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O.T. Acceptable Bigotry? WAS I'm a Southerner Now
When I saw the subject line of the original thread, I expected that someone would probably end up bashing southerners. In this NG, which is relatively politically correct, I really didn't expect so many of the posters to do it, though. Primarily, of course, the slams were related to the southern dialect, but dental hygiene placed at number two, with inbreeding making a showing, and a few others popping up as well. None of these are anything new, they've been fostered by the entertainment media for many years, but that is simply a reflection of the widespread beliefs of non-southerners. Let's look at some of these assumptions. "The southern dialect is improper english, and indicates laziness, slowness of thought, and ignorance." Right. What does the Boston dialect indicate? The Minnesota dialect? How about Brooklyn? It's just a regional dialect, and in fact there are at least two different ones, called tidewater and piedmont southern, respectively. It doesn't indicate a blessed thing except where the speaker grew up. It should also be noted that any American who believes that they speak "proper" english is most likely to be referring to the General American used by newscasters. "Proper" english doesn't even exist in England. The language has fragmented into literally thousands of regional dialects as it evolved. I'm a native Alabamian, but I use a General American dialect. Why? The use of General American keeps opportunities from being closed to me by bigoted fools. I realized that as a kid, and took steps. Why don't all southerners simply adopt a different dialect? Some, like some people everywhere, are ignorant and don't know that they're discriminated against. Most, unlike me, are too proud to knuckle under to bigots. I'm not proud of using a different dialect. I did it out of cowardice when I was young. "They're all married to their sisters." Oh, please. For the record, incest does take place in the south. It also takes place in every other inhabited region of the planet, specifically including within a ten kilometer radius of you, the reader, wherever you may be. Is the incidence higher in the south? I have no earthly way of knowing, nor does anyone else. In the absence of any hard data, I'm guessing it's pretty uniform in distribution. "Toothless! They're all toothless!" In the past, there was some basis for this one. Dentistry, like all medical advances, originates in large population centers, and then slowly migrates out into the poorer rural areas. Forty years ago, a native of, say, Chicago, would have been accustomed to seeing people who enjoyed good dental care. If that person travelled to the rural south, they might have been shocked to discover that many people had serious dental problems. When a visit to the dentist entails a two day trip and a weeks salary, not very many such visits take place. I assure you, gentle reader, that things have improved. Roads have been improved, the population has swelled, and now just about any small town has at least one busy dental practice. It is only in the last twenty to thirty years that the south has finally recovered from the aftermath of the civil war. I'm referring to what is called the Reconstruction, and is described to schoolchildren as something resembling the Marshall Plan after WWII. That's a neat bit of revisionism. It more closely resembled forty years of government sanctioned economic rape and plunder. It's been a long road, and the southern states are still among the poorest in the US, but the culture is finally starting to become homogeneous across the country. One of the last obstacles remaining to that recovery is the bigotry against southerners. I ask you to take a look around in your area. Look for rednecks. I bet you can find them in Oregon, Maine, California, just about anywhere. If you can't find any of your neighbors who fit some "southern" stereotypes, then I invite you to come visit me sometime. I'll make you welcome, and show you around my beloved Alabama. I bet you'll be surprised. Thanks for your time. Luke |
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Luke Kilpatrick wrote: > [a fairly typical indignant defense of the target of jokes that struck too close to home] Next is usually a 'hey, can't you tell a joke from a real insult?' post, then some more jokes in the spirit of piling on, then either the thread branches to semi-relevant side topics that popped up by chance or it descends to personal attacks and name-calling. It's hot again today (which is why I'm inside at this silly machine), why don't we just skip all that? -aem |
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Luke Kilpatrick wrote: <snip> > Look for rednecks. I bet you can find them > in Oregon, Maine, California, just about anywhere. This is true. Many people equate being poor with being redneck or trash, which isn't always true. FWIW, some of the most gun-toting-est, junkyard jerks I have run into have been here on the west coast. But I will say that the worst we have been treated as an interracial couple, and DH as a "black" man, has been in North Carolina, Texas, and a few other southern states. There are parts of the south he won't drive through, for example. Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond were elected and re-elected because of people who shared their ideals. But, like DH says "There are asshole everywhere." You really just have to find your own niche and make a life for yourself. -L. |
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Luke Kilpatrick wrote:
> dental hygiene placed at > number two, with inbreeding making a showing I'm English, from Norfolk, so I'm used to references like that :-) |
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"-L." > wrote in message
oups.com... > > Luke Kilpatrick wrote: > <snip> > >> Look for rednecks. I bet you can find them >> in Oregon, Maine, California, just about anywhere. > > This is true. Many people equate being poor with being redneck or > trash, which isn't always true. FWIW, some of the most gun-toting-est, > junkyard jerks I have run into have been here on the west coast. But > I will say that the worst we have been treated as an interracial > couple, and DH as a "black" man, has been in North Carolina, Texas, and > a few other southern states. There are parts of the south he won't > drive through, for example. Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond were > elected and re-elected because of people who shared their ideals. > > But, like DH says "There are asshole everywhere." You really just have > to find your own niche and make a life for yourself. > > -L. > People love to generalize. People in rec.guns often say idiotic things about New York, thinking everyone here's a carbon copy of Hillary Clinton. But, if you were blindfolded and driven to quite a few rural places here, you'd swear you were in (fill in name of the most out of the way Podunk in your imagination). Quite a few yahoos here have Confederate flag decals on their car windows, and they were born HERE. I once heard that the Klan was active around Broome County (which contains the city of Binghamton), but I dismissed it as rumor. But, returning from a Boy Scout trip to Pennsylvania, we were each told to pair up with another car and stay close. My "buddy" was a black cop from Rochester. He said "We can go pretty fast on the way home, but not in Broome County". He said a white cop would easily be able to badge his way out of a traffic stop there, but a black person.....not a good idea, even if he's a cop. He knew people.... |
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-L.wrote: > But, like DH says "There are asshole everywhere." You really just have > to find your own niche and make a life for yourself. And it looks like you accomplished *just* that, dear :-) -- Best Greg |
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"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message ink.net... > > -L.wrote: > > > But, like DH says "There are asshole everywhere." You really just have > > to find your own niche and make a life for yourself. > > > And it looks like you accomplished *just* that, dear :-) > > -- sigh no wit, no intellect, why bother? Just to hear yourself talk? Ugh. |
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"aem" > wrote:
> >Luke Kilpatrick wrote: >> [a fairly typical indignant defense of the target of jokes that struck too close to home] > >Next is usually a 'hey, can't you tell a joke from a real insult?' >post, then some more jokes in the spirit of piling on, then either the >thread branches to semi-relevant side topics that popped up by chance >or it descends to personal attacks and name-calling. The funny part is this; if someone starting posting 'jokes' about blacks, or Jews, or gays, or women... The outrage and uproar would be loud and sustained. And *nobody* would tell any blacks/Jews/gays "hey, its just a joke, deal with it". But somehow - it's OK when the target is Southerners? D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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Derek Lyons wrote: > The funny part is this; if someone starting posting 'jokes' about > blacks, or Jews, or gays, or women... The outrage and uproar would be > loud and sustained. And *nobody* would tell any blacks/Jews/gays > "hey, its just a joke, deal with it". I do it ALL the time (I'm ***)... > But somehow - it's OK when the target is Southerners? Okay, to make you feel all better: A "COLORED" joke (purportedly Ronald Reagan's favorite!): "A negro walks into a bar with his big pet parrot on his shoulder... The bartender looks over and sez, "Where did you get him?" The bird replies, "Africa!" ----- A JEWISH joke: Q: Why do Jews have such big noses? A: Because air is FREE... ----- A *** joke: "There was this man who walked into a bar and says to the bartender, "10 shots of whiskey....". The bartender asks, "What's the matter?" The man says, "I found out my brother is *** and marrying my best friend." The next day the same man comes in and orders 12 shots of whiskey. The bartenders asks, "What's wrong this time?" The man says, "I found out that my son is ***." The next day the same man comes in the bar and orders 15 shots of whiskey. Then the bartender asks, "Doesn't anyone in your family like women?" The man looks up and says, "Apprently my wife does." </> |
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Gregory Morrow wrote:
> I do it ALL the time (I'm ***)... Well I'm pretty happy most of the time too, Greg. But I don't normally tell everyone ... -- Craig |
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-L.wrote: People who > wouldn't *think* of making racial jokes about blacks think nothing of > telling a joke about Mexicans or a joke using "broken English" poking > fun at Chinese people. Shouldn't that be "bloken Engrish"... -- Best Greg |
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"Derek Lyons" > wrote in message
... > "aem" > wrote: >> >>Luke Kilpatrick wrote: >>> [a fairly typical indignant defense of the target of jokes that struck >>> too close to home] >> >>Next is usually a 'hey, can't you tell a joke from a real insult?' >>post, then some more jokes in the spirit of piling on, then either the >>thread branches to semi-relevant side topics that popped up by chance >>or it descends to personal attacks and name-calling. > > The funny part is this; if someone starting posting 'jokes' about > blacks, or Jews, or gays, or women... The outrage and uproar would be > loud and sustained. And *nobody* would tell any blacks/Jews/gays > "hey, its just a joke, deal with it". > > But somehow - it's OK when the target is Southerners? For the same reason, I presume, that it's "okay" to poke fun at men, blondes and other groups that don't have the ACLU standing behind them. I doubt that anyone here on this group would actually move to the south and start proclaiming some of the joking that was posted here as The Truth. (Although I am serious that going to a bar and singing "Marching Thru Georgia" could probably get you seriously injured at worst, escorted out of the premises at best.) I'm not a native Southerner, obviously, but I come from a state that has been the butt of jokes in the Midwest for ages - Indiana. And while it's okay for *me* to tell jokes about Indiana, there's a line that I don't want other people to cross. After less than a week here, however, I've already encountered 2nd hand some of the bigotry that Luke is protesting against. I had a job interview Tuesday (for a job in my original field, yay!). While interviewing, Glenn was telling me he'd been evaluating the software that I (or whoever he hires, but I'm thinking positive here!) hires...and that he was completely turned off and insulted by the salesman for Number One Provider in the Country, because Salesman for NOPitC treated him...well, since Glenn seemed to be grasping for words that didn't involve profanity, I provided him with my version: "He was condescending and patronizing. And I can tell you why." (I've dealt with NOPitC for years, and their sales people only seem to have manners when your company is on the Fortune 100 *and* your corporate address is in the Northeast. Considering they're headquartered in Dublin, OH and are *not* on the Fortune 100, I find this funny.) The thing is, NOPitC really is the best software package out there...but I can guarantee that Glenn is not going to buy it just because of that salesman. And it's not going to hurt Glenn's project a bit that he's not buying the "Jaguar" software. And Glenn doesn't *have* a Southern accent - he's from Cleveland, for heaven sakes. But Corporate is in South Carolina, so obviously Salesman from NOPitC "knows" that everyone employed there is mentally deficient. I'm not sure why I'm rambling about this, except I understand Luke taking offense. It's funny when Jeff Foxworthy or Bill Engvald or Ron White make jokes about the South - because it's okay to make fun of yourself - and they're so obviously joking. But it can easily stop being funny when other people keep piling it on and give the impression that they believe what they're saying. Lisa Ann |
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:50:32 -0400, "Lisa Ann"
> wrote: >I'm not a native Southerner, obviously, but I come from a state that has >been the butt of jokes in the Midwest for ages - Indiana. And while it's >okay for *me* to tell jokes about Indiana, there's a line that I don't want >other people to cross. Watch how many people spell Minnesota weird, to emphasize the way we pronounce it wrong. And NO ONE talks like the people in the movie, "Fargo." We do eat hotdish, though. Just not lutefisk. Carol, reaching for a blood pressure pill |
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Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> Watch how many people spell Minnesota weird, to emphasize the way we > pronounce it wrong. Yah, shore. You betcha!! -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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"Lisa Ann" > wrote in message ... > "Derek Lyons" > wrote in message > ... > > "aem" > wrote: > >> > >>Luke Kilpatrick wrote: > >>> [a fairly typical indignant defense of the target of jokes that struck > >>> too close to home] > >> > >>Next is usually a 'hey, can't you tell a joke from a real insult?' > >>post, then some more jokes in the spirit of piling on, then either the > >>thread branches to semi-relevant side topics that popped up by chance > >>or it descends to personal attacks and name-calling. > > > > The funny part is this; if someone starting posting 'jokes' about > > blacks, or Jews, or gays, or women... The outrage and uproar would be > > loud and sustained. And *nobody* would tell any blacks/Jews/gays > > "hey, its just a joke, deal with it". > > > > But somehow - it's OK when the target is Southerners? > > For the same reason, I presume, that it's "okay" to poke fun at men, blondes > and other groups that don't have the ACLU standing behind them. > > I doubt that anyone here on this group would actually move to the south and > start proclaiming some of the joking that was posted here as The Truth. > (Although I am serious that going to a bar and singing "Marching Thru > Georgia" could probably get you seriously injured at worst, escorted out of > the premises at best.) > > I'm not a native Southerner, obviously, but I come from a state that has > been the butt of jokes in the Midwest for ages - Indiana. And while it's > okay for *me* to tell jokes about Indiana, there's a line that I don't want > other people to cross. > > After less than a week here, however, I've already encountered 2nd hand some > of the bigotry that Luke is protesting against. I had a job interview > Tuesday (for a job in my original field, yay!). While interviewing, Glenn > was telling me he'd been evaluating the software that I (or whoever he > hires, but I'm thinking positive here!) hires...and that he was completely > turned off and insulted by the salesman for Number One Provider in the > Country, because Salesman for NOPitC treated him...well, since Glenn seemed > to be grasping for words that didn't involve profanity, I provided him with > my version: "He was condescending and patronizing. And I can tell you > why." (I've dealt with NOPitC for years, and their sales people only seem > to have manners when your company is on the Fortune 100 *and* your corporate > address is in the Northeast. Considering they're headquartered in Dublin, > OH and are *not* on the Fortune 100, I find this funny.) The thing is, > NOPitC really is the best software package out there...but I can guarantee > that Glenn is not going to buy it just because of that salesman. And it's > not going to hurt Glenn's project a bit that he's not buying the "Jaguar" > software. And Glenn doesn't *have* a Southern accent - he's from Cleveland, > for heaven sakes. But Corporate is in South Carolina, so obviously Salesman > from NOPitC "knows" that everyone employed there is mentally deficient. > > I'm not sure why I'm rambling about this, except I understand Luke taking > offense. It's funny when Jeff Foxworthy or Bill Engvald or Ron White make > jokes about the South - because it's okay to make fun of yourself - and > they're so obviously joking. But it can easily stop being funny when other > people keep piling it on and give the impression that they believe what > they're saying. > > Lisa Ann > > I have a college education and consider my self fairly conservative in appearance (no Daisy Duke's on this 40+ year old body), but I actually walked out of an interview in Philadelphia when I had an interviewer ask 'do YAWL actually date YAWL brothers down there?' reacting to my growing up in NC being obvious in my speech. I couldn't resist it, but I picked up my stuff, headed for the door and turned and responded 'not if our brothers are anything nearly resembling your type which makes farm animals look promising'. I actually couldn't face another interview for a while after that, I get the condescending remarks and people with less education than I talking down to me because they assume I am stupid because of my accent. If you get to know me, and still think I'm stupid, well that's your perogative, but don't judge me just because of where I came from. -ginny |
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:12:02 -0700, "Dave Bugg" >
wrote: >Damsel in dis Dress wrote: > >> Watch how many people spell Minnesota weird, to emphasize the way we >> pronounce it wrong. > >Yah, shore. You betcha!! You spelled, "shooor," wrong. I don't know anyone who actually SAYS that. But I do say you betcha. And I say ya instead of yes pretty frequently too, I guess. Carol in Minnesoda |
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:13:21 -0400, "Virginia Tadrzynski"
> wrote: >I have a college education and consider my self fairly conservative in >appearance (no Daisy Duke's on this 40+ year old body), but I actually >walked out of an interview in Philadelphia when I had an interviewer ask 'do >YAWL actually date YAWL brothers down there?' reacting to my growing up in >NC being obvious in my speech. I couldn't resist it, but I picked up my >stuff, headed for the door and turned and responded 'not if our brothers are >anything nearly resembling your type which makes farm animals look >promising'. I'm very sorry that happened to you, but good for you for the way you handled that jerk! Carp; |
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:13:21 -0400, "Virginia Tadrzynski"
> wrote: >I have a college education and consider my self fairly conservative in >appearance (no Daisy Duke's on this 40+ year old body), but I actually >walked out of an interview in Philadelphia when I had an interviewer ask 'do >YAWL actually date YAWL brothers down there?' reacting to my growing up in >NC being obvious in my speech. I couldn't resist it, but I picked up my >stuff, headed for the door and turned and responded 'not if our brothers are >anything nearly resembling your type which makes farm animals look >promising'. Sheer class and beauty! As Ron White would say, "you can't fix stupid." >I actually couldn't face another interview for a while after that, I get the >condescending remarks and people with less education than I talking down to >me because they assume I am stupid because of my accent. If you get to know >me, and still think I'm stupid, well that's your perogative, but don't judge >me just because of where I came from. Fortunately, most folks aren't like that idjiot. I hope! TammyM, eternal pollyanna |
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Virginia Tadrzynski wrote: > I have a college education and consider my self fairly conservative in > appearance (no Daisy Duke's on this 40+ year old body), but I actually > walked out of an interview in Philadelphia when I had an interviewer ask 'do > YAWL actually date YAWL brothers down there?' yes, that was pretty un-professional however THE HELL KIND OF JOB WAS YOU APPLYING FOR? i mean.. they let a dummy like that in charge of hiring for a job you actually wanted? if you ask me, you didn't want to be there in the first place lets say you just laughed him off, i mean if he's going to be so un-pro, then you could have answered him like.. **** YO MAMMA MAN... then say.. laugh with him, show him how ignorant he was... but don't wear your ass on your shoulders looking for poeple to poke at your accent. besides, country accent is very contagious. every time I come back from NC, I come back talking flat as hell takes me a few days to wipe it off lmao > -ginny get a sense of humore, I mean... you probably didn't want the damn job and was glad to have an excuse PAY THE MAN THE WAY OUT PLEASE N E X T ! |
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JoeSpareHeadroom wrote: > > People love to generalize. People often say idiotic things about > New York, thinking everyone here's a carbon copy of Hillary Clinton. Utter nonsense, even an imbecile like you should know she's a NY wannabe from of all places, the redneckiest of all, Arkansas! Get a friggin' IQ, you lying piece of shit. Sheldon |
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Damsel in dis Dress wrote: > I'm very sorry that happened to you, but good for you for the way you > handled that jerk! what a tart you are stfu with your false caring act like you give 2 rips ginny had her ass on her shoulders before she even got there she could have told the guy to **** off you know.. i mean if he was going to be that unprofessional what's good for the goose is good for the gander she should have seen him as a meter for her own behavior IOW don't over-dress the person doing the interview if you want the job that is sounded like a peyton place if the guy wanted to talk about SEX let's talk about sex Ginny, do ya'll hump your brothers? she could sue for harrisment discrimination |
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Virginia Tadrzynski > wrote in message
... [snip] > walked out of an interview in Philadelphia It was Philly; what did you expect? It's home to a bunch of inbred, self-absorbed, backwoods, know-nothings congregated into living Real LifeŽ through Sy Stalone's movies. [snip unprofessional behavior] Aren't you glad you found out before working there just how ignorant the company as a whole were? Saved you an ulcer and therapy bills. The Ranger |
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bobmarley > wrote in message
oups.com... > [TPTB] let a dummy like that in charge of hiring for a job you > actually wanted? Bob, y'all ain't too smart... There are dummies like Ginny's prize interviewer are everywhere. Mom-and-pop shops to global corporations have these cockroaches at every level; some have even made it to executive levels. ObTopic: Bacon grease: The duct tape of southern cooking. The Ranger |
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Sheldon wrote:
> JoeSpareHeadroom wrote: >> >> People love to generalize. People often say idiotic things about >> New York, thinking everyone here's a carbon copy of Hillary Clinton. > > Utter nonsense, even an imbecile like you should know she's a NY > wannabe from of all places, the redneckiest of all, Arkansas! Get a > friggin' IQ, you lying piece of shit. > > Sheldon Actually Sheldon, she was born in Chicago, Illinois, Oct 1947. -- Joe Cilinceon |
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> JoeSpareHeadroom wrote: > > > > People love to generalize. People often say idiotic things about > > New York, thinking everyone here's a carbon copy of Hillary Clinton. > > Utter nonsense, even an imbecile like you should know she's a NY > wannabe from of all places, the redneckiest of all, Arkansas! Get a > friggin' IQ, you lying piece of shit. > > Sheldon > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0166921/bio Not a Hillary fan but... she's not originally FROM Arkansas |
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Damsel in dis Dress wrote: > > Watch how many people spell Minnesota weird, to emphasize the way we > pronounce it wrong. And NO ONE talks like the people in the movie, > "Fargo." Well, I have met a few... >We do eat hotdish, though. Just not lutefisk. > > Carol, reaching for a blood pressure pill I love the Minnesotan accent. I still have a tad of my own from when I went to school there. Especially when I say "YAH". -L. |
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Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:13:21 -0400, "Virginia Tadrzynski" > > wrote: > > >I have a college education and consider my self fairly conservative in > >appearance (no Daisy Duke's on this 40+ year old body), but I actually > >walked out of an interview in Philadelphia when I had an interviewer ask 'do > >YAWL actually date YAWL brothers down there?' reacting to my growing up in > >NC being obvious in my speech. I couldn't resist it, but I picked up my > >stuff, headed for the door and turned and responded 'not if our brothers are > >anything nearly resembling your type which makes farm animals look > >promising'. > > I'm very sorry that happened to you, but good for you for the way you > handled that jerk! How do you figure that was a good way to handle him? All she did was flee and let it bother her for some time afterwards. She should have walked immediately to the office of someone higher up in the company and told them about the question, and followed up with a letter to the head of the company or the head of HR if they were large enough to have such a department. -aem |
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Oh pshaw, on Thu 10 Aug 2006 03:54:20p, Michael "Dog3" Lonergan meant to
say... > Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> > 8.19: > >> >> There's hardly been an immigrant nationality or race that hasn't been >> joked about or hated at one time or another. Doesn't make it right, >> but it's bound to happen. > > Quite frankly I don't see all the fuss anyway. As you said, almost all > immigrant nationalities, races and religions have been joked about and/or > hated. Being Irish and *** I've had the double whammy ;) Personally I > think the jokes are funny. I can laugh at myself. > > Michael I totally agree, Michael. -- Wayne Boatwright __________________________________________________ Who knows the mind of a cat? |
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"The Ranger" > wrote in message ... > Virginia Tadrzynski > wrote in message > ... > [snip] > > walked out of an interview in Philadelphia > > It was Philly; what did you expect? It's home to a bunch of inbred, > self-absorbed, backwoods, know-nothings congregated into living Real > LifeŽ through Sy Stalone's movies. > > [snip unprofessional behavior] > > Aren't you glad you found out before working there just how ignorant the > company as a whole were? Saved you an ulcer and therapy bills. > > The Ranger > > That was a one off in Philly. Usually I got the polite thanks but no thanks. I had the real problems with those who were polite enough, but then had to explain how the 'higher ups' wanted them to hire more of 'those people' -wink wink nudge nudge. Believe it or not, I have met more prejudice in the Allentown area than I did in Philly. All the Pennsylvania Dutchies around here are soo condescending. I was shopping in a farmer's market when I was asked if all southerners were uneducated, inbred, etc. I bit my tongue, but felt like asking them were they aware that the Pennsylvania Dutch are those who have an actual condition called 'Maple Syrup disease' exclusive to their community resulting from inbreeding. Somehow, I just got the feeling that it would have fallen on deaf ears and just let it lie. -ginny |
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Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> But I do say you betcha. And I say ya instead of yes pretty > frequently too, I guess. My better half, Jill -- a Minnesotan -- does the same :-) -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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Virginia Tadrzynski > wrote in message
... [snip] > Believe it or not, I have met more prejudice in the Allentown > area than I did in Philly. All the Pennsylvania Dutchies > around here are so condescending. I was shopping in a > farmer's market when I was asked if all southerners were > uneducated, inbred, etc. I bit my tongue, but felt like > asking them were they aware that the Pennsylvania Dutch > are those who have an actual condition called 'Maple > Syrup disease' exclusive to their community resulting > from inbreeding. Somehow, I just got the feeling that > it would have fallen on deaf ears and just let it lie. Just look at them, and with as much physical pain etched across your face as you can show, ask them, "Did that hurt you?" The target of ridicule will be confused and spout, "What?" "Thinking that! It was similar to a spike being driven into my skull simply hearing it so I can't imagine what it did to you..." The "Fox Chapel" Ranger |
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Luke Kilpatrick wrote: > When I saw the subject line of the original thread, I expected that > someone would probably end up bashing southerners. In this NG, which is > relatively politically correct, I really didn't expect so many of the > posters to do it, though. Primarily, of course, the slams were related to > the southern dialect, but dental hygiene placed at number two, with > inbreeding making a showing, and a few others popping up as well. None of > these are anything new, they've been fostered by the entertainment media > for many years, but that is simply a reflection of the widespread beliefs > of non-southerners. Let's look at some of these assumptions. > > "The southern dialect is improper english, and indicates laziness, > slowness of thought, and ignorance." Right. What does the Boston dialect > indicate? The Minnesota dialect? How about Brooklyn? It's just a regional > dialect, and in fact there are at least two different ones, called > tidewater and piedmont southern, respectively. It doesn't indicate a > blessed thing except where the speaker grew up. It should also be noted > that any American who believes that they speak "proper" english is most > likely to be referring to the General American used by newscasters. > "Proper" english doesn't even exist in England. The language has fragmented > into literally thousands of regional dialects as it evolved. I'm a native > Alabamian, but I use a General American dialect. Why? The use of General > American keeps opportunities from being closed to me by bigoted fools. I > realized that as a kid, and took steps. Why don't all southerners simply > adopt a different dialect? Some, like some people everywhere, are ignorant > and don't know that they're discriminated against. Most, unlike me, are too > proud to knuckle under to bigots. I'm not proud of using a different > dialect. I did it out of cowardice when I was young. > > "They're all married to their sisters." Oh, please. For the record, > incest does take place in the south. It also takes place in every other > inhabited region of the planet, specifically including within a ten > kilometer radius of you, the reader, wherever you may be. Is the incidence > higher in the south? I have no earthly way of knowing, nor does anyone > else. In the absence of any hard data, I'm guessing it's pretty uniform in > distribution. > > "Toothless! They're all toothless!" In the past, there was some > basis for this one. Dentistry, like all medical advances, originates in > large population centers, and then slowly migrates out into the poorer > rural areas. Forty years ago, a native of, say, Chicago, would have been > accustomed to seeing people who enjoyed good dental care. If that person > travelled to the rural south, they might have been shocked to discover that > many people had serious dental problems. When a visit to the dentist > entails a two day trip and a weeks salary, not very many such visits take > place. I assure you, gentle reader, that things have improved. Roads have > been improved, the population has swelled, and now just about any small > town has at least one busy dental practice. > > It is only in the last twenty to thirty years that the south has > finally recovered from the aftermath of the civil war. I'm referring to what > is called the Reconstruction, and is described to schoolchildren as > something resembling the Marshall Plan after WWII. That's a neat bit of > revisionism. It more closely resembled forty years of government sanctioned > economic rape and plunder. It's been a long road, and the southern states > are still among the poorest in the US, but the culture is finally starting > to become homogeneous across the country. One of the last obstacles > remaining to that recovery is the bigotry against southerners. I ask you to > take a look around in your area. Look for rednecks. I bet you can find them > in Oregon, Maine, California, just about anywhere. If you can't find any of > your neighbors who fit some "southern" stereotypes, then I invite you to > come visit me sometime. I'll make you welcome, and show you around my > beloved Alabama. I bet you'll be surprised. > > Thanks for your time. > > Luke Amen Luke, and very well stated. I've lived in Virginia, Florida, Hawaii, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Tennessee. Of them all, Tennessee is my favorite by far. I remember my husband and I were staying at a hotel in San Francisco. Some dude asked us where we were from--and we said Tennessee. He then immediately started talking in an idiotic mock-Southern drawl--started babbling about RC and Moonpies, for Christ's sake. God, what a bigoted horse's ass. For the record--I think the most bigoted/racist/intolerant place I've ever lived has NOT been in the Sunny South--it has been Chicago.--r3 |
O.T. Acceptable Bigotry? WAS I'm a Southerner Now
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:47:17 GMT, Peter A >
wrote: >In article >, says... >> >I'm not a native Southerner, obviously, but I come from a state that has >> >been the butt of jokes in the Midwest for ages - Indiana. And while it's >> >okay for *me* to tell jokes about Indiana, there's a line that I don't want >> >other people to cross. > >Do adult human beings really get miffed when people tell jokes about >their state? That was Lisa Ann, not me. I do feel bad when people tell me I talk like the morons in the movie, "Fargo," Perhaps the speech in that movie was intended as a caricature or something, and they just grossly exaggerated word pronunciations. I dunno, but I don't like that comparison at all. Carol |
O.T. Acceptable Bigotry? WAS I'm a Southerner Now
"The Ranger" > wrote in message > > It was Philly; what did you expect? It's home to a bunch of inbred, > self-absorbed, backwoods, know-nothings congregated into living Real > LifeŽ through Sy Stalone's movies. > > [snip unprofessional behavior] All 2 million of them? Never been there have you? |
O.T. Acceptable Bigotry? WAS I'm a Southerner Now
Edwin Pawlowski > wrote in message
m... > "The Ranger" > wrote in message > > It was Philly; what did you expect? It's home to a bunch > > of inbred, self-absorbed, backwoods, know-nothings > > congregated into living Real LifeŽ through Sy Stalone's > > movies. > > > All 2 million of them? 1, 999, 999 that I've personally met and talked to -- yes. The Lone Rule Breaker (1) that shocked me -- no. > Never been there have you? Often enough to know I will NEVER live there. The Ranger |
O.T. Acceptable Bigotry? WAS I'm a Southerner Now
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:23:04 -0700, "Dave Bugg" >
wrote: >Damsel in dis Dress wrote: > >> But I do say you betcha. And I say ya instead of yes pretty >> frequently too, I guess. > >My better half, Jill -- a Minnesotan -- does the same :-) Yup! I just noticed that the P in yup is silent. Well, not silent, but different. More like the first half of a B, but without the B sound. Call me on the phone and I'll say it for you. LOL! Carol |
O.T. Acceptable Bigotry? WAS I'm a Southerner Now
"The Ranger" > wrote in message ... > Edwin Pawlowski > wrote in message > m... > > "The Ranger" > wrote in message > > > > It was Philly; what did you expect? It's home to a bunch > > > of inbred, self-absorbed, backwoods, know-nothings > > > congregated into living Real LifeŽ through Sy Stalone's > > > movies. > > > > > All 2 million of them? > > 1, 999, 999 that I've personally met and talked to -- yes. The Lone Rule > Breaker (1) that shocked me -- no. > > > Never been there have you? > > Often enough to know I will NEVER live there. > > The Ranger > > Wow, what a bunch of morons some of you are. On both sides of the fence--southern and northern--and across the yard, out west. It might be best to stick to cooking talk. ( I am a southerner AND a northerner. And I have a functioning brain so I don't make stupid generalizations based upon imagined regional character.) |
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Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote: > Quite frankly I don't see all the fuss anyway. As you said, almost all > immigrant nationalities, races and religions have been joked about and/or > hated. Being Irish and *** I've had the double whammy ;) Personally I > think the jokes are funny. I can laugh at myself. I don't think it's funny when there's real hatred behind it. The anti-Mexican fervor out here is unbelievable. -L. |
O.T. Acceptable Bigotry? WAS I'm a Southerner Now
"-L." > wrote in message ups.com... > > Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote: > > Quite frankly I don't see all the fuss anyway. As you said, almost all > > immigrant nationalities, races and religions have been joked about and/or > > hated. Being Irish and *** I've had the double whammy ;) Personally I > > think the jokes are funny. I can laugh at myself. > > I don't think it's funny when there's real hatred behind it. The > anti-Mexican fervor out here is unbelievable. > It's not funny. It's never funny. And this is coming from someone who can usually find the humor in any situation. |
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