Ophelia wrote:

>
> "Andy" <q> wrote in message
> ...
>> sf wrote:
>>
>>> Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
>>> Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I had a year's supply of food and water, I'd still leave for a
good
>> while.
>>
>> In practical terms, New Orleans is dead.
>
> I was watching it on tv today. It is absolutely hellish


Agreed!

As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken on
sight as punishment to fit the crime!

No mercy,

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message
.. .
| Ophelia wrote:
|
| >
| > "Andy" <q> wrote in message
| > ...
| >> sf wrote:
| >>
| >>> Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
| >>> Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> If I had a year's supply of food and water, I'd still leave for a
| good
| >> while.
| >>
| >> In practical terms, New Orleans is dead.
| >
| > I was watching it on tv today. It is absolutely hellish
|
|
| Agreed!
|
| As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken on
| sight as punishment to fit the crime!
|
| No mercy,
|

The situation is getting worse down there. Hard to believe that it is
possible in a western civilized city, that such lawlessness is taking over.
I thank God that I have never known such desperation that is causing this
type of behaviour. I sure hope these people get the help they need soon.

Debbie

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:55:15 -0400, "Debbie" >
wrote:

>The situation is getting worse down there. Hard to believe that it is
>possible in a western civilized city, that such lawlessness is taking over.
>I thank God that I have never known such desperation that is causing this
>type of behaviour. I sure hope these people get the help they need soon.

I think a large part of the looting is simple desperation. If you have
not had food or drink for 2 or 3 days... As for the looters who are
going for greed - may they rot in hell.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
...
| On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:55:15 -0400, "Debbie" >
| wrote:
|
| >The situation is getting worse down there. Hard to believe that it is
| >possible in a western civilized city, that such lawlessness is taking
over.
| >I thank God that I have never known such desperation that is causing this
| >type of behaviour. I sure hope these people get the help they need soon.
|
| I think a large part of the looting is simple desperation. If you have
| not had food or drink for 2 or 3 days... As for the looters who are
| going for greed - may they rot in hell.

I agree. Dehydration can cause strange behaviours at the best of times.
Toss in this situation and.. well they need to cut some slack methinks.

Debbie

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:35:12 -0400, "Debbie" >
wrote:

>
>"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
.. .
>| On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:55:15 -0400, "Debbie" >
>| wrote:
>|
>| >The situation is getting worse down there. Hard to believe that it is
>| >possible in a western civilized city, that such lawlessness is taking
>over.
>| >I thank God that I have never known such desperation that is causing this
>| >type of behaviour. I sure hope these people get the help they need soon.
>|
>| I think a large part of the looting is simple desperation. If you have
>| not had food or drink for 2 or 3 days... As for the looters who are
>| going for greed - may they rot in hell.
>
>I agree. Dehydration can cause strange behaviours at the best of times.
>Toss in this situation and.. well they need to cut some slack methinks.


Absolutely. I don't hold it against people who are breaking into
stores to secure necessary items such as food, water, diapers, etc.;
if I were in their shoes, I'd do the same thing. The people who are
helping themselves to televisions and bling bling are another matter
entirely, of course.

Regards,
Tracy R.

"Andy" <q> wrote in message
.. .
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>>
>> "Andy" <q> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
>>>> Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I had a year's supply of food and water, I'd still leave for a
> good
>>> while.
>>>
>>> In practical terms, New Orleans is dead.
>>
>> I was watching it on tv today. It is absolutely hellish
>
>
> Agreed!
>
> As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken
> on
> sight as punishment to fit the crime!

One report says that the embankments built to keep the water out is now
keeping it in

"Ophelia" > wrote:
>One report says that the embankments built to keep the water out is now
>keeping it in

Not really. The water level in the city is now equalized with the
lake, which is a little bit above the river. If the embankments were
not there, the level wouldn't drop enough to make a real difference.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 07:28:08 -0500, Andy wrote:

> Ophelia wrote:
>
> >
> > "Andy" <q> wrote in message
> > ...
> >> sf wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
> >>> Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If I had a year's supply of food and water, I'd still leave for a
> good
> >> while.
> >>
> >> In practical terms, New Orleans is dead.
> >
> > I was watching it on tv today. It is absolutely hellish
>
>
> Agreed!
>
> As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken on
> sight as punishment to fit the crime!
>
> No mercy,
>
> Andy

Maybe there are looters who are out to make a profit, but I think most
of them are just trying to survive.

On Thu 01 Sep 2005 09:54:58p, sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 07:28:08 -0500, Andy wrote:
>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Andy" <q> wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> sf wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did
>> >>> leave. Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If I had a year's supply of food and water, I'd still leave for a
>> >> good while.
>> >>
>> >> In practical terms, New Orleans is dead.
>> >
>> > I was watching it on tv today. It is absolutely hellish
>>
>>
>> Agreed!
>>
>> As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken
>> on sight as punishment to fit the crime!
>>
>> No mercy,
>>
>> Andy
>
> Maybe there are looters who are out to make a profit, but I think most
> of them are just trying to survive.

Yeah, especially the ones with TVs and boomboxes, and no place to plug
them in. Get real, sf!

I certainly don't begrudge those taking food, baby formula, diapers,
medicines, etc., but really...everything else?

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
unless there are three other people.

sf replied to Andy:

>> As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken on
>> sight as punishment to fit the crime!
>>
>> No mercy,
>>
>> Andy
>
> Maybe there are looters who are out to make a profit, but I think most
> of them are just trying to survive.


Earlier today, I received this on an e-mail list:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
My SO's bro just got orders and will be deployed to NO tonight.
What is significant and not neccessarily reported in the news is that,
essentially he is leading his unit there to shoot to kill. Most national
guards are trained to do crowd control, or rescue; but his is specifially
running the tactical unit (Bortac). He said he would prefer to arm
his units with rifles (shots than will scatter a wide area) than machine
guns right now...but we will see what he would sign out from the arsenal
for his men...they are gonan stay for a month as told.

Apparently the gangs had taken over Metrodome, and started moving across
town to the nice rich area in NO. Let just say that most of the really
rich people in the south live in that area, and there are a lot of
Picassos being left behind....I do not think that this is just about
shooting someone who try to steal a TV from Walmart.

Tonight we were making satellite maps for her bro while he was back with
his unit preparing to board the cargo plane. My SO went to school in NO
and gave her bro all the tips he needed...(which gangs, which building in
which district to hide, which projects, which buildings has hidden medical
equipment..etc.)

This is going to be very messy before it will be OK again. NO will never
be the same. The Jesuit owned lands will probably be OK and restored, as
will the French Quarter, but the rest would probably be left to rot...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bob

On 2005-09-02, Bob > wrote:

> Earlier today, I received this on an e-mail list:

.....which means it's more than likely a lotta bull.

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2005-09-02, Bob > wrote:
>
>
>>Earlier today, I received this on an e-mail list:
>
>
> ....which means it's more than likely a lotta bull.
>
> nb

Because you are there and know first hand?

Roberta (in VA)

On 2005-09-02, Roberta > wrote:

> Because you are there and know first hand?

Oh, you get reliable factual information from email lists? How nice
for you. Put your money in any Nigerian banks lately?

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
| On 2005-09-02, Bob > wrote:
|
| > Earlier today, I received this on an e-mail list:
|
| ....which means it's more than likely a lotta bull.
|
Dunno about all that Bob wrote, but it was reported on CNN this am that the
National Guard had orders to shoot to kill.

Debbie

Debbie wrote:
> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> | On 2005-09-02, Bob > wrote:
> |
> | > Earlier today, I received this on an e-mail list:
> |
> | ....which means it's more than likely a lotta bull.
> |
> Dunno about all that Bob wrote, but it was reported on CNN this am that the
> National Guard had orders to shoot to kill.
>
> Debbie

Unless they are trained snipers, they can't help but shoot as best they
can - the best shot in the world, in a tense situation, cannot just
wound on purpose - any real officer will tell you that.

I heard this morning on CNN that yes, some Guard just arriving in N.O.,
had just come back from Iraq, and would not hesitate to shoot first and
ask later.

N.

Nancy1 wrote:
> Debbie wrote:
> > "notbob" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > | On 2005-09-02, Bob > wrote:
> > |
> > | > Earlier today, I received this on an e-mail list:
> > |
> > | ....which means it's more than likely a lotta bull.
> > |
> > Dunno about all that Bob wrote, but it was reported on CNN this am that the
> > National Guard had orders to shoot to kill.
> >
> > Debbie
>
> Unless they are trained snipers, they can't help but shoot as best they
> can - the best shot in the world, in a tense situation, cannot just
> wound on purpose - any real officer will tell you that.

Ain't you ever heard of the Lone Ranger... and even a dumb dago knows
to shoot kneecaps.

Sheldon

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> sf replied to Andy:
>
>>> As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken
>>> on
>>> sight as punishment to fit the crime!
>>>
>>> No mercy,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> Maybe there are looters who are out to make a profit, but I think most
>> of them are just trying to survive.
>
>
> Earlier today, I received this on an e-mail list:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> My SO's bro just got orders and will be deployed to NO tonight.
> What is significant and not neccessarily reported in the news is that,
> essentially he is leading his unit there to shoot to kill.

Is this really true? Who told you that?
Dee Dee

Dee asked:

>> My SO's bro just got orders and will be deployed to NO tonight.
>> What is significant and not neccessarily reported in the news is that,
>> essentially he is leading his unit there to shoot to kill.
>
> Is this really true? Who told you that?

The originator of that post was a guy named Vincent Ho, who lives in the San
Franciso area. If you want to ask him directly, his e-mail address is hbv
(at) tsoft.com. I see no reason to doubt it; Vincent's always been a rather
no-nonsense kind of guy.

Moreover, the National Guard (and most other military organizations) are
*trained* to shoot at the center of body mass. They don't spend the
extensive amount of time training in marksmanship that others (e.g.,
Marines) do, so they're not the sharpshooters that you might think. They
don't really have the ability to shoot to wound or disable.

Bob

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> sf replied to Andy:
>
>>> As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken
>>> on
>>> sight as punishment to fit the crime!
>>>
>>> No mercy,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> Maybe there are looters who are out to make a profit, but I think most
>> of them are just trying to survive.
>
>
> Earlier today, I received this on an e-mail list:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> My SO's bro just got orders and will be deployed to NO tonight.
> What is significant and not neccessarily reported in the news is that,
> essentially he is leading his unit there to shoot to kill. Most national
> guards are trained to do crowd control, or rescue; but his is specifially
> running the tactical unit (Bortac). He said he would prefer to arm
> his units with rifles (shots than will scatter a wide area) than machine
> guns right now...but we will see what he would sign out from the arsenal
> for his men...they are gonan stay for a month as told.
>
> Apparently the gangs had taken over Metrodome, and started moving across
> town to the nice rich area in NO. Let just say that most of the really
> rich people in the south live in that area, and there are a lot of
> Picassos being left behind....I do not think that this is just about
> shooting someone who try to steal a TV from Walmart.
>
> Tonight we were making satellite maps for her bro while he was back with
> his unit preparing to board the cargo plane. My SO went to school in NO
> and gave her bro all the tips he needed...(which gangs, which building in
> which district to hide, which projects, which buildings has hidden medical
> equipment..etc.)
>
> This is going to be very messy before it will be OK again. NO will never
> be the same. The Jesuit owned lands will probably be OK and restored, as
> will the French Quarter, but the rest would probably be left to rot...
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Bob
Oh, sorry, I thought it was a personal email.
Rumors in email. Hard to pin down, heh?
Dee Dee

Dee wrote:

> Oh, sorry, I thought it was a personal email.
> Rumors in email. Hard to pin down, heh?

Well, this one ought to be EASY to pin down. There is only one degree of
separation: I've already posted the e-mail address of the originator, and he
says that he was in direct contact with the guy who's deploying.

Bob