if you've used this hand powered model

http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=158486

can you tell me about how much it produces per minute? I want to make
a lot of poppyseed torte so it should be finely ground but not take all
day to grind ~1000g worth

I'm toying with the idea of getting an electric mill - not only for
poppy seeds - something more all-purpose like this

http://store.yahoo.com/thehealthykitchen/mimome.html

any thoughts on whether it really is suitable for poppy seeds?

On Mon 25 Jul 2005 11:09:56p, tert in seattle wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> if you've used this hand powered model
>
> http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=158486

I have this exact mill and it produces absolutely perfectly ground
poppyseed.

> can you tell me about how much it produces per minute? I want to make
> a lot of poppyseed torte so it should be finely ground but not take all
> day to grind ~1000g worth

I have no idea how much it produces per minute. It does take a while to
grind a pound or two, but I feel it's worth it. I don't know how much
1000g is.

> I'm toying with the idea of getting an electric mill - not only for
> poppy seeds - something more all-purpose like this
>
> http://store.yahoo.com/thehealthykitchen/mimome.html

I would be somewhat skeptical of any millused for the purpose of grinding
seeds, grains, nuts, etc., that has a housing made of plastic, despite the
burr being made of metal.

> any thoughts on whether it really is suitable for poppy seeds?

Personally, I'll stick with my manual grinder. It will outlast me! :-)

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On 2005-07-26, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> grind a pound or two, but I feel it's worth it. I don't know how much
> 1000g is.

There's approx. 28g per oz and 16oz per lb. So, 16 x 28 = 448g and 448
goes into 1000 about 2.23 times so 1000g is about 2-1/4lbs. This is a
rough calculation to show a quick way to figure it. It's actually
closer to 2.203lbs or 2-1/5lbs.

nb

On Tue 26 Jul 2005 12:36:20a, notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2005-07-26, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>> grind a pound or two, but I feel it's worth it. I don't know how much
>> 1000g is.
>
> There's approx. 28g per oz and 16oz per lb. So, 16 x 28 = 448g and 448
> goes into 1000 about 2.23 times so 1000g is about 2-1/4lbs. This is a
> rough calculation to show a quick way to figure it. It's actually
> closer to 2.203lbs or 2-1/5lbs.
>
> nb
>

Thanks, nb. I'm not very good at carrying grams in my head. That is a
nice quick way to get an estimate. I actually have a nice little converter
on my other PC, but didn't want to drag myself over to use it. I wouldn't
hestitate in grinding this amount in my manual grinder, although it would
take a little time. I grind about 2 lbs. of poppyseed in it at Christmas
and at Easter.

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Wayne Boatwright wrote on 26 Jul 2005 in rec.food.cooking

> I have no idea how much it produces per minute. It does take a
> while to grind a pound or two, but I feel it's worth it. I don't
> know how much 1000g is.
>
>

2.2 lbs it is 1 kilogram
Poppy Seeds are hard to do...takes a special mill because of their
small size. A regular grain mill won't do the job...Neither will a
coffee grinder or food processor.
Better flavour is achieved when they're only crushed not actually
ground. There all my knowledge of poppyseeds.

--
It's not a question of where he grips it!
It's a simple question of weight ratios!

A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

On Tue 26 Jul 2005 12:38:44a, Monsur Fromage du Pollet wrote in
rec.food.cooking:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote on 26 Jul 2005 in rec.food.cooking
>
>> I have no idea how much it produces per minute. It does take a
>> while to grind a pound or two, but I feel it's worth it. I don't
>> know how much 1000g is.
>>
>>
>
> 2.2 lbs it is 1 kilogram
> Poppy Seeds are hard to do...takes a special mill because of their
> small size. A regular grain mill won't do the job...Neither will a
> coffee grinder or food processor.
> Better flavour is achieved when they're only crushed not actually
> ground. There all my knowledge of poppyseeds.
>

True, Alan. The manual mill in the first picture is just like mine and it
does a perfect job of it. I'm very skeptical of the electric mill in the
second picture.

I remember back in the 50s and 60s, most of the supermarkets in the
Cleveland, OH area had large electric poppyseed mills. Poppyseed was
relatively inexpensive in those days and with the large populations of
Hungarian, Polish, Slovak, etc., there was a huge demand for fresh ground
poppyseed.

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writes:
>On Tue 26 Jul 2005 12:38:44a, Monsur Fromage du Pollet wrote in
>rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote on 26 Jul 2005 in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> I have no idea how much it produces per minute. It does take a
>>> while to grind a pound or two, but I feel it's worth it. I don't
>>> know how much 1000g is.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 2.2 lbs it is 1 kilogram
>> Poppy Seeds are hard to do...takes a special mill because of their
>> small size. A regular grain mill won't do the job...Neither will a
>> coffee grinder or food processor.
>> Better flavour is achieved when they're only crushed not actually
>> ground. There all my knowledge of poppyseeds.
>>
>
>True, Alan. The manual mill in the first picture is just like mine and it
>does a perfect job of it. I'm very skeptical of the electric mill in the
>second picture.
>
>I remember back in the 50s and 60s, most of the supermarkets in the
>Cleveland, OH area had large electric poppyseed mills. Poppyseed was
>relatively inexpensive in those days and with the large populations of
>Hungarian, Polish, Slovak, etc., there was a huge demand for fresh ground
>poppyseed.


Thanks Wayne. Sorry about getting all metric on you -- I saw somewhere,
not sure where now, that someone said it takes 1 minute to grind 50 g
(1-3/4 oz.) of poppyseeds with this thing. So for my 1000g at that
rate it would take half an hour. I know there are worse things to be
doing for 30 minutes straight such as watching Oprah but it seems like I
should be using another device if that is the case. Or I could connect
it to a motor.

fyi check this out:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

On Tue 26 Jul 2005 11:01:04a, tert in seattle wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> writes:
>>On Tue 26 Jul 2005 12:38:44a, Monsur Fromage du Pollet wrote in
>>rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote on 26 Jul 2005 in rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>>> I have no idea how much it produces per minute. It does take a
>>>> while to grind a pound or two, but I feel it's worth it. I don't
>>>> know how much 1000g is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 2.2 lbs it is 1 kilogram
>>> Poppy Seeds are hard to do...takes a special mill because of their
>>> small size. A regular grain mill won't do the job...Neither will a
>>> coffee grinder or food processor.
>>> Better flavour is achieved when they're only crushed not actually
>>> ground. There all my knowledge of poppyseeds.
>>>
>>
>>True, Alan. The manual mill in the first picture is just like mine and
>>it does a perfect job of it. I'm very skeptical of the electric mill in
>>the second picture.
>>
>>I remember back in the 50s and 60s, most of the supermarkets in the
>>Cleveland, OH area had large electric poppyseed mills. Poppyseed was
>>relatively inexpensive in those days and with the large populations of
>>Hungarian, Polish, Slovak, etc., there was a huge demand for fresh
>>ground poppyseed.
>
>
> Thanks Wayne. Sorry about getting all metric on you -- I saw somewhere,
> not sure where now, that someone said it takes 1 minute to grind 50 g
> (1-3/4 oz.) of poppyseeds with this thing. So for my 1000g at that
> rate it would take half an hour. I know there are worse things to be
> doing for 30 minutes straight such as watching Oprah but it seems like I
> should be using another device if that is the case. Or I could connect
> it to a motor.
>
> fyi check this out:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

Those are great conversion charts! thank you.

As a matter of curiosity, here is a motorized commercial poppyseed
grinder, the sort that I used to see in stores.

http://www.mahlkonig.com/index.html?...es/op-em43.htm

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On 26 Jul 2005 09:52:07 +0200, Wayne Boatwright
> connected the dots and wrote:

~On Tue 26 Jul 2005 12:38:44a, Monsur Fromage du Pollet wrote in
~rec.food.cooking:
~
~> Wayne Boatwright wrote on 26 Jul 2005 in rec.food.cooking
~>
~>> I have no idea how much it produces per minute. It does take a
~>> while to grind a pound or two, but I feel it's worth it. I don't
~>> know how much 1000g is.
~>>
~>>
~>
~> 2.2 lbs it is 1 kilogram
~> Poppy Seeds are hard to do...takes a special mill because of their
~> small size. A regular grain mill won't do the job...Neither will a
~> coffee grinder or food processor.
~> Better flavour is achieved when they're only crushed not actually
~> ground. There all my knowledge of poppyseeds.
~>
~
~True, Alan. The manual mill in the first picture is just like mine
and it
~does a perfect job of it. I'm very skeptical of the electric mill in
the
~second picture.

Will the poppyseed grinder also grind herbs and spices? Things like
cinnamon sticks, allspice, or star anise?

Are the innards similar to a meat grinder, with a spiral screw or does
it use some other mechanism for crushing the seeds?

So many recipes call for crushing the seeds, and I've been told "it
makes no difference whole or ground", but would I be here if I wasn't
curious? <g>

TIA
maxine in ri

On Tue 26 Jul 2005 01:34:23p, maxine in ri wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 26 Jul 2005 09:52:07 +0200, Wayne Boatwright
> > connected the dots and wrote:
>
> ~On Tue 26 Jul 2005 12:38:44a, Monsur Fromage du Pollet wrote in
> ~rec.food.cooking:
> ~
> ~> Wayne Boatwright wrote on 26 Jul 2005 in rec.food.cooking
> ~>
> ~>> I have no idea how much it produces per minute. It does take a
> ~>> while to grind a pound or two, but I feel it's worth it. I don't
> ~>> know how much 1000g is.
> ~>>
> ~>>
> ~>
> ~> 2.2 lbs it is 1 kilogram
> ~> Poppy Seeds are hard to do...takes a special mill because of their
> ~> small size. A regular grain mill won't do the job...Neither will a
> ~> coffee grinder or food processor.
> ~> Better flavour is achieved when they're only crushed not actually
> ~> ground. There all my knowledge of poppyseeds.
> ~>
> ~
> ~True, Alan. The manual mill in the first picture is just like mine
> and it
> ~does a perfect job of it. I'm very skeptical of the electric mill in
> the
> ~second picture.
>
> Will the poppyseed grinder also grind herbs and spices? Things like
> cinnamon sticks, allspice, or star anise?

It might be possible to grind some other things in it, but they would need
to be very tiny. Think about the size of poppy seeds. The spiral screw is
somewhat conical in shape and has a rather flat surface instead of the deep
spiral you might expect in a meat grinder. The flatness could only
accomodate something. The items you mention would definitely not go
through the mill.

From a supplier: "This small, efficient hand-operated mill is ideal for
poppy seeds, linseeds, flax, sesame seeds and any small dry or oily
grains."

If you look at the photo, you'll notice that unlike a meat grinder, it does
not have a plate with holes. The edges of the exit opening and that of the
"screw" are ridged and the seeds are abraded and crushed as they exit.

http://www.natural-living.com/me560.php

> Are the innards similar to a meat grinder, with a spiral screw or does
> it use some other mechanism for crushing the seeds?

See above.

> So many recipes call for crushing the seeds, and I've been told "it
> makes no difference whole or ground", but would I be here if I wasn't
> curious? <g>

Personally, Maxine, I find a huge difference between whole and ground poppy
seed in most of the recipes I use. The texture of ground poppyseed is very
"un-seed" like. It's more like a fluffy coarse flour. I use the ground
seed in fillings for poppyseed rolls and other pastries. The ground seed
is usually mixed with milk and sugar, and cooked to form a sort of paste.
If you haven't seen it, you can get a pretty good representation from Solo
brand poppyseed filling. It comes in a small can.

Whole poppyseed I usually use as a garnish or for sprinkling on certain
breads before baking.

HTH

> TIA
> maxine in ri
>



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On 2005-07-26, Monsur Fromage du Pollet > wrote:

> small size. A regular grain mill won't do the job...Neither will a
> coffee grinder or food processor.

Depends on the coffee grinder. A Turkish coffee grinder will grind
right down to the consistency of flour.

nb