methionine and cystine and tomato in histidine, all of
> which are essential amino acids.
>
> > Four vegetables -how many do you think were meant for us i.e. before
> > the forbiden fruit. It only stands to reason that there were few as we
> > were few.
>
> It's ironic that you're staking your appeal on religion. Those of us who favor
> science can see that eating 20 pounds of tomatoes and eggplant per day is not a
> feasible option. Most people eat between 3-4.5 pounds of food per day.
>
> > Anyway, never felt better, don't stink and all doorknobs feel greasy
>
> I know meat eaters. They don't stink; they bathe daily. Their doorknobs don't
> feel greasy; they keep their houses clean.
>
> > -ick.
> > Fruit gets me drunk now.
>
> That explains your unintelligible post.
>
> > http://www.personalhealthzone.com/nu...s/cabbage.html.
> >
> > how about this..
> > Humans' delicate "paws" did not evolve through tool use - it was the
> > gentle cabbage picking as we didn't kill the plants to begin
> > with...
>
> Non sequitur. Evolution -- or rather, natural selection -- doesn't really take
> technology into account. Technology allows us to skip time-consuming processes
> of natural selection. The evolution of our "delicate paws" has a bit to do with
> diet, but a lot more to do with sense of touch, the way we walk upright, and our
> use of tools:
> A comparison of modern human hands with those of non-human primates
> reveals features unique to humans. Functional analyses of these unique
> features have shown that they are consistent with the stresses and
> requirements for joint movements associated with effective use of
> hand-held paleolithic stone tools. Hominid fossil hands from the
> Pliocene and Pleistocene provide some evidence of the sequence in which
> these features evolved. Structural adjustments to bipedal posture in the
> earliest hominids may have been an important correlate to developments
> in the hand, facilitating the use of the trunk as leverage in
> accelerating the hand during tool-use.
> http://www.massey.ac.nz/~alock/hbook/hand.htm
>
> > leaves were not invented for use as toilet paper either.
>
> Ipse dixit. Here we go with another loon's testimonial about lack of personal
> hygiene.
>
> > Hope this muse is amusing.
>
> Not very. You're not among the more clever raw-faddist kooks, so it wasn't even
> interesting.
>
> > Evolution has to at least appear obvious,
> > somewhat.
>
> WTF are you rambling about? You apparently haven't read what scientists and
> anthropologists have to say about the evolution of the hand.


you are so far off on protein it's not worth engaging you in debate on
any topic you dreamed I was adressing.

As far as evolution of the hand goes, primates masturbate in dire
times -look around . If you know everything so well, why do you read
these posts? You ceratinly aim not to enlighten but to belittle.. it's
a good thing the cut and paste function keeps those of yours hands
busy, lest they mutate into something you can't sit on as you should,
gramps.

usual suspect > wrote in message >...
> soapless wrote:
> > Cabbage [for usual suspect] is the chinese word for vegetable.
>
> Etymology: Middle English caboche, from Old North French, head
> www.m-w.com
>
> > Cauliflower is also cuciferous ( mustard family i.e. jesus' parable).
> > Those two ought to provide your B's and more.
>
> USDA NUTRIENT BASE (per 100 grams)
>
> Cauliflower:
> Thiamin Mg : 0.057 3.8% 5.2%
> Riboflavin Mg : 0.063 3.7% 4.8%
> Niacin Mg : 0.526 2.8% 3.5%
> Vitamin B6 Mg : 0.222 11.1% 13.9%
> Folacin Mcg : 57.000 28.5% 31.7%
> Vitamin B12 Mcg : 0.000 0.0% 0.0%
>
> Cabbage:
> Thiamin Mg : 0.050 3.3% 4.5%
> Riboflavin Mg : 0.040 2.4% 3.1%
> Niacin Mg : 0.300 1.6% 2.0%
> Vitamin B6 Mg : 0.096 4.8% 6.0%
> Folacin Mcg : 43.000 21.5% 23.9%
> Vitamin B12 Mcg : 0.000 0.0% 0.0%
>
> Aside from folates, what were you saying? Hehe.
>
> > As far as proteins go, tomato or eggplant as well.
>
> Tomato
> Protein Gms : 0.850 1.3% 1.7%
>
> Eggplant
> Protein Gms : 1.020 1.6% 2.0%
>
> Both per 100 grams raw. IOW, one would have to eat about 20 pounds of both or
> either per day to get sufficient protein. That doesn't take into account that
> eggplant is limited in methionine and cystine and tomato in histidine, all of
> which are essential amino acids.
>
> > Four vegetables -how many do you think were meant for us i.e. before
> > the forbiden fruit. It only stands to reason that there were few as we
> > were few.
>
> It's ironic that you're staking your appeal on religion. Those of us who favor
> science can see that eating 20 pounds of tomatoes and eggplant per day is not a
> feasible option. Most people eat between 3-4.5 pounds of food per day.
>
> > Anyway, never felt better, don't stink and all doorknobs feel greasy
>
> I know meat eaters. They don't stink; they bathe daily. Their doorknobs don't
> feel greasy; they keep their houses clean.
>
> > -ick.
> > Fruit gets me drunk now.
>
> That explains your unintelligible post.
>
> > http://www.personalhealthzone.com/nu...s/cabbage.html.
> >
> > how about this..
> > Humans' delicate "paws" did not evolve through tool use - it was the
> > gentle cabbage picking as we didn't kill the plants to begin
> > with...
>
> Non sequitur. Evolution -- or rather, natural selection -- doesn't really take
> technology into account. Technology allows us to skip time-consuming processes
> of natural selection. The evolution of our "delicate paws" has a bit to do with
> diet, but a lot more to do with sense of touch, the way we walk upright, and our
> use of tools:
> A comparison of modern human hands with those of non-human primates
> reveals features unique to humans. Functional analyses of these unique
> features have shown that they are consistent with the stresses and
> requirements for joint movements associated with effective use of
> hand-held paleolithic stone tools. Hominid fossil hands from the
> Pliocene and Pleistocene provide some evidence of the sequence in which
> these features evolved. Structural adjustments to bipedal posture in the
> earliest hominids may have been an important correlate to developments
> in the hand, facilitating the use of the trunk as leverage in
> accelerating the hand during tool-use.
> http://www.massey.ac.nz/~alock/hbook/hand.htm
>
> > leaves were not invented for use as toilet paper either.
>
> Ipse dixit. Here we go with another loon's testimonial about lack of personal
> hygiene.
>
> > Hope this muse is amusing.
>
> Not very. You're not among the more clever raw-faddist kooks, so it wasn't even
> interesting.
>
> > Evolution has to at least appear obvious,
> > somewhat.
>
> WTF are you rambling about? You apparently haven't read what scientists and
> anthropologists have to say about the evolution of the hand.

> > Cabbage [for usual suspect] is the chinese word for vegetable.

This means, and i'll go slowly and laboriously discretely for you,
that in chinese, if you say the word cabbage, you have said the word
vegetable.
snippage,

Oh, and I'll mention a bit 'bout vitamins, but that's it -I don't
suffer fools gladly.

Vitamins are a mere dead snapshot of the living process of digestion -
you kill enzymes by cooking , so you argue this -fine.

When you talk vit B# you mean nicotinic acids.
Any two cut leaves pretty much gets these 'vitamins' brewing.

Shelf life of your 'vitamins'. Did earl mindell write your bible? [a
reference to earl mindell's vitamin bible].Vit E doesn't last long,
nor does D.

Vitamin U is produced when cabbage is cooked. do you not think
digestion alone produced this 'vitamin'?

"soapless" > wrote in message
om...
> Oh, and I'll mention a bit 'bout vitamins, but that's it -I don't
> suffer fools gladly.
> =====================
Wow, you must truly hate yourself then, uh?


> Vitamins are a mere dead snapshot of the living process of digestion -
> you kill enzymes by cooking , so you argue this -fine.
>
> When you talk vit B# you mean nicotinic acids.
> Any two cut leaves pretty much gets these 'vitamins' brewing.
>
> Shelf life of your 'vitamins'. Did earl mindell write your bible? [a
> reference to earl mindell's vitamin bible].Vit E doesn't last long,
> nor does D.
>
> Vitamin U is produced when cabbage is cooked. do you not think
> digestion alone produced this 'vitamin'?

Veg Love > wrote:
> [...] when I eat veggies it is usually a very diverse sald with flax
> oil and dulse along with a large glass of green vegetable juice.

Yes! Seaweeds are very very nice in salad. What other things do you
put in? Grated raw turnip is surprisingly nice. Avocado is a good
addition, of course, and soaked almonds - both of those also make a
good dressing, if you grind the almonds.

Kake

"soapless" > wrote in message
<snip>
> As far as evolution of the hand goes, primates masturbate in dire
> times -look around . If you know everything so well, why do you read
> these posts? You ceratinly aim not to enlighten but to belittle.. it's
> a good thing the cut and paste function keeps those of yours hands
> busy, lest they mutate into something you can't sit on as you should,
> gramps.

Evolution works on populations, not individuals. Therefore, for a behavior
to be selected for, it would have to give an advantage in terms of having
more offspring. Masturbation does not increase the number of offspring an
animal has, or help in survival.

-Rubystars

"rick etter" > wrote in message thlink.net>...
> "soapless" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Oh, and I'll mention a bit 'bout vitamins, but that's it -I don't
> > suffer fools gladly.
> > =====================
> Wow, you must truly hate yourself then, uh?
>
>
Glad to see your "arguement" reduced to the mere spite that it is.
Also, it's nice that you worry about my self-image, however that sort
of concern is negative energy -save it for your "signifcant ones" - I
have no use for it.

Can't you go kick a cat or something, maybe have one de-clawed? Get it
out of you, whatever is bothering you so , this obviously isn't
helping.

I did not "stake my opinion on religion", I merely alluded to one of
the earliest stories of sugar addiction, that of the "Forbidden
Fruit". Interpret it as you will, why wasn't it a hamburger instead of
an apple?.

Vegetarians are more polite - Time magazine even said so.

You may call me names, but I grieve over much greater atrocities while
you split hairs in a forum meant to address concerns you do not
support.

Not that I expected any better - that's why I'm here ,for you to
heckle me.

"soapless" > wrote in message
om...
> "rick etter" > wrote in message
thlink.net>...
> > "soapless" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > Oh, and I'll mention a bit 'bout vitamins, but that's it -I don't
> > > suffer fools gladly.
> > > =====================
> > Wow, you must truly hate yourself then, uh?
> >
> >
> Glad to see your "arguement" reduced to the mere spite that it is.
> Also, it's nice that you worry about my self-image, however that sort
> of concern is negative energy -save it for your "signifcant ones" - I
> have no use for it.
>
> Can't you go kick a cat or something, maybe have one de-clawed? Get it
> out of you, whatever is bothering you so , this obviously isn't
> helping.
==============
ROTFLMAO Obviously your diet is really screwing you up. Better get some
good food in you, fast.

"soapless" > wrote in message
m...
> I did not "stake my opinion on religion", I merely alluded to one of
> the earliest stories of sugar addiction, that of the "Forbidden
> Fruit". Interpret it as you will, why wasn't it a hamburger instead of
> an apple?.
>
> Vegetarians are more polite - Time magazine even said so.
=====================
Obviously they've never read the ones here on usenet. As a group they are
the most hate filled set of people I've ever run across.


>
> You may call me names, but I grieve over much greater atrocities while
> you split hairs in a forum meant to address concerns you do not
> support.
====================
ROTFLMAO What atrocities fool? You do nothing to reduce any atrocity by
setting at your computer spewing your hate at others. What a hoot!!!


>
> Not that I expected any better - that's why I'm here ,for you to
> heckle me.
=================
Naw, you're too easy.

soapless wrote:
> You seem to be a very explicitly unhappy person.

Wrong, I'm a very happy and cheerful person.

> go away usual suspect -

No.

> can't stand your own camp, can you?.

What camp would that be? I'm vegetarian.

> Eat as many pounds of whatever you see fit, I'm healthy- don't tell me
> what to eat.

You made some claims about diet, and I demonstrated through the use of nutrient
data that your eating disorder is not a healthy diet.

> Greasy doorknobs - that's what's at your house -

No, my knobs are clean.

> clean your keyboard often.

It stays clean. I'm a very tidy person.

> Are you promoting soap, criticism or are you just miserable and would
> like to spread your intolerance throughout the loving globe that you
> enhance with your very stench?

What intolerance? You made some claims about cabbage, cauliflower, tomato, and
eggplant. I showed you were wrong.

> Why not try to convince meatarians to eat more meat?

No such thing as "meatarians." That isn't even a word.

> I'm sure they wouldn't joke about eating your sickly flesh, but they
> sure smack their lips about my free range grain fed corpuscles.

Your unintelligible remarks are probably due to your eating disorder. Try
getting appropriate nutrition, whether you choose to remain veg-n or not.

soapless wrote:
>>>Cabbage [for usual suspect] is the chinese word for vegetable.
>>
>> Etymology: Middle English caboche, from Old North French, head
>> www.m-w.com
>>
>>
>>>Cauliflower is also cuciferous ( mustard family i.e. jesus' parable).
>>>Those two ought to provide your B's and more.
>>
>>USDA NUTRIENT BASE (per 100 grams)
>>
>>Cauliflower:
>>Thiamin Mg : 0.057 3.8% 5.2%
>>Riboflavin Mg : 0.063 3.7% 4.8%
>>Niacin Mg : 0.526 2.8% 3.5%
>>Vitamin B6 Mg : 0.222 11.1% 13.9%
>>Folacin Mcg : 57.000 28.5% 31.7%
>>Vitamin B12 Mcg : 0.000 0.0% 0.0%
>>
>>Cabbage:
>>Thiamin Mg : 0.050 3.3% 4.5%
>>Riboflavin Mg : 0.040 2.4% 3.1%
>>Niacin Mg : 0.300 1.6% 2.0%
>>Vitamin B6 Mg : 0.096 4.8% 6.0%
>>Folacin Mcg : 43.000 21.5% 23.9%
>>Vitamin B12 Mcg : 0.000 0.0% 0.0%
>>
>>Aside from folates, what were you saying? Hehe.
>>
>>
>>>As far as proteins go, tomato or eggplant as well.
>>
>>Tomato
>>Protein Gms : 0.850 1.3% 1.7%
>>
>>Eggplant
>>Protein Gms : 1.020 1.6% 2.0%
>>
>>Both per 100 grams raw. IOW, one would have to eat about 20 pounds of both or
>>either per day to get sufficient protein. That doesn't take into account that
>>eggplant is limited in methionine and cystine and tomato in histidine, all of
>>which are essential amino acids.
>>
>>
>>>Four vegetables -how many do you think were meant for us i.e. before
>>>the forbiden fruit. It only stands to reason that there were few as we
>>>were few.
>>
>>It's ironic that you're staking your appeal on religion. Those of us who favor
>>science can see that eating 20 pounds of tomatoes and eggplant per day is not a
>>feasible option. Most people eat between 3-4.5 pounds of food per day.
>>
>>
>>>Anyway, never felt better, don't stink and all doorknobs feel greasy
>>
>>I know meat eaters. They don't stink; they bathe daily. Their doorknobs don't
>>feel greasy; they keep their houses clean.
>>
>>
>>>-ick.
>>>Fruit gets me drunk now.
>>
>>That explains your unintelligible post.
>>
>>
>>>http://www.personalhealthzone.com/nu...s/cabbage.html.
>>>
>>>how about this..
>>>Humans' delicate "paws" did not evolve through tool use - it was the
>>>gentle cabbage picking as we didn't kill the plants to begin
>>>with...
>>
>>Non sequitur. Evolution -- or rather, natural selection -- doesn't really take
>>technology into account. Technology allows us to skip time-consuming processes
>>of natural selection. The evolution of our "delicate paws" has a bit to do with
>>diet, but a lot more to do with sense of touch, the way we walk upright, and our
>>use of tools:
>> A comparison of modern human hands with those of non-human primates
>> reveals features unique to humans. Functional analyses of these unique
>> features have shown that they are consistent with the stresses and
>> requirements for joint movements associated with effective use of
>> hand-held paleolithic stone tools. Hominid fossil hands from the
>> Pliocene and Pleistocene provide some evidence of the sequence in which
>> these features evolved. Structural adjustments to bipedal posture in the
>> earliest hominids may have been an important correlate to developments
>> in the hand, facilitating the use of the trunk as leverage in
>> accelerating the hand during tool-use.
>> http://www.massey.ac.nz/~alock/hbook/hand.htm
>>
>>
>>>leaves were not invented for use as toilet paper either.
>>
>>Ipse dixit. Here we go with another loon's testimonial about lack of personal
>>hygiene.
>>
>>
>>>Hope this muse is amusing.
>>
>>Not very. You're not among the more clever raw-faddist kooks, so it wasn't even
>>interesting.
>>
>>
>>>Evolution has to at least appear obvious,
>>>somewhat.
>>
>>WTF are you rambling about? You apparently haven't read what scientists and
>>anthropologists have to say about the evolution of the hand.
>
> you are so far off on protein

How? You said that tomato and eggplant would provide enough. I got the nutrient
data from the USFDA nutrient database. You can find links to it at Google and
judge the information yourself.

> it's not worth engaging you in debate

Why are you running from what you started?

> on
> any topic you dreamed I was adressing.

You make less sense with every post, nitwit. Care to try again?

> As far as evolution of the hand goes, primates masturbate in dire
> times -look around .

Masturbation plays no significant role in evolution since evolution is a
long-range process of change within a species. Masturbation is self-stimulation
within a short-term. How does masturbation affect offspring, other than there
being no complementary gamete involved?

> If you know everything so well,

You mean like you did by spewing complete BS about cabbage, cauliflower, tomato,
and eggplant?

> why do you read these posts?

To correct mistaken or misleading information.

> You ceratinly aim not to enlighten

Why do you suppose I pasted in the nutritional information to correct what you
had clearly misstated?

> but to belittle..

I could have belittled you far more than I did. I made it a point to be kind to
you and let the information speak for itself. Now you want to make it personal.
Fine.

> it's
> a good thing the cut and paste function keeps those of yours hands
> busy,

Among other things. I bet I have more of a life than someone who responds to the
same post at least four (five?) times over the course of a day.

> lest they mutate into something you can't sit on as you should,

I don't sit on my hands.

> gramps.

I'm not old enough to be anyone's gramps.

soapless wrote:
> Oh, and I'll mention a bit 'bout vitamins, but that's it -I don't
> suffer fools gladly.

Fight with yourself a lot, eh.

> Vitamins are a mere dead snapshot of the living process of digestion -

According to whom?

> you kill enzymes by cooking ,

According to whom? Why is it that cooked carrots have more vitamins than raw?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/359175.stm

> so you argue this -fine.

Facts count. You're a nitwit in a newsgroup offering uncorroborated statements
about health and diet. I've shown that your statements are not only wrong,
they're so wrong that you should be treated as a joke.

> When you talk vit B# you mean nicotinic acids.

B3, nicotinic acid, niacin. Same bloody thing.

> Any two cut leaves pretty much gets these 'vitamins' brewing.

According to whom?

<snip rest of unintelligible BS>

soapless wrote:
> I did not "stake my opinion on religion",

Yes, you have. Your whole raw food fad is a quasi-religion. You accept the dogma
of other raw faddists and treat with contempt the "heretics." This was clear to
me the moment you said it's not worth debating -- as if you hold some secret
that is too precious to be held up to scrutiny.

> I merely alluded to one of
> the earliest stories of sugar addiction,

Very peculiar spin.

> that of the "Forbidden
> Fruit". Interpret it as you will,

I'll interpret it far differently. I don't view millenia-old documents in light
of modern psychobabble about addictions. I don't think your view holds up in any
academic context, whether one accepts the source texts or not.

> why wasn't it a hamburger instead of
> an apple?.

I don't know, but it could have to do with the fact that the hamburger is a
fairly recent development unknown to Moses when Genesis was written.
Although the term hamburger is derived from the city in Germany, the
original Hamburg steak was a piece of meat which was pounded until
tender, not chopped or ground. The hamburg shows up in print in 1834 in
America on the menu at New York's Delmonico Restaurant, where Hamburg
steak was a prominent item. The burger on a bun is claimed to be the
concoction of Charles and Frank Menches. It seems these two vendors ran
out of sandwich pork at the Erie County Fair in 1885 and switched to
beef.
http://homecooking.about.com/library.../aa092401a.htm

> Vegetarians are more polite -

Do you mean the following?
Are you promoting soap, criticism or are you just miserable and would
like to spread your intolerance throughout the loving globe that you
enhance with your very stench?

Or:
Can't you go kick a cat or something, maybe have one de-clawed? Get it
out of you, whatever is bothering you so , this obviously isn't
helping.

> Time magazine even said so.

WTF do they know?

> You may call me names, but I grieve over much greater atrocities while
> you split hairs

How is pointing out the protein and vitamin content of foods splitting hairs,
particularly when you made specific claims about certain foods? I addressed what
you said, and showed you to be a charlatan.

> in a forum meant to address concerns you do not
> support.

This "forum" addresses concerns of mine. It's when silly whiners like you come
along and spew unfounded propanganda that I present the facts. Too bad you were
shown to be either misinformed, stupid, or a brazen liar. Which is it?

> Not that I expected any better - that's why I'm here ,for you to
> heckle me.

I'll heckle you if you want, especially since I made my case about the
nutritional value of cauliflower, cabbage, tomato, and eggplant. When will you
make yours? Oh yeah, you can't.

rick etter wrote:
<...>
>>Glad to see your "arguement" reduced to the mere spite that it is.
>>Also, it's nice that you worry about my self-image, however that sort
>>of concern is negative energy -save it for your "signifcant ones" - I
>>have no use for it.
>>
>>Can't you go kick a cat or something, maybe have one de-clawed? Get it
>>out of you, whatever is bothering you so , this obviously isn't
>>helping.
>
> ==============
> ROTFLMAO Obviously your diet is really screwing you up. Better get some
> good food in you, fast.

At a certain stage of malnutrition, the brain crosses a point of no return. I
fear it's too late for him. I don't know his age, but his mental and emotional
maturity will be forever stunted due to his eating disorder. He's like Forrest
Gump, only slower.

I've never tried turips raw, never liked them cooked but I guess they might
taste better in thier natural state. I love Jicama when I'm craving starchy
foods, either by itself or cubed in a salad. I almost always have about a
1/2 cup of sprouted lentils (five days old, with green leaves), they are my
favorite sprout and really help make a salad satisfying. I would have to say
next to Jicama my favorite vegetables are asparagus (the fresher and thicker
the better), romaine hearts, cabbage and celery hearts. Some of my other
favorites are snap & snow peas (fresh from the garden are to die for!) green
& yellow beans, raw corn on the cobb (not too much at a time, too much
sweetness ruins the salad) parsley, dill (incredible flavor enhancer)
cauliflower, dandelion (if not in my salad always in my juice)
methi, chayote, water cress.....vegetables rock!


"Kate Pugh" > wrote in message
...
> Veg Love > wrote:
> > [...] when I eat veggies it is usually a very diverse sald with flax
> > oil and dulse along with a large glass of green vegetable juice.
>
> Yes! Seaweeds are very very nice in salad. What other things do you
> put in? Grated raw turnip is surprisingly nice. Avocado is a good
> addition, of course, and soaked almonds - both of those also make a
> good dressing, if you grind the almonds.
>
> Kake
>
>

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> rick etter wrote:
> <...>
> >>Glad to see your "arguement" reduced to the mere spite that it is.
> >>Also, it's nice that you worry about my self-image, however that sort
> >>of concern is negative energy -save it for your "signifcant ones" - I
> >>have no use for it.
> >>
> >>Can't you go kick a cat or something, maybe have one de-clawed? Get it
> >>out of you, whatever is bothering you so , this obviously isn't
> >>helping.
> >
> > ==============
> > ROTFLMAO Obviously your diet is really screwing you up. Better get
some
> > good food in you, fast.
>
> At a certain stage of malnutrition, the brain crosses a point of no
return. I
> fear it's too late for him. I don't know his age, but his mental and
emotional
> maturity will be forever stunted due to his eating disorder. He's like
Forrest
> Gump, only slower.
> ==================
His momma should have told him to eat that box o choc-o-lates....

were you interested in more than name calling and appearing to know
all there is to know on nutrition, you might pick up that i said
vitamins were dead and hence cooking a carrot will show more of these
things you hold in such high esteem. Fact is, they won't do as much
for you, carrot have the same percentage of proteins as human breast
milk, just the wrong ones.

Mind, you, i enjoy how you revert to apersonl appeal to my well-being
when you are stumped.

Yuo missed what i said about cabbage being the chinese word for
vegetable -that alone ought to harken some logic deep within your
protein bound cranium, but it doesn't seem likely at this point.

You hide your email address.
Can't you take the heat in this forum? or are you the one sending
those viruses?

Your deconstructive technique can make any text look quite silly.

I do not use it on you, i do not care to convince you.

Why do you insist on "educating" me? I refute your opinion. And, my
bloodwork is done monthly, my doctor, who is also a vegetarian can't
explain why no deficiencies are showing up on my four vegetable diet.
You try to tell me this isn't so. Are you claiming psychic powers or
what?

And your position would be much more discernable if not decent without
all thet petty name-calling. you've never had to deal in really tough
business, that's for sure- maybe if you're lucky, you'll be hired.

You are easily angered. You twist phrases hoping no one notices.

This hardly endears you to anyone. Motive? I'd have to go with status
insecurites. textbook case, or did you only read the vitamin bible?

You make a mockery of the fact that humans have on record a story
about diet problems long before meat. Really, hamburger wasn't
invented then? Good thing you're here to correct "errors" like that.

"soapless" > wrote in message
om...
> Your deconstructive technique can make any text look quite silly.
>
> I do not use it on you, i do not care to convince you.
>
> Why do you insist on "educating" me? I refute your opinion. And, my
> bloodwork is done monthly, my doctor, who is also a vegetarian can't
> explain why no deficiencies are showing up on my four vegetable diet.

Get a second opinion.

-Rubystars

hopeless wrote:
<...>
> Why do you insist on "educating" me? I refute your opinion.

You haven't yet, moron.

<...>

usual suspect > wrote in message >...
> hopeless wrote:
> <...>
> > Why do you insist on "educating" me? I refute your opinion.
>
> You haven't yet, moron.
>
> <...>


As far as i can make out, you are opposed to my "position". I eat four
raw vegetables. this is all i have stated. your infuriated response
indicates you would like me to go back to eating lots of stuff i don't
need, and cooking it as well. no amount of badgering will accompklish
this, as they say in business "you get more bees with honey", nor will
links, or outdated educations.

hapless wrote:
<...>
> As far as i can make out,

Keep eating your peculiar diet and you won't be able to make out. You won't have
enough zinc, Mr Blanks.

> you are opposed to my "position".

Nope. I showed that your eating disorder leads to deficiencies.

> I eat four raw vegetables.

That's not what dieticians mean by "a varied diet."

> this is all i have stated. your infuriated response
> indicates you would like me to go back to eating lots of stuff i don't
> need, and cooking it as well.

I don't care what you eat or whether or not you cook it. You made statements
about the nutritional values of your four foods. I showed you that your
statements are quantitatively wrong. Your eating disorder is your own business,
but don't blame others for addressing its deficiencies when you raise the issue
and peddle your eating disorder as "good." It's not.

> no amount of badgering will accompklish
> this, as they say in business "you get more bees with honey", nor will
> links,

I accept the fact that your mind is closed and facts are irrelevant to you. I am
not badgering you. I am correcting your flawed advocacy of an eating disorder in
the hopes that others who read it will not enjoy your self-inflicted fate.

> or outdated educations.

I accept the fact that your mind is closed and that valid scientific and
nutritional information is beyond your abilities. Little wonder given your
self-inflicted state of malnourishment.

au, contriare, patronizing person. [see? i name called just show you
how steamed i get]

You say i'll be deficient in zinc [you forgot calcium too], but i
don't process the nitrogen you do, as i avoid uneeded proteins. Your
level of reference does not include the effects of the valences of
nitrogen found mainly in proteins, nor do you approach any topic from
any perspective than that of a nutritionist.

Protein folding. Surf it. When you can speak on protein and enzymes,
you won't say much, like the real experts. The extreme complexities
of mapping proteins may give you less stock in what today's
nutrtionists are saying about it. Biology researchers have much more
respect for the subject.

Consider how few foods are made available for each species of life.

If you are a shark, perhaps the oldest "fish", or simply don't know
what to eat, then yes, i'll grant you need "a varied diet".

Our evolution obviously took another path. i have to stress this word
obvious with you as you place so much stock in scribble you are not
qualified to decipher as you avoid math and logic. It ought to seem as
obvious that we should eat everything as it does to not. Even to you.

I do not reccomend peopls attempt what i am doing , and do not say
take my word for it - don't accuse me of that in the future, though
you have in the past. This is what i have done alone: reduced my diet
to what i believe to be all we ever really needed. It takes an
inordinate amount of time to explain why; the references are too
numerous for me to try to convince people. However it may sound
reasonable to some, and if i don't drop dead in mid-post they may
think i'm on to something. That's why i've stopped saying exactly what
i eat as it only sustains omnivores when they sicken anyway . Let's
keep it a secret. Glad you are so interested, but i don't need the
insults.

Anthropology, the bible, the vedics, natives, hindus, etc in short
-study all culture, religions before you speak on food. Most of it is
condradictory and you can throw all that out. Very little is left. For
example did you know that the hindus believe garlic and onions to
aggravate sexual impluses? i expect you to scoff at this for some
reason. I have read rooms full of books more than you. Keep posting,
we'll write one together but you won't like it.

Yes, you have changed to meatless, but you see no further change in
order. Try doing without soap for the sake of the environment OR
PETROLEUM. i may seem close minded to you , but not to the lifeforms i
don't eat. It is just as cruel to deny a bean the full life it was
given as it is to abort a fetus. So, SEX IS FOR MAKING BABIES and when
possible i crap out tomatoe seeds i have not chewed, but swallowed on
the ground where they grow happily, and i ask very carefully when i
may have one. They like that, or i like that or i think they might
like that - heckle away when you see a reasonably soft spot. Loving
your food takes on a whole new meaning when it is alive and you don't
kill it by consuming the fruit that was meant for your species.


... if you spend a number of years in the research of not only
nutrition, but anthropology, zoology, genetics, chemisty modern and
organic, but most importantly math [for the logic} the logistics,
semiology [symbolism], programming, you might think diffently about
the value of another's study in sciences that are rapidly
specializing. Theories, opinions change but obviousness remains.

Six billion of us continuing to eat whatever we like and not consider
initial conditions\restraints only belies how intoxicated the
overabundances of the land of dwindling plenty has made this race of
gobblers. It's senseless and not sustainable. We do make mistakes.
Remember asbestos? The atomic bomb? Some things , as powerful as they
make you feel, just aren't good for anybody and have to be given them
up.

Sure we can eat the wrong proteins and reassemble them without
enzymes. I did it for years. It is common for cooked food eaters to
spend 70% of their total chemical energy on digestion alone. I think i
feel better than you because of the anger factor - protein related.

Our original veggies. It is the protein profile, if you like science,
that you'll find most convincing. Nine proteins we don't\can't make
internally, now where are they? Excess protein comsumption leaches all
sorts of elements, so i can see how you might think i'm losing zinc.
Nutrition used to have neat studies going, but got stifled on protein
fifteen years back, as it is a pervasive element in the huge food
industry. They do speak of the sedative effects of common processed
foods, though this sort of info gets sued out of publicationI'm more
worried about mass extinction, suddenly mutated frogs, and stupid
energy consumption like streetlights. First thing i did in this
apartment was unplug the fridge. Veg*nism is a drop in the bucket. To
atone for the sins of homo sapiens - coral reef devastation, forest
devastation, really it's pocket-book devastation - one has to be
frugal, and we just aren't conditioned for that in the first world.

I found the anti-consumerism folk the most reasonable bunch out there
when saving lives is the issue. We deserve to be run by the worst of
us for what we\they did to this planet and it's rightful inhabitants.
By that i mean decency. There has never been a more perverse, sadistic
lifeform than humans. they honestly believe that they were meant to
lord over the planet and eat whatever they can cook into less of a
poison.

dickless wrote:
<...>
> I do not reccomend peopls attempt what i am doing

Good, on that we agree. Eating disorders are to be avoided.

<...>
> Anthropology, the bible, the vedics, natives, hindus, etc in short
> -study all culture, religions before you speak on food.

I have.

> Most of it is
> condradictory and you can throw all that out. Very little is left. For
> example did you know that the hindus believe garlic and onions to
> aggravate sexual impluses?

Yes. We've discussed it in this newsgroup before. Imagine that, nitwit. The
following link is to that thread from this group at Google:
http://snipurl.com/5wbb

> i expect you to scoff at this for some
> reason.

I scoff that you'd scoff, you stupid little prick.

> I have read rooms full of books more than you.

Too bad you haven't learned much from them.

<...>
> Yes, you have changed to meatless, but you see no further change in
> order.

You don't know what I see or don't see, moron.

> Try doing without soap

No, gfy. You can be all smeggy if you want, just stay off my furniture.

> for the sake of the environment OR
> PETROLEUM.

My soap is made from olive oil, nitwit. There's no petroleum in it.

> i may seem close minded to you

Close minded? Kind of. Stupid? Very.

<...>
> I found the anti-consumerism folk the most reasonable bunch out there
> when saving lives is the issue.

I have found the opposite to be the case. They're unreasonable and they cost
lives, not save them.

> We deserve to be run by the worst of
> us for what we\they did to this planet and it's rightful inhabitants.
> By that i mean decency. There has never been a more perverse, sadistic
> lifeform than humans. they honestly believe that they were meant to
> lord over the planet and eat whatever they can cook into less of a
> poison.

You're a misanthrope.

"soapless" > wrote in message
<snip>
> If you are a shark, perhaps the oldest "fish", or simply don't know
> what to eat, then yes, i'll grant you need "a varied diet".
>
> Our evolution obviously took another path.
<snip>

http://www.ri.net/schools/Newport/TM...nniefinal.html

"There are over 125 species of plants in their diet. They eat the things
that come off the trees and plants like leaves, buds, bark, nuts and fruits.
Sixty to sixty-five percent of their diet is fruits. They will also use
leaves as sponges to scoop up water for drinking.
In addition to plants, chimpanzees also eat insects. Ants and termites are
the chimpanzees' favorite insects. They catch the termites by putting a
blade of grass or sticks into the insects' nest. Then they eat the insects
off the stick with their teeth. They may also trap passing ants by hanging a
stick from a tree.

Although chimpanzees only eat meat occasionally, they may eat 25 species of
animals. These include red colobus monkeys, baboons, rodents and other small
animals. They share the meat they caught with the group they travel with.
Two other kinds they eat are bush pigs and bush bucks, but they do not eat
these very often."



Sounds pretty varied to me.



-Rubystars

Rubystars wrote:
>>If you are a shark, perhaps the oldest "fish", or simply don't know
>>what to eat, then yes, i'll grant you need "a varied diet".
>>
>>Our evolution obviously took another path.
>
> <snip>
>
> http://www.ri.net/schools/Newport/TM...nniefinal.html
>
> "There are over 125 species of plants in their diet. They eat the things
> that come off the trees and plants like leaves, buds, bark, nuts and fruits.
> Sixty to sixty-five percent of their diet is fruits. They will also use
> leaves as sponges to scoop up water for drinking.
> In addition to plants, chimpanzees also eat insects. Ants and termites are
> the chimpanzees' favorite insects. They catch the termites by putting a
> blade of grass or sticks into the insects' nest. Then they eat the insects
> off the stick with their teeth. They may also trap passing ants by hanging a
> stick from a tree.
>
> Although chimpanzees only eat meat occasionally, they may eat 25 species of
> animals. These include red colobus monkeys, baboons, rodents and other small
> animals. They share the meat they caught with the group they travel with.
> Two other kinds they eat are bush pigs and bush bucks, but they do not eat
> these very often."
>
> Sounds pretty varied to me.

It is, but will such facts matter to someone who willfully and religiously
malnourishes himself? He's demonstrated only contempt for facts before.

> Why not?

Have a look at all the totally screwed up human species. I don't need to
hide the flavour of The Food I eat with toxic drugs a.k.a "condiments"
because I actually do like _food_ - so no need for disguises or a bad drug
habit.

> That happens when you intentionally malnourish yourself.

It was not intentional, it was experimental - seems you can read peoples
minds via email?? Do you read palms as well?

> By "any symptoms" do you mean only those which are manifestly observable
thus
> far? The presence of manifestly observable myelin/axon damage isn't a
symptom,

Well it is according to p.43 of "Thorsons Complete Guide to Vitamins and
Minerals". It lists "symptoms" as 1) smooth, sore tongue 2) Nerve
degeneration causing tremors, psychosis, mental deterioraion 3) menstrual
disorders 4) hand pigmentation 5) typical symptoms of anaemia

> it's the presence of disease.

Symptom is just another word for "sign" right? I had no signs of disease. I
hope that is not too hard for you to understand.

> Keep playing Russian roulette with your food and you'll find out what
disease
> it's a symptom of.

So you can determine my nutritional status by email and think you can
predict the future! I had my diet checked over 5 years ago by a
nutritionist. Is was fine, however usual thing of vitamin B12 and D
suggested for supplement. I have had 2 medicals since I went raw, both very
positive - these included MRI scans, cardio assessments and blood chemistry.
Urine MMA was poor, not unexpected.

Unfortunately since all the other human experiments with diet seem to
indicate a horrible failure, one is forced to experiment and look for
something better.

> Another sign of poor health.

No a sign of lack of sunshine, and no there was no "ill health" - I have
felt very well all along.

> Why is being "vegan" more important to you than being "healthy"?

You really do think you can read minds? Being raw vegan is being healthy, at
least if you can plan the diet well and avoid deficiency. If you look at the
wide variety of human cultures and their bizarre and totally unnatural
eating behaviours you always get the same result, they are all sick, and so
fairly uniformly invent irrational medical systems, magic/witchcraft, toxic
medical drugs, herbology etc. So it seems a 100% failure rate. The other
species eat all their food raw, and seem not to get rampant chronic
degenerative diseases or even those common human "minor ailments".

> Many people also naturally enjoy meat, eggs, and dairy.

What is natural about humans eating that crud? Why are these supposed
"foods" always condimented if they are so enjoyable? My Mum was something of
an expert in her attempts to disguise meat and fish. With eggs I used to
plaster them with salt and pepper because of the nasty falvour, and I hated
the texture as well.

> A little bit of some of
> those and your deficiencies will diminish.

Meat, eggs and dairy will not get you the vitamin D you need, although dairy
might do a reasonable job of improving B12, meat may not. I've always
detested animal products, even since I was about 7. I am lactose
intollerant, strange you didn't devine that through your modem? Eggs make my
shit stink, the guy at work next to me eats boiled eggs all the time, I gag
if he lets one off. The only animal product I really "enjoyed" was cheese,
but then since dairy is loaded with opioids, and cheese with salt, hardly
surprising it can hit the spot. Of course, it never went down too well and
resulted in constipation and I think also seems to promote dick cheese and
foot cheese, something I found seems to be caused by consuming concentrated
proteins, along with bad BO.

> Why not get the vitamins you need as they naturally occur in foods instead
of
> artificially from pills?

I agree with this in principle, but the things you suggest are not natural
for humans. I use a B12 solution, not a pill, and sometimes likewise for
vitamin D tho my regular dose is 3-4 of Freedas pills.

I do what I do because the results are better. I gave up doing irrational
dogma and tradition years ago in favour of an experimental/experiential
approach. I didn't expect it to be perfect, but it beats cooked food eating
hands down TOTALLY. The whole cooked food/human phenomena is part of the
fake destructive humanity, there is no evidence it is healthy or necessary
to eat cooked food or animal products - what you get with that, is a species
of ugly sick and destructive cretins.

Regurgitating a little textbook nutritional dogma is not a cookie cutter to
understanding real health.

John C

> more offspring. Masturbation does not increase the number of offspring an
> animal has, or help in survival.

I doubt that, there are health benefits to masturbation (or at least
ejaculation), and I recall that includes reproductive health - I'll check on
that.

But personally I like a good **** for some variety

John C

> Masturbation plays no significant role in evolution since evolution is a
> long-range process of change within a species. Masturbation is
self-stimulation
> within a short-term. How does masturbation affect offspring, other than
there
> being no complementary gamete involved?

Oh come (***?) on a guy who knows how to masturbate a woman well, might
get more chances of the full on.

Humans have complex social interactions that will not allow their evolution
to be reduced to a few simple logic assertions. Bonobos are at it all the
time with mutual masturbation - do you really believe that plays no part in
their evolution?

John C

"We have reason to believe that man first walked upright to free his
hands for masturbation." -- Lily Tomlin

> Yes, you have. Your whole raw food fad is a quasi-religion.

Raw food is eaten by all species on earth apart from a few self destructive,
brain dead and diseased humans, so hardly a "fad". Cooking and processing
food is certainly a cult and a fad in evolutionary terms.

Although there certainly is a quasi religious raw movement around, not all
raw folk are members of these cults, most I know are not. I am certainly
not, and much prefer a logical and factually supportable platform.

John C

> > Why do you insist on "educating" me? I refute your opinion. And, my
> > bloodwork is done monthly, my doctor, who is also a vegetarian can't
> > explain why no deficiencies are showing up on my four vegetable diet.
>
> Get a second opinion.

A lab bloodwork isn't opinion, it is science. Of course, nutritionally
educated dogmatists don't like science because the facts confuse the
faithful.

John C

> You haven't yet, moron.

Actually it seems that the bloodwork did.

Try reading the post again, and refrain from the ad hominem, it doesn't "ad
credibility".

John C