Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that wrote in
> article . com>:
>
> >"I'm telling you the most solemn and sober truth now: Whoever believes
> >in me has real life, eternal life. I am the Bread of Life. Your
> >ancestors ate the manna bread in the desert and died. But now here is
> >Bread that truly comes down out of heaven. Anyone eating this Bread
> >will not die, ever. I am the Bread--living Bread!-who came down out of
> >heaven. Anyone who eats this Bread will live--and forever! The Bread
> >that I present to the world so that it can eat and live is myself, this
> >flesh-and-blood self." John 6 : 47-50 The Message
>
> This is a very interpretive (i.e., going beyond the original language)
> translation. The Revised Standard Version is much truer to the original
> Greek text and to the way Jesus reportedly spoke and taught, that is to
> say poetically and symbolically:
>
> "Truly, truly*, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. I am
> the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and
> they died. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man
> may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from
> heaven; if any one eats of this bread , he will live forever; and the
> bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."
>
> * Doubled terms or phrases are typical of Hebrew (Semitic) poetry.
>
> The other significant problem is that John is the most allegorical,
> non-literal of the four Gospels. Fundamentalists who take things
> literally make a mockery of the original teachings.

The LORD guides those who walk with HIM exactly how to use that which HE
teaches them. Because Carol's walk with the LORD is infinitely closer
than your walk, her use of HIS teachings is not mockery of HIM at all.
The same can not be written concerning your comments about the Gospels.

Truth is simple.

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the LORD has reshaped me:

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Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
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Dear Andrew,

T>>>>>>>>>>>>he LORD guides those who walk with HIM exactly how to use
that which HE
teaches them. Because Carol's walk with the LORD is infinitely closer
than your walk, her use of HIS teachings is not mockery of HIM at all.
The same can not be written concerning your comments about the Gospels.
<<<<<<<<<<<<

I'm not so sure we can know this to be true Andrew. A man who can clear
his mind of all that he sees to be stumbling blocks may end up walking
much closer to Him than ever I could.

Don, did have a valid point and one I have raised myself in the past
when The Message was read. If it does nothing else, The Message sparks
the flame in some people. It's lively and I've seen it waken the
elderly and made them sit up in surprise and listen. Maybe it's a
reflection of The Holy Spirit within the reader when it is read.

I have an academic friend who has an array of bibles and yet he seems
to have honed in on The Message and taken a lot of spiritual comfort
and interpretation from it. It seems to be far removed from the
academic world. The Lord finds a way to speak to us and touch our souls
one way or another.

In Christ's love
Carol T

Don Kirkman wrote:
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article >:
>
> >Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that wrote in
> >> article . com>:
>
> >> >"I'm telling you the most solemn and sober truth now: Whoever believes
> >> >in me has real life, eternal life. I am the Bread of Life. Your
> >> >ancestors ate the manna bread in the desert and died. But now here is
> >> >Bread that truly comes down out of heaven. Anyone eating this Bread
> >> >will not die, ever. I am the Bread--living Bread!-who came down out of
> >> >heaven. Anyone who eats this Bread will live--and forever! The Bread
> >> >that I present to the world so that it can eat and live is myself, this
> >> >flesh-and-blood self." John 6 : 47-50 The Message
>
> >> This is a very interpretive (i.e., going beyond the original language)
> >> translation. The Revised Standard Version is much truer to the original
> >> Greek text and to the way Jesus reportedly spoke and taught, that is to
> >> say poetically and symbolically:
>
> >> "Truly, truly*, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. I am
> >> the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and
> >> they died. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man
> >> may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from
> >> heaven; if any one eats of this bread , he will live forever; and the
> >> bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."
>
> >> * Doubled terms or phrases are typical of Hebrew (Semitic) poetry.
>
> >> The other significant problem is that John is the most allegorical,
> >> non-literal of the four Gospels. Fundamentalists who take things
> >> literally make a mockery of the original teachings.
>
> >The LORD guides those who walk with HIM exactly how to use that which HE
> >teaches them. Because Carol's walk with the LORD is infinitely closer
> >than your walk, her use of HIS teachings is not mockery of HIM at all.
> >The same can not be written concerning your comments about the Gospels.
>
> The Lord knows who walks with him and who doesn't;

Correct.

> not all who say
> "Lord, Lord" know him nor will they find him.

Correct.

> Repent while there is
> time, Doc.

Already done and continue to do in my choice to continue walking with
the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)).

> BTW, you really do need to work on your comprehension skills. Nowhere
> did I say Carol's message is "mockery of HIM" (though it is) but that it
> is "a mockery of the original teachings", an example of fundamentalist
> oversimplification and reliance on tendentious teachers.

Only the LORD's opinion matters here. You would have known this had
you ever walked with HIM.

> >Truth is simple.
>
> Sometimes.

All the time.

> So is error, usually;

The opposite of truth is not error. You would have known this had you
been able to discern the truth.

> yours is extremely simple in mind and
> in knowledge of Christian doctrine.

Without the LORD, knowledge of Christian doctrine is meaningless.

With the LORD, there is infinite knowledge of all things seen and
unseen.

> It seems to be you and Carol
> against millions of Christians in thousands of generations who have read
> and understood the documents and the teachings..

Those who side with the truth remain invincible whether one or many in
number.

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/05/06) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > The LORD guides those who walk with HIM exactly how to use that which HE
> > teaches them. Because Carol's walk with the LORD is infinitely closer
> > than your walk, her use of HIS teachings is not mockery of HIM at all.
> > The same can not be written concerning your comments about the Gospels.
> >
> > Truth is simple.
>
> And so are judgements, huh, Andrew...

No.

> Knowing what's in God's mind.

Receiving the LORD's guidance is not reading the LORD's mind...

> Knowing God's opinion of things.

.... nor is it knowing HIS opinion of things...

> Knowing God's opinion of Don.

.... or of Don.

> Sanctimonious fraud.

If you were also secure in the truth, you too would have the strength to
resist the temptation of descending into namecalling.

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

" wrote:
>
> Dear Andrew,
>
> T>>>>>>>>>>>>he LORD guides those who walk with HIM exactly how to use
> that which HE
> teaches them. Because Carol's walk with the LORD is infinitely closer
> than your walk, her use of HIS teachings is not mockery of HIM at all.
> The same can not be written concerning your comments about the Gospels.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> I'm not so sure we can know this to be true Andrew. A man who can clear
> his mind of all that he sees to be stumbling blocks may end up walking
> much closer to Him than ever I could.
>
> Don, did have a valid point and one I have raised myself in the past
> when The Message was read. If it does nothing else, The Message sparks
> the flame in some people. It's lively and I've seen it waken the
> elderly and made them sit up in surprise and listen. Maybe it's a
> reflection of The Holy Spirit within the reader when it is read.
>
> I have an academic friend who has an array of bibles and yet he seems
> to have honed in on The Message and taken a lot of spiritual comfort
> and interpretation from it. It seems to be far removed from the
> academic world. The Lord finds a way to speak to us and touch our souls
> one way or another.
>
> In Christ's love
> Carol T

Amen and amen :-)

May Don make the choice to turn from the wide meandering path of the
world to the straight and narrow path of the LORD, in Jesus' most
precious and holy name.

"He drew His bow and made me the target for His arrows. He pierced my
heart with arrows from His quiver." (Lamentations 3:12-13)

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Dear Andrew,
>
> T>>>>>>>>>>>>he LORD guides those who walk with HIM exactly how to use
> that which HE
> teaches them. Because Carol's walk with the LORD is infinitely closer
> than your walk, her use of HIS teachings is not mockery of HIM at all.
> The same can not be written concerning your comments about the Gospels.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> I'm not so sure we can know this to be true Andrew. A man who can clear
> his mind of all that he sees to be stumbling blocks may end up walking
> much closer to Him than ever I could.

You're a looney!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557