On 29 Aug 2005 05:02:40 -0700, Sandi wrote:

>
> jmcquown wrote:
> > Gabby wrote:
> > > "rosie" > wrote in message
> > > ups.com...
> > >> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
> > >> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
> > >>
> > >> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
> > >> thing driving the price of oil.
> > >>
> > >> I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
> > >
> > > Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
> > > evacuating the area.
> > >
> > > Gabby
> >
> > No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
> > are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, "I
> > won't leave, they can't make me".
>
> No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
> dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
> the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
> area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
> empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
> evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
>
> Anyone else - like the tourists who think it's cool to stay - are fools
> who made the choice to commit suicide by hurricane. Because many
> Americans own cell phones, cars, have toilets, have electronics, they
> assume everyone in the world, including some of their fellow Americans,
> own the same. Too bad it isn't true.
>
> Sandi

Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.

sf wrote:

> Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
> Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.



If I had a year's supply of food and water, I'd still leave for a good
while.

In practical terms, New Orleans is dead.

Imho,

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message
...
> sf wrote:
>
>> Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
>> Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.
>
>
>
> If I had a year's supply of food and water, I'd still leave for a good
> while.
>
> In practical terms, New Orleans is dead.

I was watching it on tv today. It is absolutely hellish

Ophelia wrote:

>
> "Andy" <q> wrote in message
> ...
>> sf wrote:
>>
>>> Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
>>> Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I had a year's supply of food and water, I'd still leave for a
good
>> while.
>>
>> In practical terms, New Orleans is dead.
>
> I was watching it on tv today. It is absolutely hellish


Agreed!

As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken on
sight as punishment to fit the crime!

No mercy,

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message
.. .
| Ophelia wrote:
|
| >
| > "Andy" <q> wrote in message
| > ...
| >> sf wrote:
| >>
| >>> Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
| >>> Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> If I had a year's supply of food and water, I'd still leave for a
| good
| >> while.
| >>
| >> In practical terms, New Orleans is dead.
| >
| > I was watching it on tv today. It is absolutely hellish
|
|
| Agreed!
|
| As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken on
| sight as punishment to fit the crime!
|
| No mercy,
|

The situation is getting worse down there. Hard to believe that it is
possible in a western civilized city, that such lawlessness is taking over.
I thank God that I have never known such desperation that is causing this
type of behaviour. I sure hope these people get the help they need soon.

Debbie

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:55:15 -0400, "Debbie" >
wrote:

>The situation is getting worse down there. Hard to believe that it is
>possible in a western civilized city, that such lawlessness is taking over.
>I thank God that I have never known such desperation that is causing this
>type of behaviour. I sure hope these people get the help they need soon.

I think a large part of the looting is simple desperation. If you have
not had food or drink for 2 or 3 days... As for the looters who are
going for greed - may they rot in hell.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
...
| On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:55:15 -0400, "Debbie" >
| wrote:
|
| >The situation is getting worse down there. Hard to believe that it is
| >possible in a western civilized city, that such lawlessness is taking
over.
| >I thank God that I have never known such desperation that is causing this
| >type of behaviour. I sure hope these people get the help they need soon.
|
| I think a large part of the looting is simple desperation. If you have
| not had food or drink for 2 or 3 days... As for the looters who are
| going for greed - may they rot in hell.

I agree. Dehydration can cause strange behaviours at the best of times.
Toss in this situation and.. well they need to cut some slack methinks.

Debbie

"Andy" <q> wrote in message
.. .
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>>
>> "Andy" <q> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
>>>> Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I had a year's supply of food and water, I'd still leave for a
> good
>>> while.
>>>
>>> In practical terms, New Orleans is dead.
>>
>> I was watching it on tv today. It is absolutely hellish
>
>
> Agreed!
>
> As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken
> on
> sight as punishment to fit the crime!

One report says that the embankments built to keep the water out is now
keeping it in

"Ophelia" > wrote:
>One report says that the embankments built to keep the water out is now
>keeping it in

Not really. The water level in the city is now equalized with the
lake, which is a little bit above the river. If the embankments were
not there, the level wouldn't drop enough to make a real difference.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 07:28:08 -0500, Andy wrote:

> Ophelia wrote:
>
> >
> > "Andy" <q> wrote in message
> > ...
> >> sf wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
> >>> Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If I had a year's supply of food and water, I'd still leave for a
> good
> >> while.
> >>
> >> In practical terms, New Orleans is dead.
> >
> > I was watching it on tv today. It is absolutely hellish
>
>
> Agreed!
>
> As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken on
> sight as punishment to fit the crime!
>
> No mercy,
>
> Andy

Maybe there are looters who are out to make a profit, but I think most
of them are just trying to survive.

On Thu 01 Sep 2005 09:54:58p, sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 07:28:08 -0500, Andy wrote:
>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Andy" <q> wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> sf wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did
>> >>> leave. Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If I had a year's supply of food and water, I'd still leave for a
>> >> good while.
>> >>
>> >> In practical terms, New Orleans is dead.
>> >
>> > I was watching it on tv today. It is absolutely hellish
>>
>>
>> Agreed!
>>
>> As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken
>> on sight as punishment to fit the crime!
>>
>> No mercy,
>>
>> Andy
>
> Maybe there are looters who are out to make a profit, but I think most
> of them are just trying to survive.

Yeah, especially the ones with TVs and boomboxes, and no place to plug
them in. Get real, sf!

I certainly don't begrudge those taking food, baby formula, diapers,
medicines, etc., but really...everything else?

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
unless there are three other people.

sf replied to Andy:

>> As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken on
>> sight as punishment to fit the crime!
>>
>> No mercy,
>>
>> Andy
>
> Maybe there are looters who are out to make a profit, but I think most
> of them are just trying to survive.


Earlier today, I received this on an e-mail list:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
My SO's bro just got orders and will be deployed to NO tonight.
What is significant and not neccessarily reported in the news is that,
essentially he is leading his unit there to shoot to kill. Most national
guards are trained to do crowd control, or rescue; but his is specifially
running the tactical unit (Bortac). He said he would prefer to arm
his units with rifles (shots than will scatter a wide area) than machine
guns right now...but we will see what he would sign out from the arsenal
for his men...they are gonan stay for a month as told.

Apparently the gangs had taken over Metrodome, and started moving across
town to the nice rich area in NO. Let just say that most of the really
rich people in the south live in that area, and there are a lot of
Picassos being left behind....I do not think that this is just about
shooting someone who try to steal a TV from Walmart.

Tonight we were making satellite maps for her bro while he was back with
his unit preparing to board the cargo plane. My SO went to school in NO
and gave her bro all the tips he needed...(which gangs, which building in
which district to hide, which projects, which buildings has hidden medical
equipment..etc.)

This is going to be very messy before it will be OK again. NO will never
be the same. The Jesuit owned lands will probably be OK and restored, as
will the French Quarter, but the rest would probably be left to rot...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bob

On 2005-09-02, Bob > wrote:

> Earlier today, I received this on an e-mail list:

.....which means it's more than likely a lotta bull.

nb

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> sf replied to Andy:
>
>>> As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken
>>> on
>>> sight as punishment to fit the crime!
>>>
>>> No mercy,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> Maybe there are looters who are out to make a profit, but I think most
>> of them are just trying to survive.
>
>
> Earlier today, I received this on an e-mail list:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> My SO's bro just got orders and will be deployed to NO tonight.
> What is significant and not neccessarily reported in the news is that,
> essentially he is leading his unit there to shoot to kill.

Is this really true? Who told you that?
Dee Dee

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> sf replied to Andy:
>
>>> As for the looters, imho, they should simply have their wrists broken
>>> on
>>> sight as punishment to fit the crime!
>>>
>>> No mercy,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> Maybe there are looters who are out to make a profit, but I think most
>> of them are just trying to survive.
>
>
> Earlier today, I received this on an e-mail list:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> My SO's bro just got orders and will be deployed to NO tonight.
> What is significant and not neccessarily reported in the news is that,
> essentially he is leading his unit there to shoot to kill. Most national
> guards are trained to do crowd control, or rescue; but his is specifially
> running the tactical unit (Bortac). He said he would prefer to arm
> his units with rifles (shots than will scatter a wide area) than machine
> guns right now...but we will see what he would sign out from the arsenal
> for his men...they are gonan stay for a month as told.
>
> Apparently the gangs had taken over Metrodome, and started moving across
> town to the nice rich area in NO. Let just say that most of the really
> rich people in the south live in that area, and there are a lot of
> Picassos being left behind....I do not think that this is just about
> shooting someone who try to steal a TV from Walmart.
>
> Tonight we were making satellite maps for her bro while he was back with
> his unit preparing to board the cargo plane. My SO went to school in NO
> and gave her bro all the tips he needed...(which gangs, which building in
> which district to hide, which projects, which buildings has hidden medical
> equipment..etc.)
>
> This is going to be very messy before it will be OK again. NO will never
> be the same. The Jesuit owned lands will probably be OK and restored, as
> will the French Quarter, but the rest would probably be left to rot...
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Bob
Oh, sorry, I thought it was a personal email.
Rumors in email. Hard to pin down, heh?
Dee Dee

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, sf wrote:

> On 29 Aug 2005 05:02:40 -0700, Sandi wrote:
>
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> > Gabby wrote:
>> >> "rosie" > wrote in message
>> >> ups.com...
>> >>> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
>> >>> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>> >>>
>> >>> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
>> >>> thing driving the price of oil.
>> >>>
>> >>> I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
>> >>
>> >> Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
>> >> evacuating the area.
>> >>
>> >> Gabby
>> >
>> > No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean they
>> > are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens eruption, "I
>> > won't leave, they can't make me".
>>
>> No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
>> dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
>> the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
>> area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
>> empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
>> evacuate on their own is overwhelming.

If they decided to evacuate pittsburgh today, I'd be dead. I accept that
as one of the prices of not having a car. If someone says evacuate an
area now, are you going to wait until I walk an hour to get to your house?

I have friends in this city, but not many live nearby.

Lena

okay, so maybe I could hotwire a car. If only I knew how....

"Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, sf wrote:
>
>> On 29 Aug 2005 05:02:40 -0700, Sandi wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> > Gabby wrote:
>>> >> "rosie" > wrote in message
>>> >> ups.com...
>>> >>> airlift people north ??? Are you kidding ? They can go north under
>>> >>> their own steam, there has been plenty of warning.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Gasoline prices will no doubt be impacted, this is only one of many
>>> >>> thing driving the price of oil.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I do hope all have gone to higher ground .
>>> >>
>>> >> Officials say there are tens of thousands who have no way of
>>> >> evacuating the area.
>>> >>
>>> >> Gabby
>>> >
>>> > No way? What, they don't know anyone with a car? Or does this mean
>>> > they
>>> > are being stubborn, as in the wake of the 1980's Mt. St. Helens
>>> > eruption, "I
>>> > won't leave, they can't make me".
>>>
>>> No Jill, it means many are poor and/or homeless urban inner-city
>>> dwellers who don't have cars or don't know people with cars. They are
>>> the elderly who don't drive and who don't have family members in the
>>> area who drive. They are the people with no choice but to stay. Your
>>> empathy, compassion, and respect for the elderly and poor who cannot
>>> evacuate on their own is overwhelming.
>
> If they decided to evacuate pittsburgh today, I'd be dead. I accept that
> as one of the prices of not having a car. If someone says evacuate an
> area now, are you going to wait until I walk an hour to get to your house?

Yep,
Dee Dee

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:55:53 -0700, sf > wrote:

>Sandi - you're absolutely right. Those who could leave, did leave.
>Those who stayed either couldn't leave or were fool hearty.

"Fool hearty" was an interesting typo - their hearts *were* foolish,
but hindsight is always 20/20.

Dammit.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"