to cut the crossposts moron

****WIT David Harrison wrote:

> Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:22:57 GMT "Jonathan Ball" wrote:
>
>
>>The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people.
>
>
> These items which contain animal by-products are used in
> the production of food:

Correction, ****WIT: those items which MAY contain
animal by-products.

> If "farm animals aren't necessary to feed people",

They aren't.

"Miller" > wrote in message
...
>

snippage...
>
> After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
==============
Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.


>
> Scott
>
>

"rick etter" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Miller" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
>
> snippage...
> >
> > After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
> ==============
> Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
>
>

Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:

"The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."

Then we have:

"These items which contain animal by-products are used in
the production of food:"

followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal by-products.
The idea seems to be to show some sort of prooof that makes the original
snippage false. But the author fails, since thge original point is that
farm animals are not necessary to feed people. There is no claim sited
concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The list of
things that supposedly have no "vegan alternative" is moot.

Scott

"Miller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "rick etter" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Miller" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> >
> > snippage...
> > >
> > > After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
> > ==============
> > Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
> >
> >
>
> Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:
>
> "The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."
>
> Then we have:
>
> "These items which contain animal by-products are used in
> the production of food:"
>
> followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal by-products.
> The idea seems to be to show some sort of prooof that makes the original
> snippage false. But the author fails, since thge original point is that
> farm animals are not necessary to feed people. There is no claim sited
> concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The list
of
> things that supposedly have no "vegan alternative" is moot.
================
Nice tap-dance, but as I stated, veganism is *not* a diet. So, why the
concern with only what you eat?
Some need to try and ignore the rest of your bloody footprints?

"rick etter" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Miller" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "rick etter" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Miller" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > >
> > > snippage...
> > > >
> > > > After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
> > > ==============
> > > Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:
> >
> > "The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."
> >
> > Then we have:
> >
> > "These items which contain animal by-products are used in
> > the production of food:"
> >
> > followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal
by-products.
> > The idea seems to be to show some sort of prooof that makes the original
> > snippage false. But the author fails, since thge original point is that
> > farm animals are not necessary to feed people. There is no claim sited
> > concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The list
> of
> > things that supposedly have no "vegan alternative" is moot.
> ================
> Nice tap-dance, but as I stated, veganism is *not* a diet. So, why the
> concern with only what you eat?
> Some need to try and ignore the rest of your bloody footprints?
>
>
>

Fascinating.

Scott

> wrote in message
...
> Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:22:57 GMT "Jonathan Ball" wrote:
>
> >The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people.
>
> These items which contain animal by-products are used in
> the production of food:
> __________________________________________________ _______
> Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
> Antifreeze
>
> http://www.aif.org/lvstock.htm
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> __________________________________________________ _______
> Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
> Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance greases, brake fluid
>
> http://www.teachfree.com/student/wow_that_cow.htm
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> __________________________________________________ _______
> cleaning and polishing compounds,
> glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC
>
> http://www.discover.com/aug_01/featcow.html
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> __________________________________________________ _______
> Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
> Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape,
> Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and
> Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape,
> Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
>
> http://www.sheepusa.org/environment/products.shtml
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> If "farm animals aren't necessary to feed people", then give us
> examples of your vegan alternatives to these products which
> contain animal by-products and are used in the production of
> food.
>

None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.

Not so quick wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:22:57 GMT "Jonathan Ball" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people.
>>
>> These items which contain animal by-products are used in
>>the production of food:
>>________________________________________________ _________
>>Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
>>Antifreeze
>>
>>http://www.aif.org/lvstock.htm
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>________________________________________________ _________
>>Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
>>Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance greases, brake fluid
>>
>>http://www.teachfree.com/student/wow_that_cow.htm
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>________________________________________________ _________
>>cleaning and polishing compounds,
>>glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC
>>
>>http://www.discover.com/aug_01/featcow.html
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>________________________________________________ _________
>>Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
>>Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape,
>>Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and
>>Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape,
>>Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
>>
>>http://www.sheepusa.org/environment/products.shtml
>>¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>>If "farm animals aren't necessary to feed people", then give us
>>examples of your vegan alternatives to these products which
>>contain animal by-products and are used in the production of
>>food.
>>
>
>
> None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.

You're right! This comes as no big surprise; David
****WIT Harrison never knows what he's talking about.

"Not so quick" > wrote in message
news:BHpKb.101624$pY.31634@fed1read04...


> None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.
>
>

No, but the argument is. Veganism isn't just a dietary concern. It's a life
choice. A total life choice and one that, despite what most of you may
think, I respect.

Just as long as its praticioners understand that if they live in modern
society and enjoy its luxuries, they can never be truly Vegan. They can
reduce their imapct upon the worl'sanimals to a point, but after that point
they must start making serious sacrifices. And I'm not talking about eating
and wearing animals products, either. I'm talking about modern medicines and
medical technology, most if not all of which are tested upon animals. I'm
talking about petrochemical products, which are produced at the expense of
animal lives. Every synthetic fiber and piece of plastic ever used was made
with petrochemicals. Do you have any idea how many animals are killed every
year by oil accidents? How many birds every year fly into transmission
lines?

No, if you live in this society and enjoy its luxuries, you can never be a
true Vegan. You can choose not to eat animal products.You can choose not to
wear animals products. But every time you fire up your car, turn on a light
or don a nylon jacket, you're making use of something that was created at
the expense of animal lives. And you have no right whatsoever to call
non-vegans "murderers" or "animal abusers".

Doc

drdoody wrote:

> "Not so quick" > wrote in message
> news:BHpKb.101624$pY.31634@fed1read04...
>
>
>
>>None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.
>>
>>
>
>
> No, but the argument is. Veganism isn't just a dietary concern. It's a life
> choice. A total life choice and one that, despite what most of you may
> think, I respect.

Everything you write following provides the rationale
for *not* respecting it. It is a fundamentally
dishonest and hypocritical "lifestyle". I do not
respect sanctimonious hypocrites, and that's exactly
what all "vegan" are.

>
> Just as long as its praticioners understand that if they live in modern
> society and enjoy its luxuries, they can never be truly Vegan. They can
> reduce their imapct upon the worl'sanimals to a point, but after that point
> they must start making serious sacrifices. And I'm not talking about eating
> and wearing animals products, either. I'm talking about modern medicines and
> medical technology, most if not all of which are tested upon animals. I'm
> talking about petrochemical products, which are produced at the expense of
> animal lives. Every synthetic fiber and piece of plastic ever used was made
> with petrochemicals. Do you have any idea how many animals are killed every
> year by oil accidents? How many birds every year fly into transmission
> lines?
>
> No, if you live in this society and enjoy its luxuries, you can never be a
> true Vegan. You can choose not to eat animal products.You can choose not to
> wear animals products. But every time you fire up your car, turn on a light
> or don a nylon jacket, you're making use of something that was created at
> the expense of animal lives. And you have no right whatsoever to call
> non-vegans "murderers" or "animal abusers".
>
> Doc
>
>

I'm from Las Vegas and I represent that remark.


"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> drdoody wrote:
>
> > "Not so quick" > wrote in message
> > news:BHpKb.101624$pY.31634@fed1read04...
> >
> >
> >
> >>None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > No, but the argument is. Veganism isn't just a dietary concern. It's a
life
> > choice. A total life choice and one that, despite what most of you may
> > think, I respect.
>
> Everything you write following provides the rationale
> for *not* respecting it. It is a fundamentally
> dishonest and hypocritical "lifestyle". I do not
> respect sanctimonious hypocrites, and that's exactly
> what all "vegan" are.
>
> >
> > Just as long as its praticioners understand that if they live in modern
> > society and enjoy its luxuries, they can never be truly Vegan. They can
> > reduce their imapct upon the worl'sanimals to a point, but after that
point
> > they must start making serious sacrifices. And I'm not talking about
eating
> > and wearing animals products, either. I'm talking about modern medicines
and
> > medical technology, most if not all of which are tested upon animals.
I'm
> > talking about petrochemical products, which are produced at the expense
of
> > animal lives. Every synthetic fiber and piece of plastic ever used was
made
> > with petrochemicals. Do you have any idea how many animals are killed
every
> > year by oil accidents? How many birds every year fly into transmission
> > lines?
> >
> > No, if you live in this society and enjoy its luxuries, you can never be
a
> > true Vegan. You can choose not to eat animal products.You can choose not
to
> > wear animals products. But every time you fire up your car, turn on a
light
> > or don a nylon jacket, you're making use of something that was created
at
> > the expense of animal lives. And you have no right whatsoever to call
> > non-vegans "murderers" or "animal abusers".
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
>

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:53:17 -0500, "Miller" > wrote:

>
>"rick etter" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Miller" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>>
>> snippage...
>> >
>> > After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
>> ==============
>> Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
>>
>>
>
>Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:
>
>"The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."
>
>Then we have:
>
>"These items which contain animal by-products are used in
>the production of food:"
>
>followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal by-products.
>The idea seems to be to show some sort of prooof that makes the original
>snippage false. But the author fails, since thge original point is that
>farm animals are not necessary to feed people. There is no claim sited
>concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The list of
>things that supposedly have no "vegan alternative" is moot.
>
>Scott

You need to show how the food we now enjoy which is produced
using things which contain animal by-products like:
__________________________________________________ _______
Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
Antifreeze

http://www.aif.org/lvstock.htm
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
__________________________________________________ _______
Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance greases, brake fluid

http://www.teachfree.com/student/wow_that_cow.htm
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
__________________________________________________ _______
cleaning and polishing compounds,
glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC

http://www.discover.com/aug_01/featcow.html
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
__________________________________________________ _______
Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape,
Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and
Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape,
Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings

http://www.sheepusa.org/environment/products.shtml
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
can be produced using vegan alternatives to the tires, paints,
paper, glass, etc... which are feeding people at this time.

wrote in message >. ..
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:53:17 -0500, "Miller" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"rick etter" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> "Miller" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >>
> >> snippage...
> >> >
> >> > After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
> >> ==============
> >> Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:
> >
> >"The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."
> >
> >Then we have:
> >
> >"These items which contain animal by-products are used in
> >the production of food:"
> >
> >followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal by-products.
> >The idea seems to be to show some sort of prooof that makes the original
> >snippage false. But the author fails, since thge original point is that
> >farm animals are not necessary to feed people. There is no claim sited
> >concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The list of
> >things that supposedly have no "vegan alternative" is moot.
> >
> >Scott
>
> You need to show how the food we now enjoy which is produced
> using things which contain animal by-products like:
> __________________________________________________ _______
> Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
> Antifreeze
>
> http://www.aif.org/lvstock.htm
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> __________________________________________________ _______
> Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
> Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance greases, brake fluid
>
> http://www.teachfree.com/student/wow_that_cow.htm
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> __________________________________________________ _______
> cleaning and polishing compounds,
> glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC
>
> http://www.discover.com/aug_01/featcow.html
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> __________________________________________________ _______
> Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
> Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape,
> Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and
> Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape,
> Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
>
> http://www.sheepusa.org/environment/products.shtml
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> can be produced using vegan alternatives to the tires, paints,
> paper, glass, etc... which are feeding people at this time.

Try your links again. None of them work.

....but this all babylon death trip fool (s).

Either you change and live in balance with the sacred mother witch or
you and your personnel families will die in some sort of horrific
overheating.

....I think that it's going to be pretty close anyhow.

....seeing as this paradym is a factor of ritual rascist child abuse
(christianity). yes really plastic pervs.

Furthur exponention.....

Hello,

‘Don’t ch’a know it’s just paranoia,
(incorrect)

Don’t ch’a know nothing can destroy you’ (POSSIBLY
correct)

as the Davead Alaen (from Gong) song goes.

It’s not just paranoia, Christian vampire system – the
pathogenic disease that calls itself Christianity, or perhaps
‘westworld’ would be a more appropriate description,
really does have a evil pseudo occult basis. (now you know!), read on
sacred mother earth lovers…



Commenting about the 'falling out' amongst the famous (UK, Luton
based) exodus collective core members... (http://www.squall.co.uk/)

1/Its crucial to remember that anyone doing this sort of thing
(attempting to create a community empowerment, rather than police
state) inevitably
attracts what the First Nation people of American call 'bad medicine'.

2/ (obviously), Jah Warriors are not limited to a collective/town in
Bedfordshire!

As a 'independent' Jah Warrior, the spiritual attacks that I have come
under
are just incredible, and all this is bound to interplay.

The Exodus prophecy, works throughout space and time on power abusers,
(sending 'the pharaoh' into a nightmare increasing at a increasing
rate', as we TRANSEND to mount ZION/TRIBAL SOVERIGNTY (yes thats all
that it REALLY actually means)...anyone or group channelling this
energy in a relevant society IS BOUND to be subject to malign
influences.... To wake up the whole community is bound to cosmic
consciousness is bound to be a problem for 'Christian system'....
money/exploit/deal/rape......and these
negative influences channel through unexpected vessels.... not just
the
pigs! You are correct (Glenn, A spokeman for the collective) to
identify drug dealers as (secondary)
negative influences....they have their little money making empires to
protect. Lets be honest the 'convoy’s’ (UK hippy
travellers) main business at present is from
drug dealing. This must change. Jah sees.



MOST IMPORTANTLY, I also have this important and scary testament to
share - direct first witness evidence concerning the actual nature of
the
'evil power' that 'we' are dealing with.

I met an amazing mixed race woman (she is actually Tibet reincarnation
also, horrifyingly) through a mutual interest in
protesting...the actual issue being waste incinerators. After 2 years
of
phone calls and writing, I went to meet her in Cornwall, where she
lives
with her small girl child. We went on a reggae night out and returned
home
drunk and stoned (on 'punter' i.e. bought for money hash), falling
into bed
and making love. As we fell asleep together, united as one, we
encounted a
terrifying energy, as a 'white ball'. (I think something to do with
the christian anti pagan witch inquisition) Attacking this together,
being also
(obviously) linked with my faithful hound 'ting', who on the floor
beside
us, (but constantly in the dreamspace with me) the paralysing fear was
broken, we both woke up. Now, she had already
told me ov some of her child hood experiences, but this informal
'shamanic'
trip freed her to speak. She told me that as a child, in a council
housing
estate in Portsmouth, she was subjected to the most horrific torture.
Underneath her bedroom carpet there was a pentagram (with various
symbols
around the points). She was on regular occasions, and over a number of
years, put inside this pentagram and sexually tortured (she did not
tell me
the details of these). Bowls of shit were placed around the room. Her
mother
(Indian) and step dad collaborated with this senario, and the (step)
white
kids of the family were not subject to this abuse. The people that
were the
abusers were police/authority/'big wigs'. Secrecy surrounded all of
this
sick pseudo occult torture. It is how the 'game' of the Christian
freemason
patriarchal system/mindcontrol , nay, reality control even! is
created. Basically total degradation was shown to this child ov
colour. Christian system really
is a vampire. Jah sees. It seemed to be some sort of psychic fear link
with
the inquisition...some ****ing awful bad Christian karma. I think
actually
that her spirit flew into the goddess, it created a 'scitzaphreia' a
separation from the goddess, by these acts of total mother
hating...anti
tribal, anti goddess. The interesting thing is that the
‘trip’ we went on together, into this evil karmic route
through space and time to the inquisition, opened out through these
rituals, was achieved because of the use of ‘paid for money
hashish’. If the has had been given, we would have just had a
good trip together, and that would be that….but I wouldn’t
have found out this information, and be able to share it with you
all…but more generally people, please BEWARE paid for money
drugs let negative energies into your domain.

Blessed be!

Jah sees!

Since then, I've been to India, and realised many things. What it is
like to
be Tibetan Royalty in a culture/community that does not seek to make
Tibetans ... thinking particularly of the reincarnated Tibetan family
traveller 'Peace Convoy', into societies scapegoats, (obviously they
are
actually really , schizophrenically externalising onto deep dark
mother
goddess tribe/s what is actually part ov there own making!) but
instead ...
it's very difficult to describe...errm total and huge
respect!...psychic...reality generator...new landscapes even! The
British
freemason's scenario is sort of diametrically opposite to the Tibetan
magical
scenario. Ultimate evil, contrasting with ultimate good! It is
important to
realise, that despite the horror of this knowledge, and the
realisation of
what these rituals manifest as...many problems in society, hidden,
from the
mainstream consciousness/awareness, (and revealed by such as the
exodus
movement...thus the counteraction of 'bad medicine')....and the
rape/destruction of the sacred mother earth, and the arms dealing and
colonialisation and the racism, and all of it originating from a
hidden
nightmare, resulting in this seemingly 'fixed' reality, and ruthlessly
alienated overindividualistic society...with a load of plastic ******
freemasons riding on all of this abuse at the top... The demon vampire
scum
that call themselves the Windsor’s being the head of the British
freemasons....(and a load of 'very helpful' , disrespectful egoising
little
drongo's, snapping around yer ankles, trying to disrupt Jah Warriors
from
channelling the positive reality!!!). However karma is moving on, it
is the
end of this era of anti mother fear, and when the fear power is
broken, JAH
LIVE!
.....the fixed nature of reality is no more...one/we entire shapeshift
world,
a world of magic. Blessed be! I should also say, the Tibetan
connection here
that this woman, Jayne, is a tribal Tibetan shapeshift witch, when
coming
together in love (as we moved together) this generates a energy that
changes
the whole of the external reality...and creates a reality change that
immediately puts the authorities into what amounts to a chaos trap (or
exodus!), they immediately attack this reality, attempting to send the
channel/s into fear, thus regaining the status quo. It can be totally
enraging when this happens! The important thing to remember is that it
is an
inevitable process! The tide coming in! They are ****ed! I find that a
outlet for 'the rage' and a positive sacrament is 'PIXYING'...I've
pixied
literally hundreds of earth raping machines (usually on my own), and
the
Goddess and the Creator protects, if necessary by changing space and
time!...regardless of here and now. All is not what it seems. OM
shanti! OM
shiva shanti shiva, OM shanti shanti shakti!
I do this pixying by just dropping some nearby mother earth into the
fuel
tanks, ideally the central supply tanker...note all kinds of
operations can
be targeted, don't get stuck on roadworks, use you imagination. OM
Shiva!

OM SHANTI!

Bear all this in mind exodus collective, stay strong and try (I know
myself
that this can be difficult in the circumstances) to stay peaceful. It
is
always 'Christian system’s game to try and lower or break the
degree of our
magical powers...that are strongest with purity, non violence. I in my
own
family have the problem that black born again, pentacostalists (my
brother
in law) are basing their reality around my 'attempted'
scapegoating...the
actual physic process is terrifying, unbelievably disrespectful and
just
plain stupid. Christianity is a white supremacists 'trick', be it
white or
black Christianity. Its incredible to see the other side of the coin
to
these rituals being channelled in your own family, literally how the
(western, usually white skin) ego is 'constructed' in the small
child....literally how the ego is made!...by pushing native tribal
people/witches/spiritual channels into total psychic fear! Loads of
new age
scenarios are the same, scapegoating egoists...worse than the Nazi's!
These forces will fail. reality will change.

Many bright blessings and good health to his Holiness the Dalai Lama,
sublime being ov luminous white light!

Tibetan warrior, Ling Gesar, King of Amdo, a province of Tibet,
Supposedly
reincarnating as the REAL Arthur pendragon, as part of the cosmic
'game plan' to rebalance tribal karma in the 'new age'..if / when this
happens it will be a totally, and I mean TOTALLY different
reality....we are talking huge psychic
powers...anyone who has been to India will know that
Side’s/witches have
these powers naturally, and it is merely the above described nature ov
Christianity that reduces us to disempowered unbelieving zombies.
However. With the discovery of this knowledge, of the ritualistic rape
of our selves, in the aspect of deep Danna, it seems likely that the
whole of westworld will go into the tribal goddess reality to heal.


Speaking personally it would really be very nice if the 'local crew'
to myself in north
Wales would donate a decent amount of cannabis to myself instead of
'freezing up', putting on a front, attempting to crucially subjugate
my will
to theirs, and trying to sell me gear....Remember scum, you are just
drug
dealers I am Tibetan Royalty. It seems either consciously or just
though
disrespect that they seek to perpetuate the system, the untruth, the
game,
the lie, the abuse, the rape and the police state mind control. Jah
sees.
Honestly from the viewpoint of India it is unbelievable, just massive
massive disrespect has been shown to myself. And 'dealing convoy' YOU
are
responsible for this slide into illusion. you should ****ing well know
better. I think that the solution, is to ban the sale of drugs and the
distribution of chemicals). A respectful donation would give psychic
solidarity so that all the various negative energies could not
unbalance
myself/disrupt/channel through those around me, the Tibetan high cast
reality as I meditate into it from the dreamscape. Jah LIVE!

The fact is that unless the prophecy is fulfilled, unless karma is
rebalanced, there will be problems..'Westworld' will be destroyed in
the
bad karma of it's own poison. Maybe it should be anyway. You have
freewill,
you have a choice, now you have knowledge, we have to live in balance
with
MOTHER.

KING AMDO



Many bright blessings and respect and love to his Holiness the Dalai
Lama.

The dark mother witch wraps herself around us, protects, nurtures and
loves us.

Allah Akbar!

OM shiva!



















wrote in message >. ..
> Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:22:57 GMT "Jonathan Ball" wrote:
>
> >The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people.
>
> These items which contain animal by-products are used in
> the production of food:
> __________________________________________________ _______
> Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
> Antifreeze
>
> http://www.aif.org/lvstock.htm
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> __________________________________________________ _______
> Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
> Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance greases, brake fluid
>
> http://www.teachfree.com/student/wow_that_cow.htm
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> __________________________________________________ _______
> cleaning and polishing compounds,
> glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC
>
> http://www.discover.com/aug_01/featcow.html
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> __________________________________________________ _______
> Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
> Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape,
> Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and
> Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape,
> Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
>
> http://www.sheepusa.org/environment/products.shtml
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> If "farm animals aren't necessary to feed people", then give us
> examples of your vegan alternatives to these products which
> contain animal by-products and are used in the production of
> food.

On 15 Jan 2004 11:46:47 -0800, wrote:

wrote in message >. ..
>> On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:53:17 -0500, "Miller" > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"rick etter" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>
>> >> "Miller" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> snippage...
>> >> >
>> >> > After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
>> >> ==============
>> >> Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:
>> >
>> >"The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."
>> >
>> >Then we have:
>> >
>> >"These items which contain animal by-products are used in
>> >the production of food:"
>> >
>> >followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal by-products.
>> >The idea seems to be to show some sort of prooof that makes the original
>> >snippage false. But the author fails, since thge original point is that
>> >farm animals are not necessary to feed people. There is no claim sited
>> >concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The list of
>> >things that supposedly have no "vegan alternative" is moot.
>> >
>> >Scott
>>
>> You need to show how the food we now enjoy which is produced
>> using things which contain animal by-products like:
>> __________________________________________________ _______
>> Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
>> Antifreeze
>>
>> http://www.aif.org/lvstock.htm
>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>> __________________________________________________ _______
>> Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
>> Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance greases, brake fluid
>>
>> http://www.teachfree.com/student/wow_that_cow.htm
>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>> __________________________________________________ _______
>> cleaning and polishing compounds,
>> glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC
>>
>> http://www.discover.com/aug_01/featcow.html
>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>> __________________________________________________ _______
>> Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
>> Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape,
>> Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and
>> Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape,
>> Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
>>
>> http://www.sheepusa.org/environment/products.shtml
>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>> can be produced using vegan alternatives to the tires, paints,
>> paper, glass, etc... which are feeding people at this time.
>
>Try your links again. None of them work.

The facts remain facts none the less.

wrote:

> On 15 Jan 2004 11:46:47 -0800, wrote:

>>>can be produced using vegan alternatives to the tires, paints,
>>>paper, glass, etc... which are feeding people at this time.
>>
>>Try your links again. None of them work.
>
>
> The facts remain facts none the less.

Not if you can't support them; then they aren't
"facts", ****WIT.