This is mostly directed at diabetics and those who do low-carb diets
because of their health, rather than just wishing to lose weight.

I have a condition that I've had since I was a teenager, and it has
many complicated side effects on my health. Anyway, recently a doctor
told me that it may be related to insulin resistance, though I am not
diabetic, and said that in cases like mine metformin/glucophage has
worked in restoring normalcy to women with my condition. However, it is
contra-indicated for pregnant and nursing women, so it's not a
possibility for quite some time. It also has some side effects that can
be pretty serious, and using a high protein diet in conjunction with
(this was the best option, then it was diet alone, then medicine alone)
the medication was indicated to be the best way to combat the problem,
and even showed promise for allowing the patient to wean from the
medication and offset some of the side effects of the drug.

I was interested in changing some of my diet stuff now, rather than
waiting until I could get on the medicine, if that even turns out to be
what I should do. However, I am not really interested in it for the
weight loss, though that is nice. Is it really feasible to jump to a
later stage in, say, the South Beach diet, or even the maintenance diet,
or would that negate the health benefits? I'll be talking to my doctor
about it, but I was interested in some input from people who actually
live with the diet.

Thank you!

Regards,
Ranee

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In article >,
Ranee Mueller > wrote:

> I was interested in changing some of my diet stuff now, rather than
> waiting until I could get on the medicine, if that even turns out to be
> what I should do. However, I am not really interested in it for the
> weight loss, though that is nice. Is it really feasible to jump to a
> later stage in, say, the South Beach diet, or even the maintenance diet,
> or would that negate the health benefits? I'll be talking to my doctor
> about it, but I was interested in some input from people who actually
> live with the diet.

Ranee, you should consult with a dietician who has experience dealing
with whatever your condition is. Your family doctor or perhaps a nearby
hospital can referred you to a qualified dietician. If I were you, I
would not take advice from strangers on RFC, even that I am sure it will
be offered with the best of intentions. No one can advise you without
knowing a lot more about your condition than you have disclosed.

On Thu 02 Mar 2006 05:58:12p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Stan
Horwitz?

> In article >,
> Ranee Mueller > wrote:
>
>> I was interested in changing some of my diet stuff now, rather than
>> waiting until I could get on the medicine, if that even turns out to be
>> what I should do. However, I am not really interested in it for the
>> weight loss, though that is nice. Is it really feasible to jump to a
>> later stage in, say, the South Beach diet, or even the maintenance diet,
>> or would that negate the health benefits? I'll be talking to my doctor
>> about it, but I was interested in some input from people who actually
>> live with the diet.
>
> Ranee, you should consult with a dietician who has experience dealing
> with whatever your condition is. Your family doctor or perhaps a nearby
> hospital can referred you to a qualified dietician. If I were you, I
> would not take advice from strangers on RFC, even that I am sure it will
> be offered with the best of intentions. No one can advise you without
> knowing a lot more about your condition than you have disclosed.

I don't disagree with what Stan says, however, many people do not eat a
balanced diet as a matter of course, and they are not following any
specific diet. It's just their habit.

I see no particular reason why you couldn't raise your protein intake and
somewhat lower your carb intake, while still maintaining a "non weight
loss" caloric intake, with relative safety.

I am a diagnosed Type 2 diabetic taking prescribed doses of glyburide and
glucophage, who has also been on Weight Watchers since the beginning of
January. Having lost nearly 30 pounds to date, my doctor has taken me off
the glucophage altogether, and expects to eliminate the glyburide in the
future.

I know you indicated that you were not interested in losing weight, but I
don't know if you are at your ideal weight. Even a small weight loss can
alter one's insulin resistance. You might find that a lower carb diet will
have an effect on you, even without significant weight loss.

--
Wayne Boatwright o¿o
____________________

BIOYA

In article 9>,
Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I know you indicated that you were not interested in losing weight, but I
> don't know if you are at your ideal weight. Even a small weight loss can
> alter one's insulin resistance. You might find that a lower carb diet will
> have an effect on you, even without significant weight loss.

I could stand to lose more than a few pounds, close to 20, but I
wasn't aiming at the drastic weight loss, which was why I didn't want to
do any extreme dieting. Also, being pregnant, I can't afford to mess
with the balance of food I eat _too_ much, since it isn't just about me.

However, it sounds like increasing whole grains as my carbohydrate
sources, and using some of the second and third stage guidelines of the
low carb diets may help me in doing that. My midwife has recomended
just trying to stay away from refined products, and white starch like
potatoes, as much as possible. So, still eat honey, but cut down on
white sugar, make our bread from whole wheat flour rather than a mix or
using all white, make brown rice instead of white rice, etc. That is
where I am starting. I liked Kimberly's suggestion of how to divide the
plate, too, it seemed a reasonable and not too difficult change to make.
I haven't liked how dependent on special recipes and packaged products
many of the high protein diets seem to be, because I make almost all of
our food from scratch. A little more knowledge about what is actually
in the ingredients would help me more.

Regards,
Ranee

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In article >,
Ranee Mueller > wrote:

> I could stand to lose more than a few pounds, close to 20, but I
> wasn't aiming at the drastic weight loss, which was why I didn't want to
> do any extreme dieting. Also, being pregnant, I can't afford to mess
> with the balance of food I eat _too_ much, since it isn't just about me.

You also do not need to lose weight during pregnancy... My sister was so
sick during her first pregnancy, she lost 40 lbs.

Her firstborn now has a speech/learning disorder. :-(
Nearly 4 years old and still not talking, and has no attention span.

Can't help but think that had to have contributed.

That is why I recommended you NOT try Atkins!!!

Wait until after the kid is born, but you need to do some nutritional
research into the whole glycemic index thing. High blood sugar spikes
during pregnancy are not good for you or your baby either.

Get a glucose meter and use it. That's your best bet.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:

> You also do not need to lose weight during pregnancy... My sister was so
> sick during her first pregnancy, she lost 40 lbs.

With the boys, I lost about 15-20 pounds right off the bat, from
being sick. My net gain ended up being between 7-10 pounds at the end.
With Amira, I lost 20 pounds in the first week, and I wasn't siclk at
all, it was related to this hormonal stuff that I deal with, and I
didn't gain any weight the rest of the time, my belly got bigger and the
rest of me got smaller at about the same rate. So, no, I'm not _trying_
to lose weight at this point. I'm already losing weight. I've lost
about 25 pounds in the first trimester.

Regards,
Ranee

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On Fri 03 Mar 2006 10:44:54a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Ranee
Mueller?

> In article 9>,
> Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know you indicated that you were not interested in losing weight, but
>> I don't know if you are at your ideal weight. Even a small weight loss
>> can alter one's insulin resistance. You might find that a lower carb
>> diet will have an effect on you, even without significant weight loss.
>
> I could stand to lose more than a few pounds, close to 20, but I
> wasn't aiming at the drastic weight loss, which was why I didn't want to
> do any extreme dieting. Also, being pregnant, I can't afford to mess
> with the balance of food I eat _too_ much, since it isn't just about me.
>
> However, it sounds like increasing whole grains as my carbohydrate
> sources, and using some of the second and third stage guidelines of the
> low carb diets may help me in doing that. My midwife has recomended
> just trying to stay away from refined products, and white starch like
> potatoes, as much as possible. So, still eat honey, but cut down on
> white sugar, make our bread from whole wheat flour rather than a mix or
> using all white, make brown rice instead of white rice, etc. That is
> where I am starting. I liked Kimberly's suggestion of how to divide the
> plate, too, it seemed a reasonable and not too difficult change to make.
> I haven't liked how dependent on special recipes and packaged products
> many of the high protein diets seem to be, because I make almost all of
> our food from scratch. A little more knowledge about what is actually
> in the ingredients would help me more.

It sounds as though you have a good handle on it, Ranee. Naturally, you
don't want to go too far afield during pregnancy. I do know that pregnant
women can follow Weight Watchers, however their intake is different and the
goal is to avoid gaining an excess of weight, rather than reducing.

Best of luck, and keep us posted on your progress. Managing body chemistry
is an art.

--
Wayne Boatwright Õ¿Õ¬
________________________________________

Okay, okay, I take it back! UnScrew you!

"Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message
...
>
> I have a condition that I've had since I was a teenager, and it
has
> many complicated side effects on my health. Anyway, recently a
doctor
> told me that it may be related to insulin resistance, >
[snipped]
> Thank you!
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
THE authority on low carbohydrate diets is the late Robert Atkins,
M.D. His _early_ books are the definitive source of his thousands of
clinical trials. (Perhaps you can still locate them at a source like
Amazon.com.) I shall not make any attempt here to go into the details
of this regimen, as Dr. Atkins has spelled it all out in his books

The LAST person to have been trained in anything of this sort is a
Registered Dietician, then comes your physician. they still believe
there is nutritional value in pasta (not as much as in Wonder Bread),
but a wonderful fun/fake food nevertheless. I am personally
acquainted with several R.D.'s whom I am very fond of, but their
dietary ignorance (from the University programs they were trained
with - financed by the food industry) is jaw-droppingly abysmal.

My personal dietary experience is based upon my hypersensitivity to
any commercially produced foods that trigger a rush of insulin that
put me to sleep for 30 minutes. Maintaining my weight, not reducing
it, has always been my goal.

Only with, and because of ,a lower (read: controlled) carbohydrate
diet was I finally able to keep my head & body balanced. This was an
enormous victory and a protocol that I have followed easily &
successfully for 20 years. ***It is simplicity itself: learn how to
count grams of carbohydrates (charts abound) and keep records
initially on how you feel after a day of 'x' number of grams of
carbohydrate. One hundred grams per day is the usual middle ground,
and you can go up or down from there. Keep tweeking your intake until
you feel/know you are well-balanced.*** There is nothing radical in
this approach and nothing dangerous to you and/or a fetus/nursing
child. The only extremes of a low carbohydrate diet are experienced
by those who wish to lose substantial amounts of weight - not your
goal.

No comment on any medication, as that is not my field. However, since
your physician's first resort was to medication instead of regulating
your carbohydrate intake, that should tell you all you need to know
about his training in all matters dietary. Caveat emptor.

If your condition is insulin-related, there is everything to gain and
nothing to lose by giving this protocol a genuine test.

Best of the best to you,

--
Mabry
C=;-{ }

Mabry wrote:

>
> The LAST person to have been trained in anything of this sort is a
> Registered Dietician, then comes your physician. they still believe
> there is nutritional value in pasta (not as much as in Wonder Bread),
> but a wonderful fun/fake food nevertheless.

Damn.. how do the Italians manage to survive?
Yes, I know what their serving size is and how it works into the entire
meal but it is still an important part of the diet.
Is it only Americans who find carbs dangerous?
Goomba

"Mabry" > wrote in message
news:4PNNf.3026$p43.2517@fed1read05...
>
> "Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I have a condition that I've had since I was a teenager, and it
> has
>> many complicated side effects on my health. Anyway, recently a
> doctor
>> told me that it may be related to insulin resistance, >
> [snipped]
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ranee
>>
> THE authority on low carbohydrate diets is the late Robert Atkins,
> M.D. His _early_ books are the definitive source of his thousands of
> clinical trials. (Perhaps you can still locate them at a source like
> Amazon.com.) I shall not make any attempt here to go into the details
> of this regimen, as Dr. Atkins has spelled it all out in his books
>
> The LAST person to have been trained in anything of this sort is a
> Registered Dietician, then comes your physician. they still believe
> there is nutritional value in pasta (not as much as in Wonder Bread),
> but a wonderful fun/fake food nevertheless. I am personally
> acquainted with several R.D.'s whom I am very fond of, but their
> dietary ignorance (from the University programs they were trained
> with - financed by the food industry) is jaw-droppingly abysmal.
>
> My personal dietary experience is based upon my hypersensitivity to
> any commercially produced foods that trigger a rush of insulin that
> put me to sleep for 30 minutes. Maintaining my weight, not reducing
> it, has always been my goal.
>
> Only with, and because of ,a lower (read: controlled) carbohydrate
> diet was I finally able to keep my head & body balanced. This was an
> enormous victory and a protocol that I have followed easily &
> successfully for 20 years. ***It is simplicity itself: learn how to
> count grams of carbohydrates (charts abound) and keep records
> initially on how you feel after a day of 'x' number of grams of
> carbohydrate. One hundred grams per day is the usual middle ground,
> and you can go up or down from there. Keep tweeking your intake until
> you feel/know you are well-balanced.*** There is nothing radical in
> this approach and nothing dangerous to you and/or a fetus/nursing
> child. The only extremes of a low carbohydrate diet are experienced
> by those who wish to lose substantial amounts of weight - not your
> goal.
>
> No comment on any medication, as that is not my field. However, since
> your physician's first resort was to medication instead of regulating
> your carbohydrate intake, that should tell you all you need to know
> about his training in all matters dietary. Caveat emptor.
>
> If your condition is insulin-related, there is everything to gain and
> nothing to lose by giving this protocol a genuine test.
>
> Best of the best to you,
>
> --
> Mabry

No offense to you, but Atkins was a quack.

In article <4PNNf.3026$p43.2517@fed1read05>, "Mabry" >
wrote:

> THE authority on low carbohydrate diets is the late Robert Atkins,
> M.D. His _early_ books are the definitive source of his thousands of
> clinical trials. (Perhaps you can still locate them at a source like
> Amazon.com.) I shall not make any attempt here to go into the details
> of this regimen, as Dr. Atkins has spelled it all out in his books

In my reading of Atkins, it seems to be a more extreme diet and
heavily reliant on vitamin pills. That isn't really something I'd like,
especially as a pregnant woman, and it doesn't seem like something I
could live with on a long term basis.

> No comment on any medication, as that is not my field. However, since
> your physician's first resort was to medication instead of regulating
> your carbohydrate intake, that should tell you all you need to know
> about his training in all matters dietary. Caveat emptor.

Not to be argumentative, but diet is not always the best solution for
a medical problem. There is no amount of diet change that would have
helped my son's tumor, he needed surgery and drugs and the follow up
that comes with it. And no, it wasn't cancer. Although my health
issues relate to insulin resistance, they are hormone driven and have
their source in my pituitary gland, among other areas. The improvement
in women with my situation using metformin was actually found on
accident by treating diabetics with it, who also happened to have the
same condition, and then found that the other problems they had were
lessened or solved. The tests done on women who weren't diabetic, but
had this condition were positive with the medicine alone, but better
with diet alone, however, using both in conjunction was better than
either alone.

I have no reason to distrust this doctor, and he gave me some
information we didn't even have, which would have been a huge help to me
18 years ago. Since he isn't a dietician, I don't expect him to give me
a dietician's answer, but he didn't forbid me or recommend against diet
change, only said that the drug could help.

Regards,
Ranee

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On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:06:03 -0800, Ranee Mueller
> wrote:

> This is mostly directed at diabetics and those who do low-carb diets
>because of their health, rather than just wishing to lose weight.
>
> I have a condition that I've had since I was a teenager, and it has
>many complicated side effects on my health. Anyway, recently a doctor
>told me that it may be related to insulin resistance, though I am not
>diabetic, and said that in cases like mine metformin/glucophage has
>worked in restoring normalcy to women with my condition. However, it is
>contra-indicated for pregnant and nursing women, so it's not a
>possibility for quite some time. It also has some side effects that can
>be pretty serious, and using a high protein diet in conjunction with
>(this was the best option, then it was diet alone, then medicine alone)
>the medication was indicated to be the best way to combat the problem,
>and even showed promise for allowing the patient to wean from the
>medication and offset some of the side effects of the drug.
>
> I was interested in changing some of my diet stuff now, rather than
>waiting until I could get on the medicine, if that even turns out to be
>what I should do. However, I am not really interested in it for the
>weight loss, though that is nice. Is it really feasible to jump to a
>later stage in, say, the South Beach diet, or even the maintenance diet,
>or would that negate the health benefits? I'll be talking to my doctor
>about it, but I was interested in some input from people who actually
>live with the diet.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
Ranee, we've done SB for almost two years, with occasional vacations
from the regimen. I think the original idea was to go through the
first stage of the diet because it somehow alters the body's metabolic
"habits" with respect to metabolizing carbs. I'm not sure at all
about this, though. D read the books. I just read through the
acceptable and unacceptable food lists and went from there. If you'd
like, I'm certain D wouldn't mind an email query from you on the
topic.

Yup. I just checked with D and though she doesn't feel that she's
really qualified to answer your question about a jump to the third
phase of SB, she said that she'd be happy to talk to you about it.
I'm modom and she's dodom. We're both at koyote, and koyote's a dot
com.
--
modom

"My baby's got no clothes
'Cause she's makin' chicken soup."

-- Chuck E. Weiss

In article >,
modom > wrote:

> Yup. I just checked with D and though she doesn't feel that she's
> really qualified to answer your question about a jump to the third
> phase of SB, she said that she'd be happy to talk to you about it.
> I'm modom and she's dodom. We're both at koyote, and koyote's a dot
> com.

Thank you! I'll write her. I'm not looking for medical advice, but
just some thoughts from people who live with this kind of diet.

Regards,
Ranee

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In article >,
Ranee Mueller > wrote:

> This is mostly directed at diabetics and those who do low-carb diets
> because of their health, rather than just wishing to lose weight.
>
> I have a condition that I've had since I was a teenager, and it has
> many complicated side effects on my health. Anyway, recently a doctor
> told me that it may be related to insulin resistance, though I am not
> diabetic, and said that in cases like mine metformin/glucophage has
> worked in restoring normalcy to women with my condition. However, it is
> contra-indicated for pregnant and nursing women, so it's not a
> possibility for quite some time. It also has some side effects that can
> be pretty serious, and using a high protein diet in conjunction with
> (this was the best option, then it was diet alone, then medicine alone)
> the medication was indicated to be the best way to combat the problem,
> and even showed promise for allowing the patient to wean from the
> medication and offset some of the side effects of the drug.
>
> I was interested in changing some of my diet stuff now, rather than
> waiting until I could get on the medicine, if that even turns out to be
> what I should do. However, I am not really interested in it for the
> weight loss, though that is nice. Is it really feasible to jump to a
> later stage in, say, the South Beach diet, or even the maintenance diet,
> or would that negate the health benefits? I'll be talking to my doctor
> about it, but I was interested in some input from people who actually
> live with the diet.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>

If you stay between, say, 70 and 100 grams of carbs per day and just get
most of your carbs from green veggies, you should be ok.

I take it you are pregnant? In that case, you don't want to go low
enough on carbs to be in ketosis.

I have to go below 40 grams per day and avoid all starches and sugars to
go into Ketosis.....

I am on Metformin. The side effects are not fun for the first month or
so, but they subside if you can handle it. My doctor had me go to a
higher dose over a 4 week period so it did not make me as sick. 500 mg.
for one week, then 1,000 mg. for one week, then 1,500 mg for one week,
then the final dose of 2,000 mg per day. 1,000 mg. twice per day.

Good luck!

Insulin resistance sucks.......
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:

> If you stay between, say, 70 and 100 grams of carbs per day and just get
> most of your carbs from green veggies, you should be ok.
>
> I take it you are pregnant? In that case, you don't want to go low
> enough on carbs to be in ketosis.

Thank you, that's the kind of information I was looking for. I
probably won't reduce even down to the 70 grams, but changing the ways I
eat and proportions might help.

Regards,
Ranee

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In article >,
Ranee Mueller > wrote:

> In article >,
> OmManiPadmeOmelet > wrote:
>
> > If you stay between, say, 70 and 100 grams of carbs per day and just get
> > most of your carbs from green veggies, you should be ok.
> >
> > I take it you are pregnant? In that case, you don't want to go low
> > enough on carbs to be in ketosis.
>
> Thank you, that's the kind of information I was looking for. I
> probably won't reduce even down to the 70 grams, but changing the ways I
> eat and proportions might help.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee

I mentioned getting a glucose meter in my last post... It will tell you
more than anything else what foods you best tolerate! It's not just
carbs, but the _type_ of carbs you need to learn about.

What will hurt you and what won't.

Best of luck!
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message
...
> This is mostly directed at diabetics and those who do low-carb diets
> because of their health, rather than just wishing to lose weight.
>
> I have a condition that I've had since I was a teenager, and it has
> many complicated side effects on my health. Anyway, recently a doctor
> told me that it may be related to insulin resistance, though I am not
> diabetic, and said that in cases like mine metformin/glucophage has
> worked in restoring normalcy to women with my condition. However, it is
> contra-indicated for pregnant and nursing women, so it's not a
> possibility for quite some time. It also has some side effects that can
> be pretty serious, and using a high protein diet in conjunction with
> (this was the best option, then it was diet alone, then medicine alone)
> the medication was indicated to be the best way to combat the problem,
> and even showed promise for allowing the patient to wean from the
> medication and offset some of the side effects of the drug.
>
> I was interested in changing some of my diet stuff now, rather than
> waiting until I could get on the medicine, if that even turns out to be
> what I should do. However, I am not really interested in it for the
> weight loss, though that is nice. Is it really feasible to jump to a
> later stage in, say, the South Beach diet, or even the maintenance diet,
> or would that negate the health benefits? I'll be talking to my doctor
> about it, but I was interested in some input from people who actually
> live with the diet.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>

Ranee,

First, sorry to hear about a chronic health issue...those are a pain in the
neck, yes?
There's no reason you couldn't jump into the maintenance portion of those
diets if you chose, or you could do what I do and use the system of 3's.
Look at your plate. Imagine a line, dividing it in half. Divide one of the
halves in half. You now have 3 sections. The largest section is
veggies/salad. The two small are for a protein and a carb. Of course, some
carbs are better than others, but you don't have to *always* choose the
whole grain over the biscuit. I find the less "rules" there are, the better
I am, and the better I eat. I've been doing this for a while now and feel
better than I have in ages.
I have insulin resistance, type II diabetes, and a separate metabolic
disorder. I take metformin (glucophage) twice a day, along with glyburide
and another medication for the metabolic syndrome. (And Prilosec, but that's
nothing.) The main side effect I've experienced has been occasional stomach
upset and nausea. Every once in a while I get a metallic taste but it
usually doesn't last very long. The worst side effect would be low blood
sugar, hypoglycemia. It can come on quickly, and sometimes the signs aren't
that noticeable when there's other things going on. For the most part
though, it's been a pretty easy regimen, especially compared to insulin
shots.
Hope this helps.

kimberly

>
> Ranee,
>
> First, sorry to hear about a chronic health issue...those are a pain in the
> neck, yes?
> There's no reason you couldn't jump into the maintenance portion of those
> diets if you chose, or you could do what I do and use the system of 3's.
> Look at your plate. Imagine a line, dividing it in half. Divide one of the
> halves in half. You now have 3 sections. The largest section is
> veggies/salad. The two small are for a protein and a carb. Of course, some
> carbs are better than others, but you don't have to *always* choose the
> whole grain over the biscuit. I find the less "rules" there are, the better
> I am, and the better I eat. I've been doing this for a while now and feel
> better than I have in ages.
> I have insulin resistance, type II diabetes, and a separate metabolic
> disorder. I take metformin (glucophage) twice a day, along with glyburide
> and another medication for the metabolic syndrome. (And Prilosec, but that's
> nothing.) The main side effect I've experienced has been occasional stomach
> upset and nausea.

Has the stomach upset and nausea been an ongoing thing or was it
just until your body got used the the medication. I'm om metformin and
glyburide and have occasional bouts of mild to severe nausea and I have
to take gravol. I've been on metformin for about four years, but the
nausea didn't start until about a year later.....Sharon

In article >, biig > wrote:

> >
> > Ranee,
> >
> > First, sorry to hear about a chronic health issue...those are a pain in the
> > neck, yes?
> > There's no reason you couldn't jump into the maintenance portion of those
> > diets if you chose, or you could do what I do and use the system of 3's.
> > Look at your plate. Imagine a line, dividing it in half. Divide one of the
> > halves in half. You now have 3 sections. The largest section is
> > veggies/salad. The two small are for a protein and a carb. Of course, some
> > carbs are better than others, but you don't have to *always* choose the
> > whole grain over the biscuit. I find the less "rules" there are, the better
> > I am, and the better I eat. I've been doing this for a while now and feel
> > better than I have in ages.
> > I have insulin resistance, type II diabetes, and a separate metabolic
> > disorder. I take metformin (glucophage) twice a day, along with glyburide
> > and another medication for the metabolic syndrome. (And Prilosec, but that's
> > nothing.) The main side effect I've experienced has been occasional stomach
> > upset and nausea.
>
> Has the stomach upset and nausea been an ongoing thing or was it
> just until your body got used the the medication. I'm om metformin and
> glyburide and have occasional bouts of mild to severe nausea and I have
> to take gravol. I've been on metformin for about four years, but the
> nausea didn't start until about a year later.....Sharon

The nausea and, ah, "other" side effect started the first week and
lasted about 5 weeks, then pretty much went away.

I will say one thing tho', as long as I continue taking Metformin, I'm
never constipated. ;-)

I imagine that it can come and go, but I've not had much trouble with it
since the initial 6 weeks.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"biig" > wrote in message ...
>
>>
>> Ranee,
>>
>> First, sorry to hear about a chronic health issue...those are a pain in
>> the
>> neck, yes?
>> There's no reason you couldn't jump into the maintenance portion of those
>> diets if you chose, or you could do what I do and use the system of 3's.
>> Look at your plate. Imagine a line, dividing it in half. Divide one of
>> the
>> halves in half. You now have 3 sections. The largest section is
>> veggies/salad. The two small are for a protein and a carb. Of course,
>> some
>> carbs are better than others, but you don't have to *always* choose the
>> whole grain over the biscuit. I find the less "rules" there are, the
>> better
>> I am, and the better I eat. I've been doing this for a while now and feel
>> better than I have in ages.
>> I have insulin resistance, type II diabetes, and a separate metabolic
>> disorder. I take metformin (glucophage) twice a day, along with glyburide
>> and another medication for the metabolic syndrome. (And Prilosec, but
>> that's
>> nothing.) The main side effect I've experienced has been occasional
>> stomach
>> upset and nausea.
>
> Has the stomach upset and nausea been an ongoing thing or was it
> just until your body got used the the medication. I'm om metformin and
> glyburide and have occasional bouts of mild to severe nausea and I have
> to take gravol. I've been on metformin for about four years, but the
> nausea didn't start until about a year later.....Sharon

I've been on metformin since I was diagnosed (with a 6 month break somewhere
in there) about 5 years ago or so. It still makes me nauseous on occasion,
and depending on the circumstances that day, sometimes extremely so. I find
it's kind of like when I was pregnant (though, thankfully, to a far lesser
extreme)...if I don't let my stomach get completely empty, I do alot better.
So what I end up doing is having breakfast, lunch and dinner, but the
portions are smaller so that I can eat something in between as well. I try
to never go more than 4 hours without eating *something*...a piece of fruit,
some carrots and cukes, crackers with cheese. It helps more than one might
think!

kimberly

Nexis wrote:
>
> "biig" > wrote in message ...
> >
> >>
> >> Ranee,
> >>
> >> First, sorry to hear about a chronic health issue...those are a pain in
> >> the
> >> neck, yes?
> >> There's no reason you couldn't jump into the maintenance portion of those
> >> diets if you chose, or you could do what I do and use the system of 3's.
> >> Look at your plate. Imagine a line, dividing it in half. Divide one of
> >> the
> >> halves in half. You now have 3 sections. The largest section is
> >> veggies/salad. The two small are for a protein and a carb. Of course,
> >> some
> >> carbs are better than others, but you don't have to *always* choose the
> >> whole grain over the biscuit. I find the less "rules" there are, the
> >> better
> >> I am, and the better I eat. I've been doing this for a while now and feel
> >> better than I have in ages.
> >> I have insulin resistance, type II diabetes, and a separate metabolic
> >> disorder. I take metformin (glucophage) twice a day, along with glyburide
> >> and another medication for the metabolic syndrome. (And Prilosec, but
> >> that's
> >> nothing.) The main side effect I've experienced has been occasional
> >> stomach
> >> upset and nausea.
> >
> > Has the stomach upset and nausea been an ongoing thing or was it
> > just until your body got used the the medication. I'm om metformin and
> > glyburide and have occasional bouts of mild to severe nausea and I have
> > to take gravol. I've been on metformin for about four years, but the
> > nausea didn't start until about a year later.....Sharon
>
> I've been on metformin since I was diagnosed (with a 6 month break somewhere
> in there) about 5 years ago or so. It still makes me nauseous on occasion,
> and depending on the circumstances that day, sometimes extremely so. I find
> it's kind of like when I was pregnant (though, thankfully, to a far lesser
> extreme)...if I don't let my stomach get completely empty, I do alot better.
> So what I end up doing is having breakfast, lunch and dinner, but the
> portions are smaller so that I can eat something in between as well. I try
> to never go more than 4 hours without eating *something*...a piece of fruit,
> some carrots and cukes, crackers with cheese. It helps more than one might
> think!
>
> kimberly

That sounds like it might help me. Most of my nausea hits around
supper time and I don't snack in the afternoon. Lunch is at noon and
supper about 6. I have a 9 pm snack and breakfast at 7:30, so that
might account for the odd time I have a bit of nausea before breakfast.
I'll pay attention to my episodes and see if it helps...thanks for the
hints. ......Sharon

"biig" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> Nexis wrote:
>>
>> "biig" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Ranee,
>> >>
>> >> First, sorry to hear about a chronic health issue...those are a pain
>> >> in
>> >> the
>> >> neck, yes?
>> >> There's no reason you couldn't jump into the maintenance portion of
>> >> those
>> >> diets if you chose, or you could do what I do and use the system of
>> >> 3's.
>> >> Look at your plate. Imagine a line, dividing it in half. Divide one of
>> >> the
>> >> halves in half. You now have 3 sections. The largest section is
>> >> veggies/salad. The two small are for a protein and a carb. Of course,
>> >> some
>> >> carbs are better than others, but you don't have to *always* choose
>> >> the
>> >> whole grain over the biscuit. I find the less "rules" there are, the
>> >> better
>> >> I am, and the better I eat. I've been doing this for a while now and
>> >> feel
>> >> better than I have in ages.
>> >> I have insulin resistance, type II diabetes, and a separate metabolic
>> >> disorder. I take metformin (glucophage) twice a day, along with
>> >> glyburide
>> >> and another medication for the metabolic syndrome. (And Prilosec, but
>> >> that's
>> >> nothing.) The main side effect I've experienced has been occasional
>> >> stomach
>> >> upset and nausea.
>> >
>> > Has the stomach upset and nausea been an ongoing thing or was it
>> > just until your body got used the the medication. I'm om metformin and
>> > glyburide and have occasional bouts of mild to severe nausea and I have
>> > to take gravol. I've been on metformin for about four years, but the
>> > nausea didn't start until about a year later.....Sharon
>>
>> I've been on metformin since I was diagnosed (with a 6 month break
>> somewhere
>> in there) about 5 years ago or so. It still makes me nauseous on
>> occasion,
>> and depending on the circumstances that day, sometimes extremely so. I
>> find
>> it's kind of like when I was pregnant (though, thankfully, to a far
>> lesser
>> extreme)...if I don't let my stomach get completely empty, I do alot
>> better.
>> So what I end up doing is having breakfast, lunch and dinner, but the
>> portions are smaller so that I can eat something in between as well. I
>> try
>> to never go more than 4 hours without eating *something*...a piece of
>> fruit,
>> some carrots and cukes, crackers with cheese. It helps more than one
>> might
>> think!
>>
>> kimberly
>
> That sounds like it might help me. Most of my nausea hits around
> supper time and I don't snack in the afternoon. Lunch is at noon and
> supper about 6. I have a 9 pm snack and breakfast at 7:30, so that
> might account for the odd time I have a bit of nausea before breakfast.
> I'll pay attention to my episodes and see if it helps...thanks for the
> hints. ......Sharon

You're absolutely welcome. 6 hours is definitely too long to go without
eating with this stuff.
Even is you just have something to nibble on.
When it was worse, in the first 6 months or so, I carried snacks with me
every place I went!

kimberly

In article <PSPNf.1988$Uc2.943@fed1read04>, "Nexis" >
wrote:

> Look at your plate. Imagine a line, dividing it in half. Divide one of the
> halves in half. You now have 3 sections. The largest section is
> veggies/salad. The two small are for a protein and a carb. Of course, some
> carbs are better than others, but you don't have to *always* choose the
> whole grain over the biscuit. I find the less "rules" there are, the better
> I am, and the better I eat. I've been doing this for a while now and feel
> better than I have in ages.

Thank you for this advice, it is extremely helpful. I am someone who
would go nuts trying to follow the rules and count calories or grams, so
this is a simple way for me to evaluate what I'm eating.

> I have insulin resistance, type II diabetes, and a separate metabolic
> disorder. I take metformin (glucophage) twice a day, along with glyburide
> and another medication for the metabolic syndrome. (And Prilosec, but that's
> nothing.) The main side effect I've experienced has been occasional stomach
> upset and nausea. Every once in a while I get a metallic taste but it
> usually doesn't last very long. The worst side effect would be low blood
> sugar, hypoglycemia. It can come on quickly, and sometimes the signs aren't
> that noticeable when there's other things going on. For the most part
> though, it's been a pretty easy regimen, especially compared to insulin
> shots.

I was concerned with the long term B 12 absorption issues, because it
seemed to continue even after discontinuing the drug. That is part of
why I'd like to start diet changes now, and if I do end up on the drug,
do what I can to be on it for as little a time as possible.

> Hope this helps.

It does.

Regards,
Ranee

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In article >,
Ranee Mueller > wrote:

> In article <PSPNf.1988$Uc2.943@fed1read04>, "Nexis" >
> wrote:
>
> > Look at your plate. Imagine a line, dividing it in half. Divide one of the
> > halves in half. You now have 3 sections. The largest section is
> > veggies/salad. The two small are for a protein and a carb. Of course, some
> > carbs are better than others, but you don't have to *always* choose the
> > whole grain over the biscuit. I find the less "rules" there are, the better
> > I am, and the better I eat. I've been doing this for a while now and feel
> > better than I have in ages.
>
> Thank you for this advice, it is extremely helpful. I am someone who
> would go nuts trying to follow the rules and count calories or grams, so
> this is a simple way for me to evaluate what I'm eating.
>
> > I have insulin resistance, type II diabetes, and a separate metabolic
> > disorder. I take metformin (glucophage) twice a day, along with glyburide
> > and another medication for the metabolic syndrome. (And Prilosec, but
> > that's
> > nothing.) The main side effect I've experienced has been occasional stomach
> > upset and nausea. Every once in a while I get a metallic taste but it
> > usually doesn't last very long. The worst side effect would be low blood
> > sugar, hypoglycemia. It can come on quickly, and sometimes the signs aren't
> > that noticeable when there's other things going on. For the most part
> > though, it's been a pretty easy regimen, especially compared to insulin
> > shots.
>
> I was concerned with the long term B 12 absorption issues, because it
> seemed to continue even after discontinuing the drug. That is part of
> why I'd like to start diet changes now, and if I do end up on the drug,
> do what I can to be on it for as little a time as possible.
>
> > Hope this helps.
>
> It does.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee

Twinlabs makes a sub-lingual B-12 that is nice. Cherry flavored.
You might want to google for that and see what you think.

B-vitamin deficiency during pregnancy is no joke.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message
...
> In article <PSPNf.1988$Uc2.943@fed1read04>, "Nexis" >
> wrote:
>
>> Look at your plate. Imagine a line, dividing it in half. Divide one of
>> the
>> halves in half. You now have 3 sections. The largest section is
>> veggies/salad. The two small are for a protein and a carb. Of course,
>> some
>> carbs are better than others, but you don't have to *always* choose the
>> whole grain over the biscuit. I find the less "rules" there are, the
>> better
>> I am, and the better I eat. I've been doing this for a while now and feel
>> better than I have in ages.
>
> Thank you for this advice, it is extremely helpful. I am someone who
> would go nuts trying to follow the rules and count calories or grams, so
> this is a simple way for me to evaluate what I'm eating.
>
>> I have insulin resistance, type II diabetes, and a separate metabolic
>> disorder. I take metformin (glucophage) twice a day, along with glyburide
>> and another medication for the metabolic syndrome. (And Prilosec, but
>> that's
>> nothing.) The main side effect I've experienced has been occasional
>> stomach
>> upset and nausea. Every once in a while I get a metallic taste but it
>> usually doesn't last very long. The worst side effect would be low blood
>> sugar, hypoglycemia. It can come on quickly, and sometimes the signs
>> aren't
>> that noticeable when there's other things going on. For the most part
>> though, it's been a pretty easy regimen, especially compared to insulin
>> shots.
>
> I was concerned with the long term B 12 absorption issues, because it
> seemed to continue even after discontinuing the drug. That is part of
> why I'd like to start diet changes now, and if I do end up on the drug,
> do what I can to be on it for as little a time as possible.
>
>> Hope this helps.
>
> It does.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee

There are a couple other things I thought of that I wanted to mention. Not
all carbs are created equal, and what you eat with them will make a big
difference in how they affect your body and your blood sugars. For example,
a russet potato with send my blood glucose levels sky high. A yukon,
especially when eaten with a protein and other veggies, doesn't spike it at
all. Of course it rises some, but the rise is gradual and no where near as
high as say, eating a baked russet.
Whole grains are always better than highly processed, and eating them with a
small amount of good fat, and some protein makes a big difference too. As a
general rule, the more fiber there is in the carbs you do eat, the better it
will be for you, and the less the carbs will affect you.

Just some thoughts

kimberly

Ranee Mueller wrote:
> This is mostly directed at diabetics and those who do low-carb diets
> because of their health, rather than just wishing to lose weight.
>
> I have a condition that I've had since I was a teenager, and it has
> many complicated side effects on my health. Anyway, recently a doctor
> told me that it may be related to insulin resistance, though I am not
> diabetic, and said that in cases like mine metformin/glucophage has
> worked in restoring normalcy to women with my condition. However, it is
> contra-indicated for pregnant and nursing women, so it's not a
> possibility for quite some time. It also has some side effects that can
> be pretty serious, and using a high protein diet in conjunction with
> (this was the best option, then it was diet alone, then medicine alone)
> the medication was indicated to be the best way to combat the problem,
> and even showed promise for allowing the patient to wean from the
> medication and offset some of the side effects of the drug.
>
> I was interested in changing some of my diet stuff now, rather than
> waiting until I could get on the medicine, if that even turns out to be
> what I should do. However, I am not really interested in it for the
> weight loss, though that is nice. Is it really feasible to jump to a
> later stage in, say, the South Beach diet, or even the maintenance diet,
> or would that negate the health benefits? I'll be talking to my doctor
> about it, but I was interested in some input from people who actually
> live with the diet.

Low carb diets are not "high protein." Your body will tell you how
much protein it wants. Low on protein? That steak will look
beautiful. Running a protein surplus? Even if you love rare strip
steak as much as I do, it just won't seem appealing. There's a good
reason for that. Metabolizing protein for energy instead of
building/rebuilding tissues liberates amines that are toxic. In
humans, those end up excreted mostly as urea in urine. Anyway, protein
is a less than ideal source of calories. In low carb dieting you might
be likely to replace some of the carbs with calories from protein, but
the goal is to replace them with calories from good fats like those in
avocadoes and olives. Monounsaturated fats are good for you.

You can skip to the later stage, but it will likely be harder. The
"induction" regimes jump start the process of going ketogenic. They
get you past the freak out that your body experiences switching over
from burning primarily carbs, to primarily fats. I've had a rough year
(I won't go into it) and have fallen off the low carb wagon. The first
time I did the low carb thing, I went from ~195, down to 160 in six
months.

Stuff like potatoes are like addictive drugs. We may be tempted to put
a bit more butter on that potato than we should, but that isn't the
issue. Your body never screams out to you, "I desperately crave fat,"
unless you are doing some stupid ultra-low-fat diet, which, by the way,
is really stupid. Bodies do, however, insist on the carbs. I broke
the addiction for more than two years. I need to do it again, this
time permanently.

Good luck and be well.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
--Bryan

In article .com>,
"Food Snob" > wrote:

> Low carb diets are not "high protein." Your body will tell you how
> much protein it wants. Low on protein? That steak will look
> beautiful. Running a protein surplus? Even if you love rare strip
> steak as much as I do, it just won't seem appealing. There's a good
> reason for that.

My body actually doesn't tell me that. I don't think that the eat
all you want protein diets would work for me as I actually could sit
down and eat an entire rib roast, if I let myself. It's a matter of
finding balance for me. As for ketosis, I don't want to go into it, I
am pregnant.

Regards,
Ranee

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In article >,
Ranee Mueller > wrote:

> In article .com>,
> "Food Snob" > wrote:
>
> > Low carb diets are not "high protein." Your body will tell you how
> > much protein it wants. Low on protein? That steak will look
> > beautiful. Running a protein surplus? Even if you love rare strip
> > steak as much as I do, it just won't seem appealing. There's a good
> > reason for that.
>
> My body actually doesn't tell me that. I don't think that the eat
> all you want protein diets would work for me as I actually could sit
> down and eat an entire rib roast, if I let myself. It's a matter of
> finding balance for me. As for ketosis, I don't want to go into it, I
> am pregnant.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee

Ketostix... Check your urine every morning.

We see a LOT of ketosis in girls/women ready to deliver at work when we
are doing urinalysis on the ladies in the labor and delivery ward.

The baby takes a lot of your nutrition, and it's not easy to find a
balance.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Ranee Mueller wrote:
> This is mostly directed at diabetics and those who do low-carb diets
> because of their health, rather than just wishing to lose weight.

[...]

> However, I am not really interested in it for the
> weight loss, though that is nice. Is it really feasible to jump to a
> later stage in, say, the South Beach diet, or even the maintenance diet,
> or would that negate the health benefits? I'll be talking to my doctor
> about it, but I was interested in some input from people who actually
> live with the diet.

Check out <alt.support.diet.low-carb>

The FAQ is published every day and it has a zillion links for every
conceivable question you might have, about all aspects of low-carbing.

There are many knowledgeable people there who either know the answers or
can steer you to them.

Pastorio