Uno. This is 2003, not 1912

Alex.

"Michael Plant" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks, Alex. We'll talk more for sure. How many days do I get out of my
> guide-translater for my 50 smackaroos?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> Alex digy.com9/10/04
>
>
>> You are not going to believe it, but taxi is no problem at all. At the
>> end
>> ask for recept (Fa Piao).
>> They do not expect to be tipped (Beijing) and will give you full change.
>> Certainly they can take you by the long road, but its so cheap anyway.. I
>> spent last time a month in Beijing, going everywhere by taxi and when I
>> got
>> back and put all the receipts together - it was $120.
>>
>>
>> Tea - in Beijing my favourite place was a teashop on the last floor of
>> the
>>
>> Sanlitun Yashow Clothes Market
>> 58, North Worker's Stadium,
>> Chaoyang District, Beijing
>>
>> The best way I assume you have NO knowledge of Chinese whatsoever) is to
>> hire a guide-translator (aout 400 Y or $50). But not just anyone - ooyou
>> will be taken for two rides insted of one. I can reccommend you one if
>> you
>> want, closer to the time of your trip.
>> My knowledge of Chinese was enough to manage on my own.
>> The rule of thumb (Americans seem to love these) - if you left the tea
>> shop
>> and yuou spent around 1,000 yuan, you need help carriying your packets.
>> If
>> you can carry them yourself - you 've been had. But with the dollar/yuan
>> exchage rate (very unfair for Chinese) your are better than OK anyway.
>> Expect a very good tea like very good Te Guan In be around $10 for a
>> large
>> can. Good white fur green tea - $3 a large can.
>> Some tiny shops in hutongs also have very good tea and very low prices.
>> Your
>> Chinese friends can buy it for you.
>> Ask Mike about Kunmin tea markets - they suppose to be the paradise of
>> ytea,
>> I have never been there.
>>
>> Alex.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Michael Plant" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Alex igy.com9/10/04
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you know what you are doing - China is the best place to buy tea.
>>>> But in China you can also be taken for a ride like you wouldn't
>>>> believe.
>>>>
>>>> Alex.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex,
>>>
>>> On that note, would you make some suggestions about where to go in
>>> China.
>>> I'm planning a trip next year. What are the top tea spots from your
>>> point
>>> of
>>> view? And how best to approach so as not be taken for a ride, except of
>>> course in a taxi.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>
>>
>

> Ex nihilo? I'm going to reread my Dostoyevsky.
>
> Michael

Would you %$#^ing leave Fyodor Michailovitch out of this?

Alex.

Alex igy.com9/10/04


>
>> Ex nihilo? I'm going to reread my Dostoyevsky.
>> Michael
>
> Would you %$#^ing leave Fyodor Michailovitch out of this?
> Alex.

Where's Prince Mishkin when you needs him?
Michael

Alex igy.com9/10/04


>
>> Ex nihilo? I'm going to reread my Dostoyevsky.
>> Michael
>
> Would you %$#^ing leave Fyodor Michailovitch out of this?
> Alex.

Where's Prince Mishkin when you needs him?
Michael

Please count me in on the thread too if it goes offline as I will also
need a translator next year...

Mike


On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:17:21 GMT, Michael Plant >
cast caution to the wind and posted:

>Thanks, Alex. We'll talk more for sure. How many days do I get out of my
>guide-translater for my 50 smackaroos?
>
>Michael
>
>
>
>Alex digy.com9/10/04

>
>> You are not going to believe it, but taxi is no problem at all. At the end
>> ask for recept (Fa Piao).
>> They do not expect to be tipped (Beijing) and will give you full change.
>> Certainly they can take you by the long road, but its so cheap anyway.. I
>> spent last time a month in Beijing, going everywhere by taxi and when I got
>> back and put all the receipts together - it was $120.
>>
>>
>> Tea - in Beijing my favourite place was a teashop on the last floor of the
>>
>> Sanlitun Yashow Clothes Market
>> 58, North Worker's Stadium,
>> Chaoyang District, Beijing
>>
>> The best way I assume you have NO knowledge of Chinese whatsoever) is to
>> hire a guide-translator (aout 400 Y or $50). But not just anyone - ooyou
>> will be taken for two rides insted of one. I can reccommend you one if you
>> want, closer to the time of your trip.
>> My knowledge of Chinese was enough to manage on my own.
>> The rule of thumb (Americans seem to love these) - if you left the tea shop
>> and yuou spent around 1,000 yuan, you need help carriying your packets. If
>> you can carry them yourself - you 've been had. But with the dollar/yuan
>> exchage rate (very unfair for Chinese) your are better than OK anyway.
>> Expect a very good tea like very good Te Guan In be around $10 for a large
>> can. Good white fur green tea - $3 a large can.
>> Some tiny shops in hutongs also have very good tea and very low prices. Your
>> Chinese friends can buy it for you.
>> Ask Mike about Kunmin tea markets - they suppose to be the paradise of ytea,
>> I have never been there.
>>
>> Alex.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Michael Plant" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Alex igy.com9/10/04
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you know what you are doing - China is the best place to buy tea.
>>>> But in China you can also be taken for a ride like you wouldn't believe.
>>>>
>>>> Alex.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex,
>>>
>>> On that note, would you make some suggestions about where to go in China.
>>> I'm planning a trip next year. What are the top tea spots from your point
>>> of
>>> view? And how best to approach so as not be taken for a ride, except of
>>> course in a taxi.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>
>>


Mike Petro
http://www.pu-erh.net
remove the "filter" in my email address to reply

Please count me in on the thread too if it goes offline as I will also
need a translator next year...

Mike


On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:17:21 GMT, Michael Plant >
cast caution to the wind and posted:

>Thanks, Alex. We'll talk more for sure. How many days do I get out of my
>guide-translater for my 50 smackaroos?
>
>Michael
>
>
>
>Alex digy.com9/10/04

>
>> You are not going to believe it, but taxi is no problem at all. At the end
>> ask for recept (Fa Piao).
>> They do not expect to be tipped (Beijing) and will give you full change.
>> Certainly they can take you by the long road, but its so cheap anyway.. I
>> spent last time a month in Beijing, going everywhere by taxi and when I got
>> back and put all the receipts together - it was $120.
>>
>>
>> Tea - in Beijing my favourite place was a teashop on the last floor of the
>>
>> Sanlitun Yashow Clothes Market
>> 58, North Worker's Stadium,
>> Chaoyang District, Beijing
>>
>> The best way I assume you have NO knowledge of Chinese whatsoever) is to
>> hire a guide-translator (aout 400 Y or $50). But not just anyone - ooyou
>> will be taken for two rides insted of one. I can reccommend you one if you
>> want, closer to the time of your trip.
>> My knowledge of Chinese was enough to manage on my own.
>> The rule of thumb (Americans seem to love these) - if you left the tea shop
>> and yuou spent around 1,000 yuan, you need help carriying your packets. If
>> you can carry them yourself - you 've been had. But with the dollar/yuan
>> exchage rate (very unfair for Chinese) your are better than OK anyway.
>> Expect a very good tea like very good Te Guan In be around $10 for a large
>> can. Good white fur green tea - $3 a large can.
>> Some tiny shops in hutongs also have very good tea and very low prices. Your
>> Chinese friends can buy it for you.
>> Ask Mike about Kunmin tea markets - they suppose to be the paradise of ytea,
>> I have never been there.
>>
>> Alex.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Michael Plant" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Alex igy.com9/10/04
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you know what you are doing - China is the best place to buy tea.
>>>> But in China you can also be taken for a ride like you wouldn't believe.
>>>>
>>>> Alex.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex,
>>>
>>> On that note, would you make some suggestions about where to go in China.
>>> I'm planning a trip next year. What are the top tea spots from your point
>>> of
>>> view? And how best to approach so as not be taken for a ride, except of
>>> course in a taxi.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>
>>


Mike Petro
http://www.pu-erh.net
remove the "filter" in my email address to reply

Great yin yang debate. I enjoy every minute sitting on the sidelines.
I've been in Chinese restaurants where they bring you the gongfu set.
They bring you chopsticks. Good luck Occidental. If you watch the
chop socky genre closely the Chinese defeat the Japanese because
they're more adaptive less ritualistic. The best scene in all ma
movies is a favorite of Tarantino, Street Fighter with Sonny Chiba
where you see an xray view of a karate blow driving skull and neck
between collar bone. My personal favorite the anti hero Zatoichi from
the sixties. Did anyone see the lastest version? I didn't care for
the promo with the moonlite eyes.

Jim

Michael Plant > wrote in message >...
> Alex igy.com9/9/04
>
I snip because I can
> > You can buy the tea, the wisk, all the things to make both teas they use for
> > the ceremony and drink it without ever touching the ritual side, but why
> > "muck about"? Just because you can do it without your head being chopped
> > off?
>
> Because "mucking about" is the higher form.
>
> Just my opinions, Alex. I enjoy your points, and don't really disagree with
> them at all; it's all in the way you look at it. In any event, I'm about to
> embark on a serious gungfu learning adventure. Less later.
>
> Michael

Great yin yang debate. I enjoy every minute sitting on the sidelines.
I've been in Chinese restaurants where they bring you the gongfu set.
They bring you chopsticks. Good luck Occidental. If you watch the
chop socky genre closely the Chinese defeat the Japanese because
they're more adaptive less ritualistic. The best scene in all ma
movies is a favorite of Tarantino, Street Fighter with Sonny Chiba
where you see an xray view of a karate blow driving skull and neck
between collar bone. My personal favorite the anti hero Zatoichi from
the sixties. Did anyone see the lastest version? I didn't care for
the promo with the moonlite eyes.

Jim

Michael Plant > wrote in message >...
> Alex igy.com9/9/04
>
I snip because I can
> > You can buy the tea, the wisk, all the things to make both teas they use for
> > the ceremony and drink it without ever touching the ritual side, but why
> > "muck about"? Just because you can do it without your head being chopped
> > off?
>
> Because "mucking about" is the higher form.
>
> Just my opinions, Alex. I enjoy your points, and don't really disagree with
> them at all; it's all in the way you look at it. In any event, I'm about to
> embark on a serious gungfu learning adventure. Less later.
>
> Michael

You're in, buddy.

Sasha.


"Mike Petro" > wrote in message
...
> Please count me in on the thread too if it goes offline as I will also
> need a translator next year...
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:17:21 GMT, Michael Plant >
> cast caution to the wind and posted:
>
>>Thanks, Alex. We'll talk more for sure. How many days do I get out of my
>>guide-translater for my 50 smackaroos?
>>
>>Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>Alex digy.com9/10/04

>>
>>> You are not going to believe it, but taxi is no problem at all. At the
>>> end
>>> ask for recept (Fa Piao).
>>> They do not expect to be tipped (Beijing) and will give you full change.
>>> Certainly they can take you by the long road, but its so cheap anyway..
>>> I
>>> spent last time a month in Beijing, going everywhere by taxi and when I
>>> got
>>> back and put all the receipts together - it was $120.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tea - in Beijing my favourite place was a teashop on the last floor of
>>> the
>>>
>>> Sanlitun Yashow Clothes Market
>>> 58, North Worker's Stadium,
>>> Chaoyang District, Beijing
>>>
>>> The best way I assume you have NO knowledge of Chinese whatsoever) is to
>>> hire a guide-translator (aout 400 Y or $50). But not just anyone - ooyou
>>> will be taken for two rides insted of one. I can reccommend you one if
>>> you
>>> want, closer to the time of your trip.
>>> My knowledge of Chinese was enough to manage on my own.
>>> The rule of thumb (Americans seem to love these) - if you left the tea
>>> shop
>>> and yuou spent around 1,000 yuan, you need help carriying your packets.
>>> If
>>> you can carry them yourself - you 've been had. But with the dollar/yuan
>>> exchage rate (very unfair for Chinese) your are better than OK anyway.
>>> Expect a very good tea like very good Te Guan In be around $10 for a
>>> large
>>> can. Good white fur green tea - $3 a large can.
>>> Some tiny shops in hutongs also have very good tea and very low prices.
>>> Your
>>> Chinese friends can buy it for you.
>>> Ask Mike about Kunmin tea markets - they suppose to be the paradise of
>>> ytea,
>>> I have never been there.
>>>
>>> Alex.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Michael Plant" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Alex igy.com9/10/04
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If you know what you are doing - China is the best place to buy tea.
>>>>> But in China you can also be taken for a ride like you wouldn't
>>>>> believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alex,
>>>>
>>>> On that note, would you make some suggestions about where to go in
>>>> China.
>>>> I'm planning a trip next year. What are the top tea spots from your
>>>> point
>>>> of
>>>> view? And how best to approach so as not be taken for a ride, except of
>>>> course in a taxi.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> Mike Petro
> http://www.pu-erh.net
> remove the "filter" in my email address to reply

Michael Plant wrote"
> OK, so by "ceremony" you mean a bunch of rules, perhaps? Kind of guide
> posts? Might I say we are exploring the difference between deductive and
> inductive ways of tea?

As usual, Michael is obfuscating the situation by introducing nugatory
complexities. The relevant epistemological paradigm is not
inductive/deductive, but infusive/extractive.

-DM

Michael Plant > writes:

> Joel 9/10/04
>
> >
> > Now here's the origin of everything I've said so far: I don't believe
> > there's any such thing as deduction ex nihilo. Everything is,
> > necessarily, `bootstrapped' inductively.
>
> Works both ways at once. And -- no sarcasm intended here either -- therein
> lies the cosmic joke.

I honestly can't quite picture that, so I'm interested in any
elaboration you can offer. Feel free to take this offline; it's
getting a little too OT.

Cheers,

- Joel

Michael Plant > writes:

> Joel 9/10/04
>
> >
> > Now here's the origin of everything I've said so far: I don't believe
> > there's any such thing as deduction ex nihilo. Everything is,
> > necessarily, `bootstrapped' inductively.
>
> Works both ways at once. And -- no sarcasm intended here either -- therein
> lies the cosmic joke.

I honestly can't quite picture that, so I'm interested in any
elaboration you can offer. Feel free to take this offline; it's
getting a little too OT.

Cheers,

- Joel