A lot of you have mentioned gardening, so I figured I might as well
ask.

Do any of you garden in horrible conditions - very little light, too
much rain?

When we first moved here, my mom tried to garden. Only one spot had
decent light, so she tried potatoes. We got some great bite sized
potatoes. We all laughed, and she gave up.

When we spent a few years in Iowa, we had a 1/2 acre garden that was
really nice. But now all we seem to grow is Moss. This is Western
Washington, and our house is surrounded by tall trees. Not a lot of
light. We can't even grow grass.

My mom does grow tomatos in large pots, but she must pull them while
they are green, or the raccoons will eat them.

Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
not much light?


--
Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

"Meghan Noecker" > wrote in message
...
>A lot of you have mentioned gardening, so I figured I might as well
> ask.
>
> Do any of you garden in horrible conditions - very little light, too
> much rain?
>
> When we first moved here, my mom tried to garden. Only one spot had
> decent light, so she tried potatoes. We got some great bite sized
> potatoes. We all laughed, and she gave up.
>
> When we spent a few years in Iowa, we had a 1/2 acre garden that was
> really nice. But now all we seem to grow is Moss. This is Western
> Washington, and our house is surrounded by tall trees. Not a lot of
> light. We can't even grow grass.
>
> My mom does grow tomatos in large pots, but she must pull them while
> they are green, or the raccoons will eat them.
>
> Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
> not much light?
>
>
> --
> Meghan & the Zoo Crew
> Equine and Pet Photography
> http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

Everybody gardens in horrible conditions. This is why it's an adventure.

"Meghan Noecker" > wrote in message
...
>A lot of you have mentioned gardening, so I figured I might as well
> ask.
>
> Do any of you garden in horrible conditions - very little light, too
> much rain?
>
> When we first moved here, my mom tried to garden. Only one spot had
> decent light, so she tried potatoes. We got some great bite sized
> potatoes. We all laughed, and she gave up.
>
> When we spent a few years in Iowa, we had a 1/2 acre garden that was
> really nice. But now all we seem to grow is Moss. This is Western
> Washington, and our house is surrounded by tall trees. Not a lot of
> light. We can't even grow grass.
>
> My mom does grow tomatos in large pots, but she must pull them while
> they are green, or the raccoons will eat them.
>
> Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
> not much light?
>
>
> --
> Meghan & the Zoo Crew
> Equine and Pet Photography
> http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade gardening:
"The Complete Shade Gardener"
by George Schenk

It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on vegetables. Very
interesting.

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:47:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> wrote:

>
>Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade gardening:
>"The Complete Shade Gardener"
>by George Schenk
>
>It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on vegetables. Very
>interesting.
>
>

Thanks!

I never thought of "shade" as a keyword. No wonder I couldn't find
much.










--
Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

"Meghan Noecker" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:47:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade
>>gardening:
>>"The Complete Shade Gardener"
>>by George Schenk
>>
>>It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on vegetables. Very
>>interesting.
>>
>>
>
> Thanks!
>
> I never thought of "shade" as a keyword. No wonder I couldn't find
> much.

Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to stop
buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse than a
dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.

In article >,
(Meghan Noecker) wrote:

> A lot of you have mentioned gardening, so I figured I might as well
> ask.
>
> Do any of you garden in horrible conditions - very little light, too
> much rain?
>
> When we first moved here, my mom tried to garden. Only one spot had
> decent light, so she tried potatoes. We got some great bite sized
> potatoes. We all laughed, and she gave up.
>
> When we spent a few years in Iowa, we had a 1/2 acre garden that was
> really nice. But now all we seem to grow is Moss. This is Western
> Washington, and our house is surrounded by tall trees. Not a lot of
> light. We can't even grow grass.
>
> My mom does grow tomatos in large pots, but she must pull them while
> they are green, or the raccoons will eat them.
>
> Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
> not much light?
>
>
> --
> Meghan & the Zoo Crew

Mushrooms.

And I'm not kidding.
Your conditions are ideal.
Go here for spawn and instructions:

http://www.fungiperfecti.com/

Water type plants such as cress, wasabi, ginseng and Taro should also do
well under those conditions.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "Meghan Noecker" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:47:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade
> >>gardening:
> >>"The Complete Shade Gardener"
> >>by George Schenk
> >>
> >>It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on vegetables. Very
> >>interesting.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > I never thought of "shade" as a keyword. No wonder I couldn't find
> > much.
>
> Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to stop
> buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse than a
> dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.
>
>

Okay, does it tell what to grow in hot shady conditions? With little
water? ;-)
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
>> "Meghan Noecker" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:47:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade
>> >>gardening:
>> >>"The Complete Shade Gardener"
>> >>by George Schenk
>> >>
>> >>It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on vegetables.
>> >>Very
>> >>interesting.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > I never thought of "shade" as a keyword. No wonder I couldn't find
>> > much.
>>
>> Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to stop
>> buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse than a
>> dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.
>>
>>
>
> Okay, does it tell what to grow in hot shady conditions? With little
> water? ;-)

Yes. Buy the book.

Meghan Noecker wrote:

> Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
> not much light?


You're pretty much out of luck...try aquaculture, you might be able to grow
some sea cucumbers.

--
Best
Greg

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Meghan Noecker" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:47:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>Get a copy of what's probably the best book ever written on shade
> >> >>gardening:
> >> >>"The Complete Shade Gardener"
> >> >>by George Schenk
> >> >>
> >> >>It's mostly about ornamentals, but there's a section on vegetables.
> >> >>Very
> >> >>interesting.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > I never thought of "shade" as a keyword. No wonder I couldn't find
> >> > much.
> >>
> >> Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to stop
> >> buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse than a
> >> dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Okay, does it tell what to grow in hot shady conditions? With little
> > water? ;-)
>
> Yes. Buy the book.
>
>

Saved to the desktop for my next Amazon.com coupon. ;-)
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article . net>,
"Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:

> Meghan Noecker wrote:
>
> > Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
> > not much light?
>
>
> You're pretty much out of luck...try aquaculture, you might be able to grow
> some sea cucumbers.

No.

Her conditions are ideal for Mushrooms... and I envy her. ;-)

Low calorie and delicious!

I'm fixin' to take down a pair of trees that should never have been
allowed to mature due to their location. I'll cut the trunks into 3'
sections and let them sit for a minimum of 2 weeks as per the
recommendations of the folks selling the plug spawn.

I'll then innoculate them with some Oyster mushroom and shitake, and am
being tempted by some Lion's mane... <G> Maitake is a consideration too.
These are Hackberry wood.

I'll mark the "up" on them when I cut them down and will put them in
pots, then in the coolest, most shaded area of the greenhouses.
Hopefully I'll get a good crop this fall or winter.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> I'm fixin' to take down a pair of trees that should never have been
> allowed to mature due to their location. I'll cut the trunks into 3'
> sections and let them sit for a minimum of 2 weeks as per the
> recommendations of the folks selling the plug spawn.
>
> I'll then innoculate them with some Oyster mushroom and shitake, and am
> being tempted by some Lion's mane... <G> Maitake is a consideration too.
> These are Hackberry wood.


Could you possibly try Hen of the Woods? They look really cool (never seen
them for sale or eaten them)...

How about morels?

--
Best
Greg

In article . net>,
"Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> > I'm fixin' to take down a pair of trees that should never have been
> > allowed to mature due to their location. I'll cut the trunks into 3'
> > sections and let them sit for a minimum of 2 weeks as per the
> > recommendations of the folks selling the plug spawn.
> >
> > I'll then innoculate them with some Oyster mushroom and shitake, and am
> > being tempted by some Lion's mane... <G> Maitake is a consideration too.
> > These are Hackberry wood.
>
>
> Could you possibly try Hen of the Woods? They look really cool (never seen
> them for sale or eaten them)...

That is what maitake is. ;-)

http://www2.mailordercentral.com/fun...KGF100&VARIATI
ON=&AITEM=1&MITEM=1

>
> How about morels?

Morels are difficult and have to have just the right environment:

http://www2.mailordercentral.com/fun...KMA100&VARIATI
ON=&AITEM=1&MITEM=1

I'd love to grow Morels but would have to have a seriously protected
spot for my geographic region. I might try it someday in a more
controlled setup...

Read Stammet's book. It's utterly fascinating and well worth the price:

http://www2.mailordercentral.com/fun...MGGM&VARIATION
=&AITEM=1&MITEM=1

Cheers!
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Meghan Noecker wrote:
>
> Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
> not much light?

There are plenty of perennials that do well in low light but there are
no vegetables/fruits (as in *none*) that will thrive in shade.

Sheldon

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Meghan Noecker wrote:
>>
>> Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
>> not much light?
>
> There are plenty of perennials that do well in low light but there are
> no vegetables/fruits (as in *none*) that will thrive in shade.

.....except for the ones that do.

Doug Kanter wrote:

> Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to stop
> buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse than a
> dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.

I will. It will actually be for my mom. She loved to garden and was
really disappointed when everything here failed so badly. And we
laughed at her mini potatoes. And teh Raccoons pooped in the tomato
pots before stealing the ripe ones...

Now, why is it that my newsreader only showed me a few responses, but
checking google, I see a bunch more replies?

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> Her conditions are ideal for Mushrooms... and I envy her. ;-)

Well, my nephew would be thrilled, and my former cat would have loved
them. But I am known for removing mushrooms anytime I find them. Flavor
is fine. It's that texture thing again.

On 24 Mar 2006 22:46:04 -0800, "
> wrote:

>
>Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>> Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to stop
>> buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse than a
>> dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.
>
>I will. It will actually be for my mom. She loved to garden and was
>really disappointed when everything here failed so badly. And we
>laughed at her mini potatoes. And teh Raccoons pooped in the tomato
>pots before stealing the ripe ones...
>
>Now, why is it that my newsreader only showed me a few responses, but
>checking google, I see a bunch more replies?


Most states have an Extension Service for information on gardening and
cooking. See if you can find it or a local branch. Go to a local
(not big box) nursery and see what they suggest. Look at the tags on
plants and see which ones suggest full or partial shade.

I you are primarily interested in vegetable gardening go to
rec.gardening.edible.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974

wrote:

> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>
>>Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to stop
>>buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse than a
>>dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.
>
>
> I will. It will actually be for my mom. She loved to garden and was
> really disappointed when everything here failed so badly. And we
> laughed at her mini potatoes. And teh Raccoons pooped in the tomato
> pots before stealing the ripe ones...

I put in potatoes every year specifically for the baby potatoes. DH
loves them! Raccoons can be real garden pests! Squirrels will steal
the green tomatoes just as they get a bit of a blush. My main veggie
garden gets more shade than I would like but it does ok. Our solution
was to raise the canopy of one large tree and do a good trimming on
another last year. That really helped. My strawberries don't seem to
mind the shade which I find rather surprising. Yet they produce nice
sized berries and a lot of them. I have a smaller veggie garden that
gets very little sun but I use it for any extra plants and the potatoes.
The soil there is really good so maybe that's why the plants do ok.
>
> Now, why is it that my newsreader only showed me a few responses, but
> checking google, I see a bunch more replies?
>

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>> Get that book! Seriously - you'll be amazed. And broke. It's hard to stop
>> buying plants, especially after reading his descriptions. Worse than a
>> dessert menu at a fancy restaurant.
>
> I will. It will actually be for my mom. She loved to garden and was
> really disappointed when everything here failed so badly. And we
> laughed at her mini potatoes. And teh Raccoons pooped in the tomato
> pots before stealing the ripe ones...

There are so many varieties of spuds that most vendors don't sell. I'd be
surprised if she couldn't find one that did better in shade. And, what's so
wrong with mini-potatoes? The grocery stores charge more for them.

>
> Now, why is it that my newsreader only showed me a few responses, but
> checking google, I see a bunch more replies?
>

I've been trying to get to the bottom of this issue for two months. Is your
ISP Frontier Communications or one of its subsidiaries?

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> "Sheldon" wrote:
> > Meghan Noecker wrote:
> > >
> > > Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
> > > not much light?
> >
> > There are plenty of perennials that do well in low light but there are
> > no vegetables/fruits (as in *none*) that will thrive in shade.
>
> Wrong.
>
> I consider mushrooms to be a veggie...... ;-)

You consider your plastic dildo sex too...... ;-)

Mushroom is a fungus. It's actually closer to meat than vegetable but
fungus is neither... do you really consider your vaginal yeast the same
as spinach? hehe

Sheldon Smut

"~patches~" > wrote in message
...

> I put in potatoes every year specifically for the baby potatoes. DH loves
> them! Raccoons can be real garden pests! Squirrels will steal the green
> tomatoes just as they get a bit of a blush. My main veggie garden gets
> more shade than I would like but it does ok. Our solution was to raise
> the canopy of one large tree and do a good trimming on another last year.
> That really helped. My strawberries don't seem to mind the shade which I
> find rather surprising. Yet they produce nice sized berries and a lot of
> them. I have a smaller veggie garden that gets very little sun but I use
> it for any extra plants and the potatoes. The soil there is really good so
> maybe that's why the plants do ok.

Patches, where do you have a garden? Is it right along side your boat that
is docked? Or is it a separate piece of land away from the water? From my
recollection of boats and houseboats, they never have land surrounding them.
I'm just curious as you've mentioned rabbits, squirrels, etc, and I don't
associate these with boating areas -
I think I've seen some seascapes of where you live though, nothing close-up.
Your life-style (abode) is a bit different than most of the posters here (I
think), so you are of interest to me and probably many others.
Quite intriguing you are,
Dee Dee

Dee Randall wrote:

> "~patches~" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>I put in potatoes every year specifically for the baby potatoes. DH loves
>>them! Raccoons can be real garden pests! Squirrels will steal the green
>>tomatoes just as they get a bit of a blush. My main veggie garden gets
>>more shade than I would like but it does ok. Our solution was to raise
>>the canopy of one large tree and do a good trimming on another last year.
>>That really helped. My strawberries don't seem to mind the shade which I
>>find rather surprising. Yet they produce nice sized berries and a lot of
>>them. I have a smaller veggie garden that gets very little sun but I use
>>it for any extra plants and the potatoes. The soil there is really good so
>>maybe that's why the plants do ok.
>
>
> Patches, where do you have a garden? Is it right along side your boat that
> is docked? Or is it a separate piece of land away from the water? From my
> recollection of boats and houseboats, they never have land surrounding them.
> I'm just curious as you've mentioned rabbits, squirrels, etc, and I don't
> associate these with boating areas -
> I think I've seen some seascapes of where you live though, nothing close-up.
> Your life-style (abode) is a bit different than most of the posters here (I
> think), so you are of interest to me and probably many others.
> Quite intriguing you are,
> Dee Dee
>
>
Oh we don't live on a houseboat. I would really love to though. We
live in a house on the water - waterfront property - and our boat lives
in a covered slip at a marina when not in use. The gardens are at the
house. Our lot is 210' deep so there is lots of room for garden
expansion. During the spring all the focus is on starting seeds and
planting the garden as well as getting the boat ready for spring. It
will be lifted into the water May 1 so DH has been systematically going
through all the checklists and we'll spend a fair amount of time
sprucing her up before she goes into the water. We take our first
boating weekend May 5 to 8 this year. We have some wood refinishing we
want to do and she really needs a waxing. DH has arranged for a new
camper top on the boat so it will likely be done before she's in the
water too. Once the main boating season starts, all work on the boat
stops except for emergency repairs. Late spring early summer the
canning season starts. The general routine during the heat of the
summer is do a little garden work during the early cool of the morning.
That translates into about 5:30 am for me. I love being out at
this time of day. Putter in the house, do any necessary canning and make
something for the picnic cooler. Then we take off in the boat where we
end up swimming, sometimes fishing, lounging, and eating dinner. We
normally end up on the way back to the slip while the sun is setting.
Now this will sound funny to you but we actually welcome rainy days
during the summer. That means work will get done at home or on the
boat. The canning continues through the summer and really esculates mid
August continuing into late fall. I do a lot of canning either early
morning or late night so that leaves the afternoons free for boating
plus I try to plan it so that we can go out for 2 or 3 long weekends.
Our last overnight boating trip is mid-Oct and the boat is lifted out of
the water Nov 1. I think that's about it.

In article .com>,
" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> > Her conditions are ideal for Mushrooms... and I envy her. ;-)
>
> Well, my nephew would be thrilled, and my former cat would have loved
> them. But I am known for removing mushrooms anytime I find them. Flavor
> is fine. It's that texture thing again.
>

I understand... :-)
To each their own.

Some different species have different textures.

Which ones have you tried?
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article .com>,
"Sheldon" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > "Sheldon" wrote:
> > > Meghan Noecker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
> > > > not much light?
> > >
> > > There are plenty of perennials that do well in low light but there are
> > > no vegetables/fruits (as in *none*) that will thrive in shade.
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > I consider mushrooms to be a veggie...... ;-)
>
> You consider your plastic dildo sex too...... ;-)

At least I "get mine" that way. <G>
No guarantee the "other" way!

Guys can be selfish. <sigh>

>
> Mushroom is a fungus. It's actually closer to meat than vegetable but
> fungus is neither... do you really consider your vaginal yeast the same
> as spinach? hehe

That's just nasty Shel'. :-P

Only if you consider bread, wine and beer as related to vaginal cheese...

Hey, YOU went there first! <smirk>

>
> Sheldon Smut

Om Smuttier......

>
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
> Dee Randall wrote:
>
>> "~patches~" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>>>I put in potatoes every year specifically for the baby potatoes. DH
>>>loves them! Raccoons can be real garden pests! Squirrels will steal the
>>>green tomatoes just as they get a bit of a blush. My main veggie garden
>>>gets more shade than I would like but it does ok. Our solution was to
>>>raise the canopy of one large tree and do a good trimming on another last
>>>year. That really helped. My strawberries don't seem to mind the shade
>>>which I find rather surprising. Yet they produce nice sized berries and
>>>a lot of them. I have a smaller veggie garden that gets very little sun
>>>but I use it for any extra plants and the potatoes. The soil there is
>>>really good so maybe that's why the plants do ok.
>>
>>
>> Patches, where do you have a garden? Is it right along side your boat
>> that is docked? Or is it a separate piece of land away from the water?
>> From my recollection of boats and houseboats, they never have land
>> surrounding them.
>> I'm just curious as you've mentioned rabbits, squirrels, etc, and I don't
>> associate these with boating areas -
>> I think I've seen some seascapes of where you live though, nothing
>> close-up. Your life-style (abode) is a bit different than most of the
>> posters here (I think), so you are of interest to me and probably many
>> others.
>> Quite intriguing you are,
>> Dee Dee
>>
>>
> Oh we don't live on a houseboat. I would really love to though. We live
> in a house on the water - waterfront property - and our boat lives in a
> covered slip at a marina when not in use. The gardens are at the house.
> Our lot is 210' deep so there is lots of room for garden expansion.
> During the spring all the focus is on starting seeds and planting the
> garden as well as getting the boat ready for spring. It will be lifted
> into the water May 1 so DH has been systematically going through all the
> checklists and we'll spend a fair amount of time sprucing her up before
> she goes into the water. We take our first boating weekend May 5 to 8
> this year. We have some wood refinishing we want to do and she really
> needs a waxing. DH has arranged for a new camper top on the boat so it
> will likely be done before she's in the water too. Once the main boating
> season starts, all work on the boat stops except for emergency repairs.
> Late spring early summer the canning season starts. The general routine
> during the heat of the summer is do a little garden work during the early
> cool of the morning. That translates into about 5:30 am for me. I love
> being out at this time of day. Putter in the house, do any necessary
> canning and make something for the picnic cooler. Then we take off in the
> boat where we end up swimming, sometimes fishing, lounging, and eating
> dinner. We normally end up on the way back to the slip while the sun is
> setting. Now this will sound funny to you but we actually welcome rainy
> days during the summer. That means work will get done at home or on the
> boat. The canning continues through the summer and really esculates mid
> August continuing into late fall. I do a lot of canning either early
> morning or late night so that leaves the afternoons free for boating plus
> I try to plan it so that we can go out for 2 or 3 long weekends. Our last
> overnight boating trip is mid-Oct and the boat is lifted out of the water
> Nov 1. I think that's about it.

Well, that certainly straightens up my thinking. Why was I thinking 'house
boat' who knows?
I also had you placed at Ottawa as there is a Lake Constance near --Lake
Constance I remember in Europe -- was quite beautiful. I've only been to
Ottawa once -- driving I think from Toronto to Montreal perhaps -- We really
enjoyed the Parliament building, walking around it for several hours and
down into the town.
It's odd how one on the internet places persons in certain surroundings,
most times without clear reason.
Thanks for letting me/us know about your abode and daily pleasures.
Dee Dee

Dee Randall wrote:

> "~patches~" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Dee Randall wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I put in potatoes every year specifically for the baby potatoes. DH
>>>>loves them! Raccoons can be real garden pests! Squirrels will steal the
>>>>green tomatoes just as they get a bit of a blush. My main veggie garden
>>>>gets more shade than I would like but it does ok. Our solution was to
>>>>raise the canopy of one large tree and do a good trimming on another last
>>>>year. That really helped. My strawberries don't seem to mind the shade
>>>>which I find rather surprising. Yet they produce nice sized berries and
>>>>a lot of them. I have a smaller veggie garden that gets very little sun
>>>>but I use it for any extra plants and the potatoes. The soil there is
>>>>really good so maybe that's why the plants do ok.
>>>
>>>
>>>Patches, where do you have a garden? Is it right along side your boat
>>>that is docked? Or is it a separate piece of land away from the water?
>>>From my recollection of boats and houseboats, they never have land
>>>surrounding them.
>>>I'm just curious as you've mentioned rabbits, squirrels, etc, and I don't
>>>associate these with boating areas -
>>>I think I've seen some seascapes of where you live though, nothing
>>>close-up. Your life-style (abode) is a bit different than most of the
>>>posters here (I think), so you are of interest to me and probably many
>>>others.
>>>Quite intriguing you are,
>>>Dee Dee
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Oh we don't live on a houseboat. I would really love to though. We live
>>in a house on the water - waterfront property - and our boat lives in a
>>covered slip at a marina when not in use. The gardens are at the house.
>>Our lot is 210' deep so there is lots of room for garden expansion.
>>During the spring all the focus is on starting seeds and planting the
>>garden as well as getting the boat ready for spring. It will be lifted
>>into the water May 1 so DH has been systematically going through all the
>>checklists and we'll spend a fair amount of time sprucing her up before
>>she goes into the water. We take our first boating weekend May 5 to 8
>>this year. We have some wood refinishing we want to do and she really
>>needs a waxing. DH has arranged for a new camper top on the boat so it
>>will likely be done before she's in the water too. Once the main boating
>>season starts, all work on the boat stops except for emergency repairs.
>>Late spring early summer the canning season starts. The general routine
>>during the heat of the summer is do a little garden work during the early
>>cool of the morning. That translates into about 5:30 am for me. I love
>>being out at this time of day. Putter in the house, do any necessary
>>canning and make something for the picnic cooler. Then we take off in the
>>boat where we end up swimming, sometimes fishing, lounging, and eating
>>dinner. We normally end up on the way back to the slip while the sun is
>>setting. Now this will sound funny to you but we actually welcome rainy
>>days during the summer. That means work will get done at home or on the
>>boat. The canning continues through the summer and really esculates mid
>>August continuing into late fall. I do a lot of canning either early
>>morning or late night so that leaves the afternoons free for boating plus
>>I try to plan it so that we can go out for 2 or 3 long weekends. Our last
>>overnight boating trip is mid-Oct and the boat is lifted out of the water
>>Nov 1. I think that's about it.
>
>
> Well, that certainly straightens up my thinking. Why was I thinking 'house
> boat' who knows?
> I also had you placed at Ottawa as there is a Lake Constance near --Lake
> Constance I remember in Europe -- was quite beautiful. I've only been to
> Ottawa once -- driving I think from Toronto to Montreal perhaps -- We really
> enjoyed the Parliament building, walking around it for several hours and
> down into the town.
> It's odd how one on the internet places persons in certain surroundings,
> most times without clear reason.
> Thanks for letting me/us know about your abode and daily pleasures.
> Dee Dee
>
>
Not in Ottawa but certainly on the water. You likely thought houseboat
because of the term I use "on the water". IMO, any place on the water
is beautiful - meaning your house has a view and your land abutts the
water. Land meets water. I grew up on the water and loved it. It's a
way of life that can't be beat and I think is superiour to artifical
entertainment. DH has always wanted a boat so it's was a match made in
heaven when we were able to buy this house. Now I get to enjoy the
water two ways - from the comforts of my home, talk about beautiful
skies, and from the boat. It's a win win situation for me.

Ottawa is indeed a beautiful place to visit. We've been there many
times. I love Montreal and Quebec City too. My favourite city is
Toronto. We're there quite often.

Yes the internet is funny because your form impressions of other posters
based solely on their printed words.

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
> OmManiPadmeOmelet > hitched up their panties and
> posted :
>
> >
> > Okay, does it tell what to grow in hot shady conditions? With little
> > water? ;-)
>
> Hostas will survive us all
>
> Michael

Also lilly of the valley, altho they are poisonous, so not around small
children. And violets.

In article >,
"Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan" > wrote:

> "Doug Kanter" > hitched up their panties and
> posted news >
> >
> > There are so many varieties of spuds that most vendors don't sell. I'd
> > be surprised if she couldn't find one that did better in shade. And,
> > what's so wrong with mini-potatoes? The grocery stores charge more for
> > them.
>
> Yep. And I will never be able to figure it out. Anything in the "baby"
> veggie category is more expensive here.


Also anything big. The really big potatoes are more expensive per pound
than the medium. Same with garlic and mushrooms.

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

"Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote in message
...
> "maxine in ri" > hitched up their panties and posted
> ups.com:
>
>>
>> Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
>>> OmManiPadmeOmelet > hitched up their panties and
>>> posted :
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Okay, does it tell what to grow in hot shady conditions? With little
>>> > water? ;-)
>>>
>>> Hostas will survive us all
>>>
>>> Michael
>>
>> Also lilly of the valley, altho they are poisonous, so not around small
>> children. And violets.
>>
>>
>
> Lilly of the valley is poisonous to small children? Sheesh... I didn't
> know
> that. Thanks. I never know when one of the wilderbeasts down the street
> is
> going to show up. I appreciate the information.
>
> Michael

Don't worry about it. They'd have to eat a shitload of it to get sick. And,
children small enough to eat strange things shouldn't be wandering around
unsupervised anyway. Kids are not as stupid as some adults. I used to have
monkshood in my garden. Serious stuff. I told the 2 most frequent little
visitors not to touch it or it would make them very sick. Not only did they
give it a wide berth from that point on, but they told everyone they knew.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:58:45 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> wrote:


>
>There are so many varieties of spuds that most vendors don't sell. I'd be
>surprised if she couldn't find one that did better in shade. And, what's so
>wrong with mini-potatoes? The grocery stores charge more for them.
>

They were great, but we laughed at them. I think she felt bad, and
after all the effort, was pretty disapoointed.

>>
>> Now, why is it that my newsreader only showed me a few responses, but
>> checking google, I see a bunch more replies?
>>
>
>I've been trying to get to the bottom of this issue for two months. Is your
>ISP Frontier Communications or one of its subsidiaries?
>
>

I use a local ISP. They actually dumped the news server years ago, and
then finally got one again, but only for the high speed connections.
It took a lot of begging, before they set up another account for me
that gives me news server access with my dialup account. I do have to
hangup and redial to get it though. I can sometimes get email and some
websites with the news server connection. But most often, I can't. So,
I have to changed connections to go between them.

This is why I will get quiet for a while and then come back on. It
depends on if I have the time to change servers. If I am only doing a
little bit at a time, I will just use google. But I have to search
through the threads to find new messages.

I know that on another newsgroup, one member can only see my posts if
I send them though google. It's as if my isp is killfiled, but it
isn't. I don't know of anybody on that group in my area, a probably
half aren't even in the US, maybe more.


--
Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:16:56 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> wrote:

>
>Some different species have different textures.
>
>Which ones have you tried?

I really don't know. I've only accidentally tried whatever was in a
meal.


--
Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

Meghan Noecker wrote:
> A lot of you have mentioned gardening, so I figured I might as well
> ask.
>
> Do any of you garden in horrible conditions - very little light, too
> much rain?
>
> When we first moved here, my mom tried to garden. Only one spot had
> decent light, so she tried potatoes. We got some great bite sized
> potatoes. We all laughed, and she gave up.
>
> When we spent a few years in Iowa, we had a 1/2 acre garden that was
> really nice. But now all we seem to grow is Moss. This is Western
> Washington, and our house is surrounded by tall trees. Not a lot of
> light. We can't even grow grass.
>
> My mom does grow tomatos in large pots, but she must pull them while
> they are green, or the raccoons will eat them.
>
> Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
> not much light?

The main problem with the soil here (PNW) is it is very acidic due to
the Douglas Fir needles that fall continuously. You will have to amend
your soil often to grow anything of substance. We are lucky in that we
have one spot in our yard that gets sun 6 hours a day - the rest is
shaded and landscaped mainly in native perrenials.
Good luck,
-L..

In article >,
"Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan" > wrote:

> ~patches~ > hitched up their panties and
> posted :
>
> >
> > I put in potatoes every year specifically for the baby potatoes. DH
> > loves them! Raccoons can be real garden pests! Squirrels will steal
> > the green tomatoes just as they get a bit of a blush.
>
> I don't have a veggie garden but the 'coons are a pain in my ass. I've got
> one sneaking into the garage at night eating Bart's food. The 'coon makes
> a huge mess with the water bowl.

Trap it and shoot it.
I quit tolerating 'coons years ago.
They ate my poultry.

> Squirrels are always a pain in the ass.
> I fooled them this year and put tulips in the front yard instead of the
> back yard.

You can stop squirrels from digging up your tulips by laying a layer of
2" chicken wire over the dirt bed and under the top mulch. The tulips
will grow up thru the wire.

> And the opossum that took up residence in the garage... Gawd,
> it was a little one but would hiss at me like a cat every morning when I
> got in my car. Yes, I can see all 3 of them being a menace to people
> growing their own food. I don't find the rabbits a problem but then with
> Bart prowling the yard day and night they probably raid the neighboring
> people's gardens.
>
> Michael <- walked outside one morning to find a decapitated rabbit smeared
> all over the top of his Jeep. Bart ripped it apart and ate it's head.

Good Bart! ;-)
Hunting for daddy...
He only ate the head and left the rest for you! <lol>
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan" > wrote:

> > Well, that certainly straightens up my thinking. Why was I thinking
> > 'house boat' who knows?
>
> I thought the same thing for some reason.
>
> Michael <- got thrown off of a horse jumping a way too high fence today and
> sore as hell.

A nice hot soaking bath in Epsom salts should help. :-)

I'm just glad you are okay! People have been permanently crippled
or killed when that happens........
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
(Meghan Noecker) wrote:

> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:16:56 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >Some different species have different textures.
> >
> >Which ones have you tried?
>
> I really don't know. I've only accidentally tried whatever was in a
> meal.
>
>
> --
> Meghan & the Zoo Crew
> Equine and Pet Photography
> http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

I understand. :-)
There are a lot of people that do not care for mushrooms...
It's just that there are so many different ones with different flavors
and textures. They are one of my favorite veggies.

Canned ones do not have the same texture as fresh too! Not at all.
I don't care all that much for canned ones as a result, and their
flavor is not as good either.

Try grilled portabello sometime if you get the chance and are feeling
brave? ;-d
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 04:01:57 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> wrote:


>I quit tolerating 'coons years ago.
>They ate my poultry.

When we lived in Iowa and had chickens, we did two things to protect
them after two were killed. We took dog poop and relocated it to lots
of places around the chicken coop. Let them think a dog is on duty.
And we played a radio, just low volume, but to keep people sounds. I
don't which actually worked, but we never had an attack after that.


--
Meghan & the Zoo Crew
Equine and Pet Photography
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

"Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" > wrote

> "Doug Kanter" > hitched up their panties and
> posted news

>> There are so many varieties of spuds that most vendors don't sell. I'd
>> be surprised if she couldn't find one that did better in shade. And,
>> what's so wrong with mini-potatoes? The grocery stores charge more for
>> them.
>
> Yep. And I will never be able to figure it out. Anything in the "baby"
> veggie category is more expensive here.

Come on, you don't think you're worth more cause you're so
damn cute? Costs money, baby. Same with baby vegetables.

nancy

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article .com>,
> "Sheldon" > wrote:
>
> > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > > "Sheldon" wrote:
> > > > Meghan Noecker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Are there any veggies than would grow well in large pots or bins but
> > > > > not much light?
> > > >
> > > > There are plenty of perennials that do well in low light but there are
> > > > no vegetables/fruits (as in *none*) that will thrive in shade.
> > >
> > > Wrong.
> > >
> > > I consider mushrooms to be a veggie...... ;-)
> >
> > You consider your plastic dildo sex too...... ;-)
>
> At least I "get mine" that way. <G>
> No guarantee the "other" way!
>
> Guys can be selfish. <sigh>
>
> >
> > Mushroom is a fungus. It's actually closer to meat than vegetable but
> > fungus is neither... do you really consider your vaginal yeast the same
> > as spinach? hehe
>
> That's just nasty Shel'. :-P

Nah, yours is mildew... or is it rust! hehe

> Only if you consider bread, wine and beer as related to vaginal cheese...
>
> Hey, YOU went there first! <smirk>
>
> > Sheldon Smut
>
> Om Smuttier......

Hey, I'm lichen you!

Sheldon

"Meghan Noecker" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 04:01:57 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I quit tolerating 'coons years ago.
>>They ate my poultry.
>
> When we lived in Iowa and had chickens, we did two things to protect
> them after two were killed. We took dog poop and relocated it to lots
> of places around the chicken coop. Let them think a dog is on duty.
> And we played a radio, just low volume, but to keep people sounds. I
> don't which actually worked, but we never had an attack after that.
>
>
> --
> Meghan & the Zoo Crew

>>We took dog poop and relocated it to lots
of places around the chicken coop. Let them think a dog is on duty.>>

Duty? (correct spelling?) LOL.
Dee Dee