"Don Gray" > wrote in message
...
> The Wolf wrote:
> >
> > I've compiled the complete list of things Americans invented and Brits
took
> > credit for. You know, like the jet engine.
> >
> Dear Woofie, You, many American politicians and 'Hollywood' lay claims to
so
> many 'American deeds and accomplishments', which have no bearing on any
> truth, as citizens know it, that even your public begin to read it as
'fact'.
>
> I'll aquaint you with a few facts.
>
> 1. Claim. America won WW11. Fact - In 1940, over a year after hostilities
> commenced, only 8% of Americans wanted to aid Gt Britain. As late as May
> 1941, according to a Gallup Poll, 77% opposed fighting the Germans and
> Japanese, unless their country was provoked.
>
> 2. 'Help' did begin in 1940, but at what cost!! Friend America 'lent'
> destroyers - asking in return that bases in the West Indies and
Newfoundland
> be given to them - friend indeed! Britain gave freely of its resources and
> men to help overcome a despot and murderer with no 'strings attached'.
>
> 3. Assistance. In 1941, Congress agreed lendlease, which meant deferred
> payment until after the war. Fact - when it ended in 1945, Britain found
> itself in horrendous debt, which America capitalised on by loans at
> extortionate rates of interest. This left Britain crippled until the late
> 50's. Friend indeed!!
>
> Hollywood has been and still is re-writing history portraying, sometimes
with
> outright lies, America's part in the war.
>
> 4. Remember Spielberg's film 'D-Day', which portrayed the Normandy
landings
> as 'An American victory'. Fact - 40% of the force comprised British and
> Canadians. Other nationalities also assisted eg. Free French, Poles.
>
> 5. Film - 'U-571' Brazen recasting of history again. American sailors
> capturing the vital codebook for the 'Enigma' machine. Fact - Royal Naval
> sailors accomplished this!!
>
> Every knowledgeable person accepts that after the African losses, the
Italian
> campaign and most importantly of all, the Russian Front, Germany's star
had
> wained and she was on the backfoot and mortally weakened, right up to the
> end.
>
> Don

You need to understand America only enjoins in conflicts which it knows it
can win

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> The Wolf wrote:
>
> >
> > >> 5. Film - 'U-571' Brazen recasting of history again. American
> > >> sailors capturing the vital codebook for the 'Enigma' machine.
> > >> Fact - Royal Naval sailors accomplished this!!
> > >
> >
> > Dumbass! U-571 was a movie, they could say the Mexicans captured the sub
if
> > they wanted to.
>
> The problem is that too many people seem to glean most of their historical
data
> base from fictitious accounts of historical events. That was one of many
> examples of Hollywood playing on patriotism through misinformation. It was
> loosely based on fact. Getting hold of an Enigma machine was a crucial
factor
> in winning the war, but it was not done by Americans

Not most people, just most Americans
>
>

"The Wolf" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/26/03 9:10 PM, in article , "Dave
Smith"
> > opined:
>
> > The Wolf wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>>> 5. Film - 'U-571' Brazen recasting of history again. American
> >>>> sailors capturing the vital codebook for the 'Enigma' machine.
> >>>> Fact - Royal Naval sailors accomplished this!!
> >>>
> >>
> >> Dumbass! U-571 was a movie, they could say the Mexicans captured the
sub if
> >> they wanted to.
> >
> > The problem is that too many people seem to glean most of their
historical
> > data
> > base from fictitious accounts of historical events. That was one of
many
> > examples of Hollywood playing on patriotism through misinformation. It
was
> > loosely based on fact. Getting hold of an Enigma machine was a crucial
factor
> > in winning the war, but it was not done by Americans.
> >
> >
> NO ****ING SHIT! IT WAS A MOVIE RETARD! LET ME BREAK THIS TO YOU GENTLY,
> THERE NEVER WAS A GIANT MONKEY THAT CLIMBED THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING.

Speaking of "RETARDS" King Kong was an Ape not a Monkey
> --
> ================================================== =================
> "When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
> artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
> here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
> (1706-1790)
> ================================================== =================
>

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> Dans un moment de folie, Dave Smith >
> écrivit:
>
> > Getting hold of an Enigma machine was a crucial factor in winning
> > the war, but it was not done by Americans.
>
> Nor were the Brits stupid enough to turn over Enigma to the US.

No we would have but they could not quite grasp it's complexities

>
> --
>
> My trip to Asia begins here in Japan for an important
> reason. It begins here because for a century-and-a-half
> now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and
> enduring alliances of modern times. From that alliance
> has come an era of peace in the Pacific.
>
> George Bush, 18 Feb 2002, Tokyo

"Don Gray" > wrote in message
...
> The Wolf wrote:
> >
> > I've compiled the complete list of things Americans invented and Brits
took
> > credit for. You know, like the jet engine.
> >
> Dear Woofie, You, many American politicians and 'Hollywood' lay claims to
so
> many 'American deeds and accomplishments', which have no bearing on any
> truth, as citizens know it, that even your public begin to read it as
'fact'.
>
> I'll aquaint you with a few facts.
>
> 1. Claim. America won WW11. Fact - In 1940, over a year after hostilities
> commenced, only 8% of Americans wanted to aid Gt Britain. As late as May
> 1941, according to a Gallup Poll, 77% opposed fighting the Germans and
> Japanese, unless their country was provoked.
>
> 2. 'Help' did begin in 1940, but at what cost!! Friend America 'lent'
> destroyers - asking in return that bases in the West Indies and
Newfoundland
> be given to them - friend indeed! Britain gave freely of its resources and
> men to help overcome a despot and murderer with no 'strings attached'.
>
> 3. Assistance. In 1941, Congress agreed lendlease, which meant deferred
> payment until after the war. Fact - when it ended in 1945, Britain found
> itself in horrendous debt, which America capitalised on by loans at
> extortionate rates of interest. This left Britain crippled until the late
> 50's. Friend indeed!!
>
> Hollywood has been and still is re-writing history portraying, sometimes
with
> outright lies, America's part in the war.
>
> 4. Remember Spielberg's film 'D-Day', which portrayed the Normandy
landings
> as 'An American victory'. Fact - 40% of the force comprised British and
> Canadians. Other nationalities also assisted eg. Free French, Poles.
>
> 5. Film - 'U-571' Brazen recasting of history again. American sailors
> capturing the vital codebook for the 'Enigma' machine. Fact - Royal Naval
> sailors accomplished this!!
>
> Every knowledgeable person accepts that after the African losses, the
Italian
> campaign and most importantly of all, the Russian Front, Germany's star
had
> wained and she was on the backfoot and mortally weakened, right up to the
> end.
>
> Don

America only enjoins in disputes it knows can win; however they screwed up
badly in V-N

Dans un moment de folie, "Owen Roberts"
> écrivit:

> America only enjoins in disputes it knows can win; however they
> screwed up badly in V-N

They didn't do so well in Mexico chasing down Villa, or Nicaragua
trying to kill Sandino, or for that matter in Somalia where they not
only botched a rescue mission to recover an assassination squad but
also failed to capture their objective, Mohammad Farah Aidid. And to
top it off, they have neither Osama Ben Laden or Saddam Husayn. One
can conclude they can only find people who are standing still and offer
no defense, like Diem, Noriega or Allende.

--

My trip to Asia begins here in Japan for an important
reason. It begins here because for a century-and-a-half
now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and
enduring alliances of modern times. From that alliance
has come an era of peace in the Pacific.

George Bush, 18 Feb 2002, Tokyo

On 9/29/03 10:00 PM, in article , "Owen
Roberts" > opined:

>
> "The Wolf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9/26/03 9:10 PM, in article , "Dave
> Smith"
>> > opined:
>>
>>> The Wolf wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> 5. Film - 'U-571' Brazen recasting of history again. American
>>>>>> sailors capturing the vital codebook for the 'Enigma' machine.
>>>>>> Fact - Royal Naval sailors accomplished this!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dumbass! U-571 was a movie, they could say the Mexicans captured the
> sub if
>>>> they wanted to.
>>>
>>> The problem is that too many people seem to glean most of their
> historical
>>> data
>>> base from fictitious accounts of historical events. That was one of
> many
>>> examples of Hollywood playing on patriotism through misinformation. It
> was
>>> loosely based on fact. Getting hold of an Enigma machine was a crucial
> factor
>>> in winning the war, but it was not done by Americans.
>>>
>>>
>> NO ****ING SHIT! IT WAS A MOVIE RETARD! LET ME BREAK THIS TO YOU GENTLY,
>> THERE NEVER WAS A GIANT MONKEY THAT CLIMBED THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING.
>
> Speaking of "RETARDS" King Kong was an Ape not a Monkey>

I stand corrected. You should know since you are related!
>

--
================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

"The Wolf" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/29/03 10:00 PM, in article , "Owen
> Roberts" > opined:
>
> >
> > "The Wolf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 9/26/03 9:10 PM, in article , "Dave
> > Smith"
> >> > opined:
> >>
> >>> The Wolf wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> 5. Film - 'U-571' Brazen recasting of history again. American
> >>>>>> sailors capturing the vital codebook for the 'Enigma' machine.
> >>>>>> Fact - Royal Naval sailors accomplished this!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dumbass! U-571 was a movie, they could say the Mexicans captured the
> > sub if
> >>>> they wanted to.
> >>>
> >>> The problem is that too many people seem to glean most of their
> > historical
> >>> data
> >>> base from fictitious accounts of historical events. That was one of
> > many
> >>> examples of Hollywood playing on patriotism through misinformation. It
> > was
> >>> loosely based on fact. Getting hold of an Enigma machine was a crucial
> > factor
> >>> in winning the war, but it was not done by Americans.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> NO ****ING SHIT! IT WAS A MOVIE RETARD! LET ME BREAK THIS TO YOU
GENTLY,
> >> THERE NEVER WAS A GIANT MONKEY THAT CLIMBED THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING.
> >
> > Speaking of "RETARDS" King Kong was an Ape not a Monkey>
>
> I stand corrected. You should know since you are related!

We all are sunshine
> >
>
> --
> ================================================== =================
> "When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
> artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
> here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
> (1706-1790)
> ================================================== =================
>

On 9/30/03 8:48 AM, in article , "Owen
Roberts" > opined:

>
> "The Wolf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9/29/03 10:00 PM, in article , "Owen
>> Roberts" > opined:
>>
>>>
>>> "The Wolf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 9/26/03 9:10 PM, in article , "Dave
>>> Smith"
>>>> > opined:
>>>>
>>>>> The Wolf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5. Film - 'U-571' Brazen recasting of history again. American
>>>>>>>> sailors capturing the vital codebook for the 'Enigma' machine.
>>>>>>>> Fact - Royal Naval sailors accomplished this!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dumbass! U-571 was a movie, they could say the Mexicans captured the
>>> sub if
>>>>>> they wanted to.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is that too many people seem to glean most of their
>>> historical
>>>>> data
>>>>> base from fictitious accounts of historical events. That was one of
>>> many
>>>>> examples of Hollywood playing on patriotism through misinformation. It
>>> was
>>>>> loosely based on fact. Getting hold of an Enigma machine was a crucial
>>> factor
>>>>> in winning the war, but it was not done by Americans.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> NO ****ING SHIT! IT WAS A MOVIE RETARD! LET ME BREAK THIS TO YOU
> GENTLY,
>>>> THERE NEVER WAS A GIANT MONKEY THAT CLIMBED THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING.
>>>
>>> Speaking of "RETARDS" King Kong was an Ape not a Monkey>
>>
>> I stand corrected. You should know since you are related!
>
> We all are sunshine

However, some more than others!
>>>
>>
>> --
>> ================================================== =================
>> "When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
>> artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
>> here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
>> (1706-1790)
>> ================================================== =================
>>
>
>

--
================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

Dans un moment de folie, "Owen Roberts"
> écrivit:

>> NO ****ING SHIT! IT WAS A MOVIE RETARD! LET ME BREAK THIS TO YOU
>> GENTLY, THERE NEVER WAS A GIANT MONKEY THAT CLIMBED THE EMPIRE
>> STATE BUILDING.
>
> Speaking of "RETARDS" King Kong was an Ape not a Monkey

Strictly speaking, it was a model of an ape.

--

My trip to Asia begins here in Japan for an important
reason. It begins here because for a century-and-a-half
now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and
enduring alliances of modern times. From that alliance
has come an era of peace in the Pacific.

George Bush, 18 Feb 2002, Tokyo

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> Dans un moment de folie, "Owen Roberts"
> > écrivit:
>
> >> NO ****ING SHIT! IT WAS A MOVIE RETARD! LET ME BREAK THIS TO YOU
> >> GENTLY, THERE NEVER WAS A GIANT MONKEY THAT CLIMBED THE EMPIRE
> >> STATE BUILDING.
> >
> > Speaking of "RETARDS" King Kong was an Ape not a Monkey
>
> Strictly speaking, it was a model of an ape.

no climbing other peoples buildings is not model behaviour

>
> --
>
> My trip to Asia begins here in Japan for an important
> reason. It begins here because for a century-and-a-half
> now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and
> enduring alliances of modern times. From that alliance
> has come an era of peace in the Pacific.
>
> George Bush, 18 Feb 2002, Tokyo

On 9/29/03 9:57 PM, in article , "Owen
Roberts" > opined:


>> Don
>
> You need to understand America only enjoins in conflicts which it knows it
> can win
>
>
How about the revolution, seems we kicked your ass!
--
================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

The Wolf wrote:

>
> > You need to understand America only enjoins in conflicts which it knows it
> > can win
> >
> >
> How about the revolution, seems we kicked your ass!

I wonder how the rebels would have fared if France and Spain had not declared
war on it at the same time. They had more important things to protect than the
colonies. They tried to take Canada in 1812 while Britain was tied up fighting
Napoleon in Europe. It's bad enough that they were repelled, but when the war
ended and the British Fleet was freed up they could not wait to negotiate and
end to it.

Dans un moment de folie, Dave Smith >
écrivit:

> The Wolf wrote:
>
>>
>> > You need to understand America only enjoins in conflicts which
>> > it knows it can win
>> >
>> >
>> How about the revolution, seems we kicked your ass!
>
> I wonder how the rebels would have fared if France and Spain had
> not declared war on it at the same time. They had more important
> things to protect than the colonies. They tried to take Canada in
> 1812 while Britain was tied up fighting Napoleon in Europe. It's
> bad enough that they were repelled, but when the war ended and the
> British Fleet was freed up they could not wait to negotiate and
> end to it.

They also tried in 1774-75 and were severely trounced outside of
Québec.

After 1812, we sent a punitive expedition, the only kind the US
understands, to burn Washington to the ground. My guess is they
learned their lesson because they've never tried that stunt again.

--

My trip to Asia begins here in Japan for an important
reason. It begins here because for a century-and-a-half
now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and
enduring alliances of modern times. From that alliance
has come an era of peace in the Pacific.

George Bush, 18 Feb 2002, Tokyo

On 9/30/03 12:04 AM, in article ,
"Michel Boucher" > opined:

> Dans un moment de folie, Dave Smith >
> écrivit:
>
>> The Wolf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> You need to understand America only enjoins in conflicts which
>>>> it knows it can win
>>>>
>>>>
>>> How about the revolution, seems we kicked your ass!
>>
>> I wonder how the rebels would have fared if France and Spain had
>> not declared war on it at the same time. They had more important
>> things to protect than the colonies. They tried to take Canada in
>> 1812 while Britain was tied up fighting Napoleon in Europe. It's
>> bad enough that they were repelled, but when the war ended and the
>> British Fleet was freed up they could not wait to negotiate and
>> end to it.
>
> They also tried in 1774-75 and were severely trounced outside of
> Québec.
>
> After 1812, we sent a punitive expedition, the only kind the US
> understands, to burn Washington to the ground. My guess is they
> learned their lesson because they've never tried that stunt again.

Why is it there are only 30 million canadians and 300 million Americans.

IF we ever need your oil, lumber or other natural resources we will take it
like candy from a baby.
--
================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

"The Wolf" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/30/03 12:04 AM, in article
,
> "Michel Boucher" > opined:
>
> > Dans un moment de folie, Dave Smith >
> > écrivit:
> >
> >> The Wolf wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> You need to understand America only enjoins in conflicts which
> >>>> it knows it can win
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> How about the revolution, seems we kicked your ass!
> >>
> >> I wonder how the rebels would have fared if France and Spain had
> >> not declared war on it at the same time. They had more important
> >> things to protect than the colonies. They tried to take Canada in
> >> 1812 while Britain was tied up fighting Napoleon in Europe. It's
> >> bad enough that they were repelled, but when the war ended and the
> >> British Fleet was freed up they could not wait to negotiate and
> >> end to it.
> >
> > They also tried in 1774-75 and were severely trounced outside of
> > Québec.
> >
> > After 1812, we sent a punitive expedition, the only kind the US
> > understands, to burn Washington to the ground. My guess is they
> > learned their lesson because they've never tried that stunt again.
>
> Why is it there are only 30 million canadians and 300 million Americans.
>
> IF we ever need your oil, lumber or other natural resources we will take
it
> like candy from a baby.

And he wonders why the resat of the world don't trust the US
> --
> ================================================== =================
> "When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
> artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
> here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
> (1706-1790)
> ================================================== =================
>