In article >,
The Bubbo > wrote:

> Now I am just patiently waiting for the christmas china...

Becky? Is that YOU? Pretending to be Heather? JEEEZus!
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >,
> The Bubbo > wrote:
>
>> Now I am just patiently waiting for the christmas china...
>
> Becky? Is that YOU? Pretending to be Heather? JEEEZus!

We're all the same...patiently biding our time...

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www.velvet-c.com
Step off, beyotches, I'm the roflpimp!

On 27 Dec 2005 00:16:43 +0100, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> No, my Royal Jackson pattern is Cherry Branch. My mom always though it
> looked like Christmas china.
>
> http://www.replacements.com/webquote/ROJCHB.htm
>
Very pretty! I think it looks like Spring.

> My Wedgewood is the Queensware Shell Edge, Cream on Lavender.
>
> http://www.replacements.com/webquote/WW_CCLS.htm

Gorgeous! Except, I've actually tried to imagine using it as "eating"
china and came up with a big NO because I'd probably chip it in a New
York minute. You must be a lot more careful than I am. LOL

--

Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

On Mon 26 Dec 2005 10:52:58p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it sf?

> On 27 Dec 2005 00:16:43 +0100, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> No, my Royal Jackson pattern is Cherry Branch. My mom always though it
>> looked like Christmas china.
>>
>> http://www.replacements.com/webquote/ROJCHB.htm
>>
> Very pretty! I think it looks like Spring.

Thanks! I never thought about it before, but I think your right.

>> My Wedgewood is the Queensware Shell Edge, Cream on Lavender.
>>
>> http://www.replacements.com/webquote/WW_CCLS.htm
>
> Gorgeous! Except, I've actually tried to imagine using it as "eating"
> china and came up with a big NO because I'd probably chip it in a New
> York minute. You must be a lot more careful than I am. LOL

Thanks, again! I really love this pattern. I collected it from age 22 to
age 25, have 12 place settings and lots of serving pieces. It's really a
rather sturdy china, the only issue being the border. It's fine in the
dishwasher, and as long as the pieces are stacked with separators, there's no
damage to the border. In fact, in the 35+ years I've used it, I have never
damaged a piece, apart from 1 dinner plate that I broke by setting it down on
an electric burner that I didn't know was turned on. It exploded!

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________ ________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >,
> The Bubbo > wrote:
>
> > After much finagling and sibling rivalry I managed to inherit my mother's
> > Wedgwood china (I think my argument that my mom gave my sister the Saab was
> > pretty much the end of the debate). I've had this china since May and Friday
> > night was the first time I'd really gotten to use it.
> >
> > I had a complete set of Wedgwood before, but my ex got that in the Great
> > Division of Property (I also lost my KA food processor, but I got the buffet
> > crammed full of serving dishes).
> >
> > After the night of the first real use, David accidentally drops a bread plate
> > and shatters it. I'm not mad, i know it was an accident, but that damned
> > thing, that small 6 inch plate, costs $23 plus shipping.
> >
> > Dammit.
>
> Right. The bum. Accidents happen,
> But, frankly, that seems reasonably priced to me.
> --

My philosophy: If you have something you don't want to risk being
broken by guests, and don't want t have to hover over it worrying about
it while entertaining -- then don't use it! Pu tit on display behind
locked glass doors. Leave it in sight to impress people, but not
worry. But then, I think it's crass to have displays just to
"impress," so I don't do that. I think entertaining is a time to
relax, even if it is slightly formal. I don't buy anything I would
worry about breaking.

I once loaned some crystal wine glasses to a friend for an event. They
were returned packed badly in a box with two broken. I didn't say a
word. Would never. However, I won't loan him anything again.

The Bubbo wrote:
> P.Aitken wrote:
>
> > It sounds like this china is nothing but a source of worry for you. Why
> > bother - to impress people? It is meant to be used, and therefore will
> > get broken. Enjoy it and accept the inevitable breakage - or put it on
> > display where it is safe.
> >
> > Peter
> >
>
> welcome to the wonderful world that is me where I worry about everything and
> everything is a source of anxiety.
>
> I like the china, I like to eat off it and I like servinbg on it. I think it's
> pretty. I know things will break but I'd like to keep the 8 place settings
> that I have complete.
>
> --
> .:Heather:.

Well, still, logic says you have a choice: Use it and risk breaking,
or keep it safe by not using it. Life is tough.


> www.velvet-c.com
> Step off, beyotches, I'm the roflpimp!

On 27 Dec 2005 07:12:21 +0100, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> I have never
> damaged a piece, apart from 1 dinner plate that I broke by setting it down on
> an electric burner that I didn't know was turned on. It exploded!

Oh, I did that once with a platter... except I accidentally turned on
the burner while it was on it and it sat there for who knows how long
heating up. Of course, I panicked. Instead of just turning off the
burner and letting it cool down on the burner, I took it off and set
it on my wooden cutting board thinking it wouldn't shock the china.
Wrong! It didn't explode, but it did crack in 1/2 so I ended up
kissing my favorite platter goodbye.
--

Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:46:46 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I have never been a fan of really fancy dishes, especially the sort that are
> easily broken and difficult to replace. I opted for nice every day dishes that
> are nice for us and nothing to be embarrassed about using for special company.
> When we were first married we went with A Franciscan pattern. A few pieces got
> broken, and when I went to replace them I found that the pattern had been
> discontinued. When we got down to the point where we needed a new set, I chose
> a Johnson Bros. pattern that had been around for years. Damned if that pattern
> suddenly got pulled. So when we ran low on cups and saucers it was time to
> look for another pattern. We really liked another Johnson Bros. pattern and
> bought 8 settings of it. We broke two plates within the first 6 months so I
> headed back to the store to order replacements. Son of a gun, that pattern had
> been discontinued. Thank goodness there is a place not too far from here were
> there is a good stock of some of the discontinued patterns and we got the
> replacements. We thought that we were out of luck, but my wife discovered that
> there were bread and butter plates available in that pattern, which was odd,
> because when we originally bought the place settings there were no bread and
> butter plates in that pattern. My wife ordered a bunch of them for herself for
> Christmas.
>
Good story.... it sounds like your interest is the kiss of death for
china patterns!



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Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

Oh I have to chime in. I still love my Lenox Royal Scroll - bone china
with a raised dot in the paint and a gold band, but machine washable.

http://www.replacements.com/webquote/L__ROSC.htm

Lenox sent me a note this year that they're taking it out of production
so stock up! But I have service for 9, teapot, platter, veg. bowl,
sugar & creamer, salt and pepper. I really don't need any more. I love
what I've got.

Used it at a potluck recently and were the other kids impressed! Or at
least the one who noticed the raised dot. I didn't put it out to
impress anybody BTW, I just think it's pretty and I needed to use every
plate in the house to feed the multitudes. Didn't want to use paper.

Funny that I have a thing for crockery. I'm not "like that" otherwise.

Leila

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >,
> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:36:43 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> > > wrote:
> >
> > And you're leaving these to me in your will, right ... Mom?
> >
> > They're beautiful!
> >
> > Carol

> I once asked my
> daughter what, of my Stuff, she wants when I croak. Well, now, she
> *promptly* replied, "The sterling, your diamond bracelet, the Christmas
> dishes, and your good china and crystal." MY reply was, "Jeez, have

snip-
> http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 12-22-05

I don't see our Jill McQ piping up here. Jill, don't think I haven't
forgotten those green birds. You're *NOT* using them, are you, Jill?

You know I want them, dearest.

Now you're too young to croak (and we have the same birthdate, within a
year or two of each other IIRC) so we can't really talk about wills and
such.

But I remember those peacocks.

Pretty please?

Love,

Leila
Green-eyed for china - Jill's china.

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> The Bubbo > wrote:
>
>
> Many years ago, several of us went to somebody's house. Everything was
> perfect. Her nails were perfect, the house was perfect, her makeup was
> perfect and her kids were perfect. I felt sorry for her kids. That's
> not fun. She served us some little food item on little plates. She
> made a big point about how the plates were rimmed in platinum and cost
> US$90.00 each. I couldn't wait to finish the food and give the plate
> back.
>

No hostess with manners would be so crass as to make such a point. Was
she trying to sell you the dishes? Sheesh.

I put out my good china along with the Williams-Sonoma buffet plates at
a potluck recently, given for students and teacher at my novel workshop
at grad school. People don't have lots of money when they're in grad
school. I wouldn't think of saying: these are the expensive dishes,
they cost $125 a place setting, on sale, but they're more expensive
now. I want my guests to enjoy their food and if they notice the dishes
are pretty, so much the better. Also I don't want to flaunt my good
fortune. I'm 10-15 years older than most of these kids and I was lucky
enough to marry a guy who earns well; his side of the family also
believes in generous wedding presents, so I got money and/or gifts for
all kinds of kitchen/dining stuff. This is all just sheer luck. If it
weren't for my great family - and his - I wouldn't have any of this
stuff. Why brag about it, if it might make people feel uncomfortable?
I'm only talking about it here because this thread is for china mavens.

Dan - if you ever come to my house for dinner, you are welcome to use
the porcelain dinner plates and mismatching dessert dishes. If I forget
and serve you on the bone china, remind me and I'll switch ya.

Leila

> Thanks, again! I really love this pattern. I collected it from age 22 to
> age 25, have 12 place settings and lots of serving pieces. It's really a
> rather sturdy china, the only issue being the border. It's fine in the
> dishwasher, and as long as the pieces are stacked with separators, there's
> no
> damage to the border. In fact, in the 35+ years I've used it, I have
> never
> damaged a piece, apart from 1 dinner plate that I broke by setting it down
> on
> an electric burner that I didn't know was turned on. It exploded!
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright *¿*

Wayne, when you move into your new abode, I hope you will not have packers
doing your packing for you. Although I had one set of packers once who did
a better job than I ever would/could. But, I think that is rare.
Dee Dee

On Tue 27 Dec 2005 07:20:50a, Dee Randall wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
>> Thanks, again! I really love this pattern. I collected it from age 22
>> to age 25, have 12 place settings and lots of serving pieces. It's
>> really a rather sturdy china, the only issue being the border. It's
>> fine in the dishwasher, and as long as the pieces are stacked with
>> separators, there's no damage to the border. In fact, in the 35+ years
>> I've used it, I have never damaged a piece, apart from 1 dinner plate
>> that I broke by setting it down on an electric burner that I didn't
>> know was turned on. It exploded!
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright *¿*
>
> Wayne, when you move into your new abode, I hope you will not have
> packers doing your packing for you. Although I had one set of packers
> once who did a better job than I ever would/could. But, I think that is
> rare. Dee Dee

Thanks for the thought, Dee. When we moved from OH to AZ I had packers
for everything, primarily because any resulting damages were insured for
100% replacement. There wasn't a scratch or breakage in the whole moving
van. We were quite lucky. Local movers are another story, though. I
don't trust them. We will be moving all the china, lamps, electronics,
etc., ourselves. The movers will be handling the furniture and non-
breakables.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

wrote:
> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > The Bubbo wrote:
> >
> > > After much finagling and sibling rivalry I managed to inherit my mother's
> > > Wedgwood china (I think my argument that my mom gave my sister the Saab was
> > > pretty much the end of the debate). I've had this china since May and Friday
> > > night was the first time I'd really gotten to use it.
> > >
> > > I had a complete set of Wedgwood before, but my ex got that in the Great
> > > Division of Property (I also lost my KA food processor, but I got the buffet
> > > crammed full of serving dishes).
> > >
> > > After the night of the first real use, David accidentally drops a bread plate
> > > and shatters it. I'm not mad, i know it was an accident, but that damned
> > > thing, that small 6 inch plate, costs $23 plus shipping.
> > >
> > > Dammit.
> >
> > Right. The bum. Accidents happen,
> > But, frankly, that seems reasonably priced to me.
> > --
>
> My philosophy: If you have something you don't want to risk being
> broken by guests, and don't want t have to hover over it worrying about
> it while entertaining -- then don't use it! Pu tit on display behind
> locked glass doors. Leave it in sight to impress people, but not
> worry. But then, I think it's crass to have displays just to
> "impress," so I don't do that. I think entertaining is a time to
> relax, even if it is slightly formal. I don't buy anything I would
> worry about breaking.
>
> I once loaned some crystal wine glasses to a friend for an event. They
> were returned packed badly in a box with two broken. I didn't say a
> word. Would never. However, I won't loan him anything again.

Then considering your opening premise you're being hipocritical.
Anyway, wine glasses are cheap, a box of eight everyday
stemware/barware costs like $10-$15... if a neighbor came to me and
asked to borrow stemware (it's probably last minute and the stores are
closed) I'd gift them a box of Luminarc, I have plenty extra. Normal
people neither borrow or lend expensive crystal... which is why I don't
believe your story.

Normal people who entertain own tableware of various caliber cost...
it's perfectly normal to choose which service to use by occasion and
for which guests. Normal people don't use their best service for all
occasions/all guests, not unless your best service is melmac. I don't
use anywhere near my best service for sandwiches, potato salad, and jug
wine. And yes, I have sets of crystal I keep displayed behind glass,
and under lock and key, but on occasion it does get used, typically for
small intimate gatherings consisting of civilized folk who also have
similar priorities and so appreciate and respect others valuable
property... like when my brother visits we'll sip $200 brandy, he can
choose whichever glassware he likes, usually the ones he gifted me that
he purchased from Tiffany that cost $50 per, or those that belonged to
our parents, which are priceless. Do you really think I should feel
obligated to lend a set of valuable crystal stemware, r u nutz.

Learn: http://www.luminarc.us/info/aboutUs.php

Sheldon wrote:

> Then considering your opening premise you're being hipocritical.
> Anyway, wine glasses are cheap, a box of eight everyday
> stemware/barware costs like $10-$15... if a neighbor came to me and
> asked to borrow stemware (it's probably last minute and the stores are
> closed) I'd gift them a box of Luminarc, I have plenty extra. Normal
> people neither borrow or lend expensive crystal... which is why I don't
> believe your story.
>

Holy shit. I agree with Sheldon. Wine glasses have a short live expectancy in this
house. I look for sets of nice glasses in stores where they have a running supply of
them and stock up. Occasionally I buy several sets of them on sale, take one out and
put the rest away for replacements. If/when I break a few, I have immediate
replacements.

Around here, wine stores have glasses for rent for people having large parties. In some
of them, they loan you the glasses for free if you buy a certain amount of wine from
them.... enough to need a lot of extra glasses. You don't even have to wash them. Just
put them back in the case and take them back.

I broke a nice crystal glass as a party a few years ago. I don't think it was my fault.
I had to go to a party for my wife's church choir. I can't stand the hostess. She is a
royal bitch. She is a self righteous snob who I have almost collided with on the road a
few times when she pulled out in front of me. She is the reason some people have quit
the choir. I got coerced into going to this party, but I arrived late because I had
had a riding lesson. Her husband gave me a nice crystal wine glass. I opened my wine,
poured myself a glass of wine. I set it down on the "bar" which turned out to be two
card tables of slightly different heights with a cloth over it. I didn't realize that
it was uneven. I set it down on the edge of the two tables, not realizing the surface
was crooked. My bottle tipped over and caused a domino reaction. It fell over, hit
another bottle, which then hit a third bottle, which in turn fell it hit the edge of
the glass and broke it.

Naturally I was upset about having broken a nice crystal glass and apologized to the
host and offered to replace it. Then his wife gave over and started berating him for
having me let me use the good crystal. It was her mother's and cannot be replaced.

Well damn it. If you are going to bitch and whine about glasses being broken, don't put
them out. If you are going to put up a bar, make sure the surface is flat. If there is
an uneven surface, don't put an protective mat on top to disguise it and then another
cloth on top of that. It is an accident looking for a place to hide it.

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:59:40 -0500, "Dee Randall"
> wrote:

>
>"serene" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 00:11:47 GMT, "P.Aitken" > wrote:
>>
>>>It sounds like this china is nothing but a source of worry for you. Why
>>>bother - to impress people? It is meant to be used, and therefore will
>>>get broken. Enjoy it and accept the inevitable breakage - or put it on
>>>display where it is safe.
>>
>> My thought exactly.
>>
>> I used my Noritake (white-on-white, trimmed in 24K gold) as an
>> everyday plate, because (a) things break, and that's part of their
>> beauty, and (b) I'm worth my finest china.
>>
>> serene
>
>I believe this is the classic Noritake one sees and is quite elegant.

It was Guenevere (we sold it when we moved), and a picture is he
http://www.replacements.com/webquote/N__GUEN.htm (ours had 24K gold
trim).

> Does
>it ever go in the dishwasher -- that is, if one is at your home?

I don't have a dishwasher, but even when I did, I didn't use it. I
prefer to handwash my dishes.

>Yes, you are indeed worth the very finest of china; that's a given.

Thanks so much.

serene

serene wrote:

>
> I don't have a dishwasher, but even when I did, I didn't use it. I
> prefer to handwash my dishes.

Me too. I don't find a dishwasher to be a time and labour saver. I find it
tedious to scrape off plates and bend over to put them in the dishwasher.
There are only two of us now and we have 8 place settings of dinnerware and
flatware, so we can go several days without having to start the machine. Then
it is a major chore to empty the machine. While we have enough dishes, we run
out of pots and pans. I have to do them by hand so we will have them ready for
the next meal. I find it just as easy to do a few plates and the flatware
along with the pots. It only takes a few minutes. I just leave them in the
rack to air dry and then spend a few minutes later on to put them away. I find
it so much easier than dealing with the dishwasher.

Sheldon wrote:

> Then considering your opening premise you're being hipocritical.
> Anyway, wine glasses are cheap, a box of eight everyday
> stemware/barware costs like $10-$15... if a neighbor came to me and
> asked to borrow stemware (it's probably last minute and the stores are
> closed) I'd gift them a box of Luminarc, I have plenty extra. Normal
> people neither borrow or lend expensive crystal... which is why I don't
> believe your story.
>
> Normal people who entertain own tableware of various caliber cost...
> it's perfectly normal to choose which service to use by occasion and
> for which guests. Normal people don't use their best service for all
> occasions/all guests, not unless your best service is melmac. I don't
> use anywhere near my best service for sandwiches, potato salad, and jug
> wine. And yes, I have sets of crystal I keep displayed behind glass,
> and under lock and key, but on occasion it does get used, typically for
> small intimate gatherings consisting of civilized folk who also have
> similar priorities and so appreciate and respect others valuable
> property... like when my brother visits we'll sip $200 brandy, he can
> choose whichever glassware he likes, usually the ones he gifted me that
> he purchased from Tiffany that cost $50 per, or those that belonged to
> our parents, which are priceless. Do you really think I should feel
> obligated to lend a set of valuable crystal stemware, r u nutz.
>
> Learn: http://www.luminarc.us/info/aboutUs.php
>

I have a propensity to break stemware and so I stopped battling it. It's
cheap, but I buy mine at IKEA. It's cheap so I don't mind if it breaks (which
it does) and it is extremely plain and simple which is my taste in dishes and
glassware.

The funny thing about the bread plate breaking was that it was the next
morning, the dishes were stacked in the kitched waiting to be washed and David
just accidentally knocked it down. I'm even less upset about it now, it's a
Wedgwood pattern (Amherst) that won't be discontinued any time soon (with
luck), so i'll be able to get the plate easily. I do take care of this china,
it means a great deal to me. I store everything in the special containers
seperated with foam and I keep them stored away in a cabinet until I need
them. My big concern is my mother getting upset that I broke one of her plates
(logically, I know she won't, but you know how things go with mothers)

At one point I had 6 sets of dishes. When I sold the house I brought it down
to 3 just to conserve space.

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www.velvet-c.com
Step off, beyotches, I'm the roflpimp!

> wrote

> My philosophy: If you have something you don't want to risk being
> broken by guests, and don't want t have to hover over it worrying about
> it while entertaining -- then don't use it!

I agree with that ...

> Put it on display behind
> locked glass doors. Leave it in sight to impress people, but not
> worry. But then, I think it's crass to have displays just to
> "impress," so I don't do that.

.... but I disagree here ... if it's something I feel strongly about,
sentimental
value, whatever, I would rather not use them with kids around or
whatever. I don't own a damn thing to impress anyone, but I have
had things that would upset me if they were broken.

> I once loaned some crystal wine glasses to a friend for an event. They
> were returned packed badly in a box with two broken. I didn't say a
> word. Would never. However, I won't loan him anything again.

Once you loaned it, you had to really accept that it was out of your
hands, so to speak. Usually no one will be as careful with your
stuff as you are. Doesn't mean I wouldn't have been ****ed off.
As Sheldon and someone else said, they can just go buy halfway
decent stuff or rent it, then no one has any worries.

I don't see anything wrong with keeping special stuff for special
occasions. Or with having a matched set of dishes, for that matter.
Doesn't mean your every day stuff is schlock, just that it is sturdier.
What's wrong with that.

nancy

Dave Smith wrote:
> serene wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't have a dishwasher, but even when I did, I didn't use it. I
>> prefer to handwash my dishes.
>
> Me too. I don't find a dishwasher to be a time and labour saver. I find it
> tedious to scrape off plates and bend over to put them in the dishwasher.
> There are only two of us now and we have 8 place settings of dinnerware and
> flatware, so we can go several days without having to start the machine.
Then
> it is a major chore to empty the machine. While we have enough dishes, we
run
> out of pots and pans. I have to do them by hand so we will have them ready
for
> the next meal. I find it just as easy to do a few plates and the flatware
> along with the pots. It only takes a few minutes. I just leave them in the
> rack to air dry and then spend a few minutes later on to put them away. I
find
> it so much easier than dealing with the dishwasher.
>

I totally prefer the dishwasher. I don't have one now and I get so easily
distracted that I have a hard time staying in the kitchen to finish the job.
I've resorted to audiobooks to help me out because even music wasn't helping
me.

I'm total MTV generation, I cannot simply do one thing at a time. If I am
watching a movie I usually have my laptop with me and I'm surfing the net or
writing something or I'm working on a crochet or knit project. If I am doing
dishes or cooking I need an audiobook to fill the rest of my head. It's crazy.

The dishwasher was easy. 15 minutes to unload, tops, and then just load as you
go. another 15 or 20 minutes to wipe down everything else int he kitchen and
you were done.

--
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www.velvet-c.com
Step off, beyotches, I'm the roflpimp!

"Dave Smith" > wrote

> I have never been a fan of really fancy dishes, especially the sort that
> are
> easily broken and difficult to replace. I opted for nice every day dishes
> that
> are nice for us and nothing to be embarrassed about using for special
> company.
> When we were first married we went with A Franciscan pattern.

Same here, Durable China. Franciscan. My ex-fil was and executive
at the company, Interpace, so we got a good deal.

>A few pieces got
> broken, and when I went to replace them I found that the pattern had been
> discontinued. When we got down to the point where we needed a new set, I
> chose
> a Johnson Bros. pattern that had been around for years.

And I think maybe Interpace owned Johnson Brothers, too. Pretty sure.

> Damned if that pattern
> suddenly got pulled. So when we ran low on cups and saucers it was time
> to
> look for another pattern. We really liked another Johnson Bros. pattern
> and
> bought 8 settings of it. We broke two plates within the first 6 months so
> I
> headed back to the store to order replacements. Son of a gun, that pattern
> had
> been discontinued.

At some point Fransciscan was bought out by ... Wedgewood???? and I
think there was an overhaul of the patterns then.

I'm always looking for replacements for my Fransciscan pattern, wish I had a
source with decent prices.

nancy

On 27 Dec 2005 16:45:47 +0100, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> Thanks for the thought, Dee. When we moved from OH to AZ I had packers
> for everything, primarily because any resulting damages were insured for
> 100% replacement. There wasn't a scratch or breakage in the whole moving
> van. We were quite lucky. Local movers are another story, though. I
> don't trust them. We will be moving all the china, lamps, electronics,
> etc., ourselves. The movers will be handling the furniture and non-
> breakables.

Maybe regulators have been breathing down the necks of interstate
movers in the past 30+ years. But my one and only experience with an
interstate move was that they did what they darned well pleased and to
heck with you if there was a problem. Daughter used a local mover for
a local move recently... involving nothing more precious or breakable
than a decent mattress, but I was very impressed with their
professionalism anyway. Of course, she knows how to crack the whip
nicely by making it obvious she has them on a timer and they need to
MOVE IT. LOL
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On 27 Dec 2005 00:42:23 -0800, Leila wrote:

> Oh I have to chime in. I still love my Lenox Royal Scroll - bone china
> with a raised dot in the paint and a gold band, but machine washable.
>
> http://www.replacements.com/webquote/L__ROSC.htm
>
> Lenox sent me a note this year that they're taking it out of production
> so stock up! But I have service for 9, teapot, platter, veg. bowl,
> sugar & creamer, salt and pepper. I really don't need any more. I love
> what I've got.

I'd stock up on what you use the most and get the most abuse, probably
dinner plates.

Just my 2 ¢.
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:58:02 -0800, serene wrote:

> It was Guenevere (we sold it when we moved), and a picture is he
> http://www.replacements.com/webquote/N__GUEN.htm (ours had 24K gold
> trim).

I absolutely love white on white raised patterns!
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"The Bubbo" > wrote

> The dishwasher was easy. 15 minutes to unload,

(astonished!!!) Why does it take so long? If I spend 3 minutes
on that it's a lot. Perhaps your kitchen cabinets are more
far flung than mine?

Takes no time to load, of course, I don't scrape the dishes,
just get rid of bones and larger leftover food, but they are
pretty darned dirty when they go in.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> "The Bubbo" > wrote
>
>> The dishwasher was easy. 15 minutes to unload,
>
> (astonished!!!) Why does it take so long? If I spend 3 minutes
> on that it's a lot. Perhaps your kitchen cabinets are more
> far flung than mine?
>
> Takes no time to load, of course, I don't scrape the dishes,
> just get rid of bones and larger leftover food, but they are
> pretty darned dirty when they go in.
>
> nancy
>
>

I would take everything out and stack in on the counter and then put it away
from there. I don't know why!

Also, let's not forget how easily distracted I am
plate...plate...oooh sound outside! glass...plate...pan...the email sound!
spoon...pan...does the pan fit on my head? do I look like a rocketship with a
pan on my head...let's make rocketship noises and run around the house...shit,
now I have to wash this pan again

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On 27 Dec 2005 08:23:31 -0800, Sheldon wrote:

> Then considering your opening premise you're being hipocritical.
> Anyway, wine glasses are cheap, a box of eight everyday
> stemware/barware costs like $10-$15... if a neighbor came to me and
> asked to borrow stemware (it's probably last minute and the stores are
> closed) I'd gift them a box of Luminarc, I have plenty extra. Normal
> people neither borrow or lend expensive crystal... which is why I don't
> believe your story.
>
> Normal people who entertain own tableware of various caliber cost...
> it's perfectly normal to choose which service to use by occasion and
> for which guests. Normal people don't use their best service for all
> occasions/all guests, not unless your best service is melmac. I don't
> use anywhere near my best service for sandwiches, potato salad, and jug
> wine.

I go down to the local restaurant supply house for mine and get it as
inexpensively as possible. If I can buy a case of nice looking
stemware at $1 or $2 each, I feel like I've hit the jackpot.
http://www.galasource.com

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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:41:00 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> Naturally I was upset about having broken a nice crystal glass and apologized to the
> host and offered to replace it. Then his wife gave over and started berating him for
> having me let me use the good crystal. It was her mother's and cannot be replaced.
>
> Well damn it. If you are going to bitch and whine about glasses being broken, don't put
> them out. If you are going to put up a bar, make sure the surface is flat. If there is
> an uneven surface, don't put an protective mat on top to disguise it and then another
> cloth on top of that. It is an accident looking for a place to hide it.

To put it into perspective, that poor guy has to live with her. You
got to go home!
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:11:53 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> serene wrote:
>
> >
> > I don't have a dishwasher, but even when I did, I didn't use it. I
> > prefer to handwash my dishes.
>
> Me too. I don't find a dishwasher to be a time and labour saver. I find it
> tedious to scrape off plates and bend over to put them in the dishwasher.
> There are only two of us now and we have 8 place settings of dinnerware and
> flatware, so we can go several days without having to start the machine. Then
> it is a major chore to empty the machine. While we have enough dishes, we run
> out of pots and pans. I have to do them by hand so we will have them ready for
> the next meal. I find it just as easy to do a few plates and the flatware
> along with the pots. It only takes a few minutes. I just leave them in the
> rack to air dry and then spend a few minutes later on to put them away. I find
> it so much easier than dealing with the dishwasher.

I LOVE my dishwasher! I do pots and pans by hand, so the dishwasher
is reserved entirely for real dishes. When it's just the two of us,
it runs every 3 or 4 days.

I do dishes in the dishwasher because I don't break anything in there.
When I do them by hand (during those rare times we need a plumber or
the dishwasher needs replacement), I break more dishes and glassware
in just a couple of days than I'd broken in the last 10 years of using
the dishwasher for washing dishes.
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I just talked to my mom and she insisted that I not replace it until it goes
on sale. She says what you all said, it's meant to be used and as such, in
danger of being broken. She occasionally laments that her Christmas china is
cracked and chipped but knows that every crack and chip is earned because she
uses them.

So I'll wait until I can find it for cheap.

Dave Smith wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> > Then considering your opening premise you're being hipocritical.
> > Anyway, wine glasses are cheap, a box of eight everyday
> > stemware/barware costs like $10-$15... if a neighbor came to me and
> > asked to borrow stemware (it's probably last minute and the stores are
> > closed) I'd gift them a box of Luminarc, I have plenty extra. Normal
> > people neither borrow or lend expensive crystal... which is why I don't
> > believe your story.
> >
>
> Holy shit. I agree with Sheldon. Wine glasses have a short live expectancy in this
> house. I look for sets of nice glasses in stores where they have a running supply of
> them and stock up. Occasionally I buy several sets of them on sale, take one out and
> put the rest away for replacements. If/when I break a few, I have immediate
> replacements.
>
> Around here, wine stores have glasses for rent for people having large parties. In some
> of them, they loan you the glasses for free if you buy a certain amount of wine from
> them.... enough to need a lot of extra glasses. You don't even have to wash them. Just
> put them back in the case and take them back.
>
> I broke a nice crystal glass as a party a few years ago. I don't think itwas my fault.
> I had to go to a party for my wife's church choir. I can't stand the hostess. She is a
> royal bitch. She is a self righteous snob who I have almost collided withon the road a
> few times when she pulled out in front of me. She is the reason some people have quit
> the choir. I got coerced into going to this party, but I arrived late because I had
> had a riding lesson. Her husband gave me a nice crystal wine glass. I opened my wine,
> poured myself a glass of wine. I set it down on the "bar" which turned out to be two
> card tables of slightly different heights with a cloth over it. I didn't realize that
> it was uneven. I set it down on the edge of the two tables, not realizingthe surface
> was crooked. My bottle tipped over and caused a domino reaction. It fell over, hit
> another bottle, which then hit a third bottle, which in turn fell it hit the edge of
> the glass and broke it.
>
> Naturally I was upset about having broken a nice crystal glass and apologized to the
> host and offered to replace it. Then his wife gave over and started berating him for
> having me let me use the good crystal. It was her mother's and cannot be replaced.
>
> Well damn it. If you are going to bitch and whine about glasses being broken, don't put
> them out. If you are going to put up a bar, make sure the surface is flat. If there is
> an uneven surface, don't put an protective mat on top to disguise it and then another
> cloth on top of that. It is an accident looking for a place to hide it.

Obviously she's a no class selfish bitch... if you can't afford a
proper bar then use plastic... what if you had hurt yourself, cut
yourself badly... but all the bitch was concerned with is her stinkin'
glass, probably was nothing so special anyway.

My next door neighbor is a scotch drinker. He works hard and drinks
hard. When Mark stops by for whatever reason, if only to bring some of
his veggies, I'll offer him his Johnny Walker Black (I don't drink it
but keep it special for him), I'll pour him a high ball glass full
except for the space three ice cubes occupy, that's his drink... high
ball glass fits his tractor's cup holder better than stemware.
Sometimes he'll stay long enough for a second or even a thrid, but then
his wife comes looking for him... he's gotta run (Goddess has spoken)
but not without his unfinished drink... heck, by now he must own a
couple dozen of my $1.50 barware, but what do I care when the scotch I
poured into one glass is worth like four glasses. I know one day he
will walk in with like a gross of my cheapo glasses, and I'll continue
to fill them again... Mark is the greatest neighbor I ever had, if I
had a son I'd want him to be like Mark.

People who entertain never put out family heirloom tableware, not for
the plebian hordes... people who entertain regularly buy cheapo
glassware by the case. I don't even use my fancy-schmancy glassware
when it's just me... yes, it's for show! Like who needs a $50 goblet
for $2 worth of gin.

I have a lot of possessions that are just for show. I collect fountain
pens, I have many worth into the thousands of dollars, some into the
tens of thousands of dollars... I actually on occasion use them, but
essentially they are for show, in fact they are so for show that I am
the only one who ever sees them. Anyone wants to borrow a pen I have
19¢ BICs.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:51:03 GMT, The Bubbo >
wrote:

> I just talked to my mom and she insisted that I not replace it until it goes
> on sale. She says what you all said, it's meant to be used and as such, in
> danger of being broken. She occasionally laments that her Christmas china is
> cracked and chipped but knows that every crack and chip is earned because she
> uses them.
>
> So I'll wait until I can find it for cheap.

This thread has prompted me to start watching for fairly complete sets
of china at the Salvation Army thrift store. They have them often. I
asked the Crashman about using our current good china, and he said no,
because it's "too nice." If I find a nice set, I'll take photos. <G>

Carol

Sheldon wrote:


> Obviously she's a no class selfish bitch... if you can't afford a
> proper bar then use plastic... what if you had hurt yourself, cut
> yourself badly... but all the bitch was concerned with is her stinkin'
> glass, probably was nothing so special anyway.
>

I'm embarassed to say my first bar was almost totally stocked by every
Officers Club on the east coast... one glass at a time. We were young
and thoughtless.
Goomba

Goomba38 wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
>
>> Obviously she's a no class selfish bitch... if you can't afford a
>> proper bar then use plastic... what if you had hurt yourself, cut
>> yourself badly... but all the bitch was concerned with is her stinkin'
>> glass, probably was nothing so special anyway.
>>
>
> I'm embarassed to say my first bar was almost totally stocked by every
> Officers Club on the east coast... one glass at a time. We were young
> and thoughtless.
> Goomba

hmmm sounds suspiciously like my dad's kitchen years ago....

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sf wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:41:00 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > Naturally I was upset about having broken a nice crystal glass and apologized to the
> > host and offered to replace it. Then his wife gave over and started berating him for
> > having me let me use the good crystal. It was her mother's and cannot be replaced.
> >
> > Well damn it. If you are going to bitch and whine about glasses being broken, don't put
> > them out. If you are going to put up a bar, make sure the surface is flat. If there is
> > an uneven surface, don't put an protective mat on top to disguise it and then another
> > cloth on top of that. It is an accident looking for a place to hide it.
>
> To put it into perspective, that poor guy has to live with her. You
> got to go home!

That's for sure. He's not a bad guy, but I feel sorry for him being married to someone the
rest of the church choir hates. :-)

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:51:03 GMT, The Bubbo >
> wrote:
>
>
>>I just talked to my mom and she insisted that I not replace it until it goes
>>on sale. She says what you all said, it's meant to be used and as such, in
>>danger of being broken. She occasionally laments that her Christmas china is
>>cracked and chipped but knows that every crack and chip is earned because she
>>uses them.
>>
>>So I'll wait until I can find it for cheap.
>
>
> This thread has prompted me to start watching for fairly complete sets
> of china at the Salvation Army thrift store. They have them often. I
> asked the Crashman about using our current good china, and he said no,
> because it's "too nice." If I find a nice set, I'll take photos. <G>
>
> Carol

This makes me think of an approach to "china" - and glassware too - that
I have heard of, and seen, but not done myself. It totally abandons the
idea that everything must match. Rather, you buy individual pieces as
they strike your fancy. Dinner plates, bread plates, bowls, serving
platters, and so on will all be different - but each one will be
gorgeous (if you have good taste). It makes for a very attractive table
and totally removes the worry of breaking a piece from a matching set.

Peter

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:37:14 -0800, sf >
wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:58:02 -0800, serene wrote:
>
>> It was Guenevere (we sold it when we moved), and a picture is he
>> http://www.replacements.com/webquote/N__GUEN.htm (ours had 24K gold
>> trim).
>
>I absolutely love white on white raised patterns!

Me, too, and when I received those dishes as a gift (my sister got a
service for 12 for $30 at a yard sale!), it was the first time I
really contemplated how many kinds of white there are. The china
itself was nearly translucent, so beautiful, and the white decoration
was a completely different white, but still white. So nice.

serene

serene wrote:


> Me, too, and when I received those dishes as a gift (my sister got a
> service for 12 for $30 at a yard sale!), it was the first time I
> really contemplated how many kinds of white there are. The china
> itself was nearly translucent, so beautiful, and the white decoration
> was a completely different white, but still white. So nice.
>
> serene

While living in Germany, one of many sets of dishes I purchased was this
Kaiser Porcelain, in a seashell type scalloped edge. I bought everything
over the years there, from cream soup bowls to demitasse to cake plates,
tea pots in various sizes and warmers. I have it ALL. I used it a lot
entertaining back then, and so purchased 16 of everything, assuming I'd
have more breakage just shipping it home again? NOTHING broke, except
one of the soup tureens, lol. So I have LOTS and lots of this one
pattern. I figure I can split it up between the kids and they'll each
have a service for 8. I also bought other sets as they struck my fancy.
My deep red Waechtersbach set is a hit at Christmas (and I have 12 of
those). These were just too inexpensive and pretty to NOT buy!!
Goomba

http://www.replacements.com/webquote/KAINIZ.htm

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:31:15 GMT, "P.Aitken" > wrote:

> This makes me think of an approach to "china" - and glassware too - that
> I have heard of, and seen, but not done myself. It totally abandons the
> idea that everything must match. Rather, you buy individual pieces as
> they strike your fancy. Dinner plates, bread plates, bowls, serving
> platters, and so on will all be different - but each one will be
> gorgeous (if you have good taste). It makes for a very attractive table
> and totally removes the worry of breaking a piece from a matching set.

Not if you have OCD. ROFLMAO!!!!

Carol, who'd never be able to live with mismatched dishes

>
> I LOVE my dishwasher! I do pots and pans by hand, so the dishwasher
> is reserved entirely for real dishes. When it's just the two of us,
> it runs every 3 or 4 days.
>

No wonder I'm overweight. When DH is away, I still do 2 loads of dishes in 3
days. I do pots and pans, knives, and the little goffy things by hand. I
guess I'm one of those that need 2 dishwashers, but that'll never happen.
Dee Dee