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JLove98905 14-12-2004 01:21 AM

vacuum food sealer question
 
are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters) interchangeable? I got
a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but nobody around here seems to sell
that model, so there are no accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of bag or
canister? It seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so it
ought to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.

Thanks,
Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright



Dave Smith 14-12-2004 01:49 AM

JLove98905 wrote:

> are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters) interchangeable? I got
> a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but nobody around here seems to sell
> that model, so there are no accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of bag or
> canister? It seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so it
> ought to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.
>


I was shopping for a vacuum sealer today. I'd sure be interested in a inexpensive
source of bag for them. The units themselves weren't too bad, but the price of the
refills is outrageous. The rolls worked out to about a dollar per foot of material,
which got me thinking how much I would have to save by buying bargain packs of
meats and still come out ahead.


JLove98905 14-12-2004 02:19 AM

>I was shopping for a vacuum sealer today.


Dave,
If you can find a Black and Decker FreshGuard, it was markedly less expensive
than the others. It has a hose port and was only about $50 - the other
equivalents were at least $100. I hope that doesn't mean this model is cheaply
made and shabby. It works so far...but it requires that you sit and hold the
bar down until it finishes, while I noticed that some of the others have a
press and release feature. Hopefully the accessories are interchangeable!

-j

Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright



JLove98905 14-12-2004 02:19 AM

>I was shopping for a vacuum sealer today.


Dave,
If you can find a Black and Decker FreshGuard, it was markedly less expensive
than the others. It has a hose port and was only about $50 - the other
equivalents were at least $100. I hope that doesn't mean this model is cheaply
made and shabby. It works so far...but it requires that you sit and hold the
bar down until it finishes, while I noticed that some of the others have a
press and release feature. Hopefully the accessories are interchangeable!

-j

Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright



Dave Smith 14-12-2004 03:49 AM

JLove98905 wrote:

> >I was shopping for a vacuum sealer today.

>
> Dave,
> If you can find a Black and Decker FreshGuard, it was markedly less expensive
> than the others. It has a hose port and was only about $50 - the other
> equivalents were at least $100. I hope that doesn't mean this model is cheaply
> made and shabby. It works so far...but it requires that you sit and hold the
> bar down until it finishes, while I noticed that some of the others have a
> press and release feature. Hopefully the accessories are interchangeable!


Thanks for the information. Truth of the matter is that my mother is giving my
wife money to buy me something for Christmas because she cannot get out to shop.
After the suggestions in the thread about a bachelor start up I was convinced that
a vacuum food sealer might be a good idea, especially for my smoked salmon. I saw
the B&D, and you're right, it is a lot cheaper. It was $59.95. There were other
modes for $79.95, $99.95 and $126.95. However, someone had also mentioned that
the plastic bag rolls were pricey. So I checked them out. I got the impression
that the sealer units were like computer printers, sold cheap so they can get you
on the refills. I was astounded at the price of the refill rolls. Between the cost
of the unit and the cost of the refills, I am wondering if there will be any
savings at all.

Unfortunately, the only place I even saw the vacuum sealers was at Walmart. I
would have asked on of the "associates" for some more information, but .... it was
Walmart. :-) Back to the drawing board.


Dave Smith 14-12-2004 03:49 AM

JLove98905 wrote:

> >I was shopping for a vacuum sealer today.

>
> Dave,
> If you can find a Black and Decker FreshGuard, it was markedly less expensive
> than the others. It has a hose port and was only about $50 - the other
> equivalents were at least $100. I hope that doesn't mean this model is cheaply
> made and shabby. It works so far...but it requires that you sit and hold the
> bar down until it finishes, while I noticed that some of the others have a
> press and release feature. Hopefully the accessories are interchangeable!


Thanks for the information. Truth of the matter is that my mother is giving my
wife money to buy me something for Christmas because she cannot get out to shop.
After the suggestions in the thread about a bachelor start up I was convinced that
a vacuum food sealer might be a good idea, especially for my smoked salmon. I saw
the B&D, and you're right, it is a lot cheaper. It was $59.95. There were other
modes for $79.95, $99.95 and $126.95. However, someone had also mentioned that
the plastic bag rolls were pricey. So I checked them out. I got the impression
that the sealer units were like computer printers, sold cheap so they can get you
on the refills. I was astounded at the price of the refill rolls. Between the cost
of the unit and the cost of the refills, I am wondering if there will be any
savings at all.

Unfortunately, the only place I even saw the vacuum sealers was at Walmart. I
would have asked on of the "associates" for some more information, but .... it was
Walmart. :-) Back to the drawing board.


Edwin Pawlowski 14-12-2004 04:49 AM


"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> The rolls worked out to about a dollar per foot of material,
> which got me thinking how much I would have to save by buying bargain
> packs of
> meats and still come out ahead.
>


Buck a foot seems high, but they are not cheap. You can easily re-use them
though. I cut the bags a few inches longer than would be needed. When cut
open, you lose about an inch so you can use them for something smaller when
they get too short for a roast.

Wash them out with regular liquid soap, rinse, put then over a bottle to
dry. Or put them in the dishwasher turned inside out.



Edwin Pawlowski 14-12-2004 04:49 AM


"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> The rolls worked out to about a dollar per foot of material,
> which got me thinking how much I would have to save by buying bargain
> packs of
> meats and still come out ahead.
>


Buck a foot seems high, but they are not cheap. You can easily re-use them
though. I cut the bags a few inches longer than would be needed. When cut
open, you lose about an inch so you can use them for something smaller when
they get too short for a roast.

Wash them out with regular liquid soap, rinse, put then over a bottle to
dry. Or put them in the dishwasher turned inside out.



jmcquown 14-12-2004 11:26 AM

JLove98905 wrote:
> are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters)
> interchangeable? I got a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but
> nobody around here seems to sell that model, so there are no
> accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of bag or canister? It
> seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so it ought
> to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.
>
> Thanks,
> Jen
> Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright


I don't know if they are interchangeable. I checked eBay for you but I
don't see any bags for the Black & Decker model listed. Lots of other types
though.

Jill



jmcquown 14-12-2004 11:26 AM

JLove98905 wrote:
> are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters)
> interchangeable? I got a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but
> nobody around here seems to sell that model, so there are no
> accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of bag or canister? It
> seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so it ought
> to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.
>
> Thanks,
> Jen
> Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright


I don't know if they are interchangeable. I checked eBay for you but I
don't see any bags for the Black & Decker model listed. Lots of other types
though.

Jill



Cubanpole 14-12-2004 12:06 PM

jmcquown wrote:
> JLove98905 wrote:
>
>>are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters)
>>interchangeable? I got a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but
>>nobody around here seems to sell that model, so there are no
>>accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of bag or canister? It
>>seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so it ought
>>to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jen
>>Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright

>
>
> I don't know if they are interchangeable. I checked eBay for you but I
> don't see any bags for the Black & Decker model listed. Lots of other types
> though.
>
> Jill
>
>

Folks,

I don't know if Tilia bags will work with Black and Decker products.
But.......Tilia bags are more expensive than Black and Decker. I am
able to use both Tilia and Black and Decker bags with my Tilia Food
Saver. Though I don't know where you folks live, I've been able to find
the bags for both brands in Walmart.


Cubanpole 14-12-2004 12:06 PM

jmcquown wrote:
> JLove98905 wrote:
>
>>are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters)
>>interchangeable? I got a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but
>>nobody around here seems to sell that model, so there are no
>>accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of bag or canister? It
>>seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so it ought
>>to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jen
>>Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright

>
>
> I don't know if they are interchangeable. I checked eBay for you but I
> don't see any bags for the Black & Decker model listed. Lots of other types
> though.
>
> Jill
>
>

Folks,

I don't know if Tilia bags will work with Black and Decker products.
But.......Tilia bags are more expensive than Black and Decker. I am
able to use both Tilia and Black and Decker bags with my Tilia Food
Saver. Though I don't know where you folks live, I've been able to find
the bags for both brands in Walmart.


me 14-12-2004 12:40 PM

This may be a stupid question and if so, I apologize in advance.
I don't have a food sealer, but I've seen them on tv, I guess like most
people.
Anyway, they show that you can seal other bags as well as their own. They've
showed it sealing a potato chip bag for instance..
What I'm wondering is.. can't you use just any kind of baggie, and will it
seal?
For instance.. why couldn't you take a regular ziplock baggie, and cut off
the zipper part, put your food in it, and then seal it with the machine..
would that work?
lucy

"Cubanpole" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> JLove98905 wrote:
>>
>>>are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters)
>>>interchangeable? I got a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but
>>>nobody around here seems to sell that model, so there are no
>>>accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of bag or canister? It
>>>seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so it ought
>>>to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Jen
>>>Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright

>>
>>
>> I don't know if they are interchangeable. I checked eBay for you but I
>> don't see any bags for the Black & Decker model listed. Lots of other
>> types
>> though.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>>

> Folks,
>
> I don't know if Tilia bags will work with Black and Decker products.
> But.......Tilia bags are more expensive than Black and Decker. I am able
> to use both Tilia and Black and Decker bags with my Tilia Food Saver.
> Though I don't know where you folks live, I've been able to find the bags
> for both brands in Walmart.
>




me 14-12-2004 12:40 PM

This may be a stupid question and if so, I apologize in advance.
I don't have a food sealer, but I've seen them on tv, I guess like most
people.
Anyway, they show that you can seal other bags as well as their own. They've
showed it sealing a potato chip bag for instance..
What I'm wondering is.. can't you use just any kind of baggie, and will it
seal?
For instance.. why couldn't you take a regular ziplock baggie, and cut off
the zipper part, put your food in it, and then seal it with the machine..
would that work?
lucy

"Cubanpole" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> JLove98905 wrote:
>>
>>>are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters)
>>>interchangeable? I got a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but
>>>nobody around here seems to sell that model, so there are no
>>>accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of bag or canister? It
>>>seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so it ought
>>>to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Jen
>>>Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright

>>
>>
>> I don't know if they are interchangeable. I checked eBay for you but I
>> don't see any bags for the Black & Decker model listed. Lots of other
>> types
>> though.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>>

> Folks,
>
> I don't know if Tilia bags will work with Black and Decker products.
> But.......Tilia bags are more expensive than Black and Decker. I am able
> to use both Tilia and Black and Decker bags with my Tilia Food Saver.
> Though I don't know where you folks live, I've been able to find the bags
> for both brands in Walmart.
>




Peter Aitken 14-12-2004 01:27 PM

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> JLove98905 wrote:
>
> > are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters)

interchangeable? I got
> > a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but nobody around here seems to

sell
> > that model, so there are no accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of

bag or
> > canister? It seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so

it
> > ought to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.
> >

>
> I was shopping for a vacuum sealer today. I'd sure be interested in a

inexpensive
> source of bag for them. The units themselves weren't too bad, but the

price of the
> refills is outrageous. The rolls worked out to about a dollar per foot of

material,
> which got me thinking how much I would have to save by buying bargain

packs of
> meats and still come out ahead.
>


Sounds like the same scan that inkjet printer manufacturers use - sell the
printer cheap and make the $$ on the ink cartridges.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.



Peter Aitken 14-12-2004 01:27 PM

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> JLove98905 wrote:
>
> > are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters)

interchangeable? I got
> > a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but nobody around here seems to

sell
> > that model, so there are no accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of

bag or
> > canister? It seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so

it
> > ought to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.
> >

>
> I was shopping for a vacuum sealer today. I'd sure be interested in a

inexpensive
> source of bag for them. The units themselves weren't too bad, but the

price of the
> refills is outrageous. The rolls worked out to about a dollar per foot of

material,
> which got me thinking how much I would have to save by buying bargain

packs of
> meats and still come out ahead.
>


Sounds like the same scan that inkjet printer manufacturers use - sell the
printer cheap and make the $$ on the ink cartridges.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.



The Cook 14-12-2004 03:02 PM

"Peter Aitken" > wrote:

>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>> JLove98905 wrote:
>>
>> > are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters)

>interchangeable? I got
>> > a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but nobody around here seems to

>sell
>> > that model, so there are no accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of

>bag or
>> > canister? It seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so

>it
>> > ought to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.
>> >

>>
>> I was shopping for a vacuum sealer today. I'd sure be interested in a

>inexpensive
>> source of bag for them. The units themselves weren't too bad, but the

>price of the
>> refills is outrageous. The rolls worked out to about a dollar per foot of

>material,
>> which got me thinking how much I would have to save by buying bargain

>packs of
>> meats and still come out ahead.
>>

>
>Sounds like the same scan that inkjet printer manufacturers use - sell the
>printer cheap and make the $$ on the ink cartridges.



It's not new. They learned it from Gillette and Polaroid, to name
two. I am sure there are others that have been around even longer.

--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral, 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

The Cook 14-12-2004 03:02 PM

"Peter Aitken" > wrote:

>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>> JLove98905 wrote:
>>
>> > are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters)

>interchangeable? I got
>> > a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but nobody around here seems to

>sell
>> > that model, so there are no accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of

>bag or
>> > canister? It seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so

>it
>> > ought to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.
>> >

>>
>> I was shopping for a vacuum sealer today. I'd sure be interested in a

>inexpensive
>> source of bag for them. The units themselves weren't too bad, but the

>price of the
>> refills is outrageous. The rolls worked out to about a dollar per foot of

>material,
>> which got me thinking how much I would have to save by buying bargain

>packs of
>> meats and still come out ahead.
>>

>
>Sounds like the same scan that inkjet printer manufacturers use - sell the
>printer cheap and make the $$ on the ink cartridges.



It's not new. They learned it from Gillette and Polaroid, to name
two. I am sure there are others that have been around even longer.

--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral, 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

Chris De Young 14-12-2004 05:25 PM

While we're on the topic if the vacuum sealers -- just how much better do
they really work, anyway? Is it really worth it, compared to say ziplock
freezer bacgs, or is it an extra $1/bag (maybe not quite) for a 15% gain?

I'm toying with the idea of getting one, but I'm not convined they're going
to be *that* much better.

Experiences?

Thanks!

Chris De Young 14-12-2004 05:25 PM

While we're on the topic if the vacuum sealers -- just how much better do
they really work, anyway? Is it really worth it, compared to say ziplock
freezer bacgs, or is it an extra $1/bag (maybe not quite) for a 15% gain?

I'm toying with the idea of getting one, but I'm not convined they're going
to be *that* much better.

Experiences?

Thanks!

Tom Scott 14-12-2004 05:30 PM


"JLove98905" > wrote in message
...
are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters) interchangeable? I
got
a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but nobody around here seems to
sell
that model, so there are no accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of bag
or
canister? It seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so it
ought to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.

Thanks,
Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright



My first sealer was a Tilia and the one I now own is a B&D. Although they
say you can use "most bags from other manufacturers", I found the
gallon-sized Tilia bags were ~ 1/2 inch WIDER and not easily useable.

Comparing the 2 machines, my overall vote would go to the Tilia; it was
faster and the bags seemed to stay sealed better. My B&D has problems with
the larger bags of their own. They just don't seal as well.

Beware you don't suck much {try not to get ANY} liquid down the vacuum port.
That is what virtually killed my Tilia and they wanted $50 just to look at
it. That is why I bought the B&D.

I use it a lot.

Best,

Tom




Tom Scott 14-12-2004 05:30 PM


"JLove98905" > wrote in message
...
are the various brand-name accessories (bags, canisters) interchangeable? I
got
a Black and Decker FreshGuard as a gift, but nobody around here seems to
sell
that model, so there are no accessories anywhere. Can I buy any brand of bag
or
canister? It seems like they all have the same inner workings/design, so it
ought to work - but I figured I should check in with the experts first.

Thanks,
Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright



My first sealer was a Tilia and the one I now own is a B&D. Although they
say you can use "most bags from other manufacturers", I found the
gallon-sized Tilia bags were ~ 1/2 inch WIDER and not easily useable.

Comparing the 2 machines, my overall vote would go to the Tilia; it was
faster and the bags seemed to stay sealed better. My B&D has problems with
the larger bags of their own. They just don't seal as well.

Beware you don't suck much {try not to get ANY} liquid down the vacuum port.
That is what virtually killed my Tilia and they wanted $50 just to look at
it. That is why I bought the B&D.

I use it a lot.

Best,

Tom




Steve Calvin 14-12-2004 06:09 PM

Chris De Young wrote:
> While we're on the topic if the vacuum sealers -- just how much better
> do they really work, anyway? Is it really worth it, compared to say
> ziplock freezer bacgs, or is it an extra $1/bag (maybe not quite) for a
> 15% gain?
>
> I'm toying with the idea of getting one, but I'm not convined they're
> going to be *that* much better.
>
> Experiences?
>
> Thanks!


They are. Ziplocks and their cousins are somewhat porous and will let
air into the bag over time. I can only speak for the Tilia sealer and
will tell ya that they don't. I've not thrown one thing out since I
bought it due to freezer burn. If it ever dies I'll buy another Tilia
in a heartbeat. Yes, the bags are somewhat costly but as another poster
said, if you cut them larger than you really need you can reuse them
after washing. They can go from freezer to microwave or into boiling
water to reheat leftovers as well. To wash 'em I turn them inside out
and into the dishwasher.

--
Steve

Every job is a self-portrait of the person who did it.
Autograph your work with excellence.



Steve Calvin 14-12-2004 06:09 PM

Chris De Young wrote:
> While we're on the topic if the vacuum sealers -- just how much better
> do they really work, anyway? Is it really worth it, compared to say
> ziplock freezer bacgs, or is it an extra $1/bag (maybe not quite) for a
> 15% gain?
>
> I'm toying with the idea of getting one, but I'm not convined they're
> going to be *that* much better.
>
> Experiences?
>
> Thanks!


They are. Ziplocks and their cousins are somewhat porous and will let
air into the bag over time. I can only speak for the Tilia sealer and
will tell ya that they don't. I've not thrown one thing out since I
bought it due to freezer burn. If it ever dies I'll buy another Tilia
in a heartbeat. Yes, the bags are somewhat costly but as another poster
said, if you cut them larger than you really need you can reuse them
after washing. They can go from freezer to microwave or into boiling
water to reheat leftovers as well. To wash 'em I turn them inside out
and into the dishwasher.

--
Steve

Every job is a self-portrait of the person who did it.
Autograph your work with excellence.



axlq 14-12-2004 06:39 PM

In article > ,
me > wrote:
>For instance.. why couldn't you take a regular ziplock baggie, and
>cut off the zipper part, put your food in it, and then seal it with
>the machine.. would that work?


Not very well. The ziplocks are smooth. The Tilia bags are
manufactured with microscopic ridges that don't compress, and
serve as air channels to allow the vacuum pump to suck out all the
air from the entire volume. You can still get trapped air with a
ziplock.

What I'd like to know is, how much vacuum can it pull? If it pulls
29 inches Hg or more, I'd buy it for rescuing wine that had gone
into second fermentation (fizzy red wine is awful, but if you can
remove the fizz, it often gets restored to better than original).

-A

Vox Humana 14-12-2004 06:41 PM


"me" > wrote in message
. com...
> This may be a stupid question and if so, I apologize in advance.
> I don't have a food sealer, but I've seen them on tv, I guess like most
> people.
> Anyway, they show that you can seal other bags as well as their own.

They've
> showed it sealing a potato chip bag for instance..
> What I'm wondering is.. can't you use just any kind of baggie, and will it
> seal?
> For instance.. why couldn't you take a regular ziplock baggie, and cut off
> the zipper part, put your food in it, and then seal it with the machine..
> would that work?
> lucy


They will seal most bags because the sealer is just a wire that gets hot and
melts the bag closed. However, they won't evacuate standard bags. The part
near the vacuum port tends to collapse leaving a big air pocket in the rest
of the bag. That isn't an issue with something like potato chips that will
be used in a short time, but it is a problem for things going into long-term
storage. Also, you have to be careful with flimsy bags because the sealing
cycle is intended for the thicker bags.



Vox Humana 14-12-2004 06:41 PM


"me" > wrote in message
. com...
> This may be a stupid question and if so, I apologize in advance.
> I don't have a food sealer, but I've seen them on tv, I guess like most
> people.
> Anyway, they show that you can seal other bags as well as their own.

They've
> showed it sealing a potato chip bag for instance..
> What I'm wondering is.. can't you use just any kind of baggie, and will it
> seal?
> For instance.. why couldn't you take a regular ziplock baggie, and cut off
> the zipper part, put your food in it, and then seal it with the machine..
> would that work?
> lucy


They will seal most bags because the sealer is just a wire that gets hot and
melts the bag closed. However, they won't evacuate standard bags. The part
near the vacuum port tends to collapse leaving a big air pocket in the rest
of the bag. That isn't an issue with something like potato chips that will
be used in a short time, but it is a problem for things going into long-term
storage. Also, you have to be careful with flimsy bags because the sealing
cycle is intended for the thicker bags.



notbob 14-12-2004 06:56 PM

On 2004-12-14, Peter Aitken > wrote:

> Sounds like the same scan that inkjet printer manufacturers use - sell the
> printer cheap and make the $$ on the ink cartridges.


....which is why I dumped my Epson for a laser printer.

If you have costco or know someone who does, you can get tilia bags about
half the going price.

nb

notbob 14-12-2004 06:56 PM

On 2004-12-14, Peter Aitken > wrote:

> Sounds like the same scan that inkjet printer manufacturers use - sell the
> printer cheap and make the $$ on the ink cartridges.


....which is why I dumped my Epson for a laser printer.

If you have costco or know someone who does, you can get tilia bags about
half the going price.

nb

Dave Smith 14-12-2004 07:08 PM

notbob wrote:

> If you have costco or know someone who does, you can get tilia bags about
> half the going price.


To to digress too far from the thread, but can Costco be counted on to carry
anything?. I was under the impression that they managed to get batch lots cheap,
but not consistently, sort of like those dollar stores that get liquidation
deals. They can offer some real deals, usually one shot deals.



Dave Smith 14-12-2004 07:08 PM

notbob wrote:

> If you have costco or know someone who does, you can get tilia bags about
> half the going price.


To to digress too far from the thread, but can Costco be counted on to carry
anything?. I was under the impression that they managed to get batch lots cheap,
but not consistently, sort of like those dollar stores that get liquidation
deals. They can offer some real deals, usually one shot deals.



me 14-12-2004 09:49 PM


"Vox Humana" > wrote in message
...
>
> "me" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> This may be a stupid question and if so, I apologize in advance.
>> I don't have a food sealer, but I've seen them on tv, I guess like most
>> people.
>> Anyway, they show that you can seal other bags as well as their own.

> They've
>> showed it sealing a potato chip bag for instance..
>> What I'm wondering is.. can't you use just any kind of baggie, and will
>> it
>> seal?
>> For instance.. why couldn't you take a regular ziplock baggie, and cut
>> off
>> the zipper part, put your food in it, and then seal it with the machine..
>> would that work?
>> lucy

>
> They will seal most bags because the sealer is just a wire that gets hot
> and
> melts the bag closed. However, they won't evacuate standard bags. The
> part
> near the vacuum port tends to collapse leaving a big air pocket in the
> rest
> of the bag. That isn't an issue with something like potato chips that
> will
> be used in a short time, but it is a problem for things going into
> long-term
> storage. Also, you have to be careful with flimsy bags because the
> sealing
> cycle is intended for the thicker bags.

Vox, that makes sense.. thanks

>




notbob 15-12-2004 01:14 AM

On 2004-12-14, Dave Smith > wrote:

> To to digress too far from the thread, but can Costco be counted on to carry
> anything?. I was under the impression that they managed to get batch lots cheap,
> but not consistently, sort of like those dollar stores that get liquidation
> deals. They can offer some real deals, usually one shot deals.


I made sure extra bags were available year round before I bought the unit.
I went through the initial supply rather quickly vacuum bagging Alaskan
salmon when it went on sale for an insanely low price. I bought the extra
bags and they look like they should last me for at least a couple years.

nb

Dave Smith 15-12-2004 03:46 AM

notbob wrote:

>
>
> I made sure extra bags were available year round before I bought the unit.
> I went through the initial supply rather quickly vacuum bagging Alaskan
> salmon when it went on sale for an insanely low price. I bought the extra
> bags and they look like they should last me for at least a couple years.


After much consideration.... I went for it. My mother gave my wife some money to get a
Christmas present for me, so I pointed out the Talia model I was interested in. I had
the courtesy to leave the store will be took it to the cashier so that I wouldn't
spoil my surprise :-)



Dave Smith 15-12-2004 03:46 AM

notbob wrote:

>
>
> I made sure extra bags were available year round before I bought the unit.
> I went through the initial supply rather quickly vacuum bagging Alaskan
> salmon when it went on sale for an insanely low price. I bought the extra
> bags and they look like they should last me for at least a couple years.


After much consideration.... I went for it. My mother gave my wife some money to get a
Christmas present for me, so I pointed out the Talia model I was interested in. I had
the courtesy to leave the store will be took it to the cashier so that I wouldn't
spoil my surprise :-)



Edwin Pawlowski 15-12-2004 03:48 AM


"me" > wrote in message
. com...
> This may be a stupid question and if so, I apologize in advance.
> I don't have a food sealer, but I've seen them on tv, I guess like most
> people.
> Anyway, they show that you can seal other bags as well as their own.
> They've showed it sealing a potato chip bag for instance..
> What I'm wondering is.. can't you use just any kind of baggie, and will it
> seal?


Seal, yes. Vacuum, no. The Tilia needs the channels for the air to be
sucked out and after it does, the seal is made.



Edwin Pawlowski 15-12-2004 03:53 AM


"Chris De Young" > wrote in message
> I'm toying with the idea of getting one, but I'm not convined they're
> going to be *that* much better.
>
> Experiences?
>
> Thanks!


Compared to using regular bags, the vac sealed holds things fresh about 3 to
4 times longer. Oxygen damages food and causes spoilage. Remove it and
oxidation stops.

Compare a hunk of cheese from the store that has a freshness date of many
months compared to the piece you just put in the sandwich bag. Freezer burn
is a thing of the past.

The big savings comes from buying larger quantities and keeping it longer.
I've had meat in the freezer over two years and it was as good as the day it
was frozen.
Ed



Edwin Pawlowski 15-12-2004 03:53 AM


"Chris De Young" > wrote in message
> I'm toying with the idea of getting one, but I'm not convined they're
> going to be *that* much better.
>
> Experiences?
>
> Thanks!


Compared to using regular bags, the vac sealed holds things fresh about 3 to
4 times longer. Oxygen damages food and causes spoilage. Remove it and
oxidation stops.

Compare a hunk of cheese from the store that has a freshness date of many
months compared to the piece you just put in the sandwich bag. Freezer burn
is a thing of the past.

The big savings comes from buying larger quantities and keeping it longer.
I've had meat in the freezer over two years and it was as good as the day it
was frozen.
Ed



Ariane Jenkins 15-12-2004 05:44 AM

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:08:33 -0500,
Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> To to digress too far from the thread, but can Costco be counted on to carry
> anything?. I was under the impression that they managed to get batch lots cheap,
> but not consistently, sort of like those dollar stores that get liquidation
> deals. They can offer some real deals, usually one shot deals.


Nah, Costco isn't a closeout store, it's a warehouse club
store, similar to Sam's Club. There are some items they'll only offer
seasonally, usually located in the center of the store. But they do
carry quite a few items regularly. I think the Tilia bags are
included, but since I don't have one, I haven't shopped for them at
Costco.

Ariane


Ariane Jenkins 15-12-2004 05:44 AM

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:08:33 -0500,
Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> To to digress too far from the thread, but can Costco be counted on to carry
> anything?. I was under the impression that they managed to get batch lots cheap,
> but not consistently, sort of like those dollar stores that get liquidation
> deals. They can offer some real deals, usually one shot deals.


Nah, Costco isn't a closeout store, it's a warehouse club
store, similar to Sam's Club. There are some items they'll only offer
seasonally, usually located in the center of the store. But they do
carry quite a few items regularly. I think the Tilia bags are
included, but since I don't have one, I haven't shopped for them at
Costco.

Ariane



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